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Faron-SRD Deck stain Q

Posted by vinudev_liny (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 14, 12 at 21:21

Hi Faron, I came across your many posts recommending the Sikkens SRD deck stain-I am going to try that on our deck this weekend. I have a question though-is the Cetol SRD Semi Transparent and Translucent the same formulation? I couldn't find the Semi-transparent at our local HD. The Sikkens website says they are both non film forming but will the translucent penetrate instead of sitting on the surface? I am not sure I understand what the difference is other than the opacity-I am ok with it being somewhat opaque as the wood is very old PT that I don't mind covering up.
Just as an FYI, this is probably a 20yr old covered deck mostly in good shape-we put TWP after cleaning the RAD system on it about three yrs back but the sun exposed parts didn't hold stain for too long and parts of the deck became blotchy. I am hoping sanding and staining with SRD will give me better results.
TIA
Vinaya


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RE: Faron-SRD Deck stain Q

Hello VL!

Now that Sikkens is in Home-Depot, this all gets kinda confusing...!
As a "Long-time" INDEPENDANT Sikkens dealer, we just rolled our eyes when we found that out!! Now we may have to be putting-up with people possibly getting bad advice from the HD, and maybe souring them on the stuff!

I was curious if Sikkens had changed any tintbase/series #'s for the HD-channel! Sure enough, they have different base-#'s for the regular PRE-TINTED "Wood-tone" SRD colors...and another series-# for the tintable SRD.

* I was looking thru 4 TDS's when I noticed that!
* The independent-dealer channel is the "Fine Retailers" link on their site.
* That link shows the cans that the independents have, the silver/green look.

Bottom-line....
>>>> ALL the SRD's are Semi-trans., meaning you can see most of the wood-grain.
* They're ALL penetrating stains, meaning they aren't meant to form a film, OR have 2 coats applied.
* If someone HAS to apply 2 coats, wipe off whatever doesn't penetrate after ~ 5 min.!!!!

Sun-wear....
* Uneven exposure to the sun will affect any type of stain.
* The shaded part of a surface will ALWAYS stay a more even color. Exposed areas will get blasted by the sun and fade faster.
* As all their TDS's state, SANDING is the preferred prep., and that ALL previous coating MUST be removed. Note their grit recommendations for decks!!
* Just because of the AGE of your deck ALONE....sand it thoroughly!

Hope this helped you & others here?!

Faron


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RE: Faron-SRD Deck stain Q

Thanks a ton, Faron! That helps a lot. Glad to hear it is not film forming and is penetrating.
I hope one coat will suffice on the bare wood but will make sure the second coat does not sit. How does one know if another coat is needed? water not beading on top?
Any tips on how to sand the spindles quickly? I am going to be renting the floor sander from HD but I guess the spindles are going to be where the elbow grease is required.
I hear you about HD-I wouldn't have gone that route but the independent dealer who had SRD was a little farther away and didn't have the best hrs. I hope the HD formulation is not cheaped out.
Thank you!


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RE: Faron-SRD Deck stain Q

Hi Faron, perhaps you can help clarify...
Based on its great reviews we purchased some Sikkens Cetol SRD Semi-transparent stain from Home Depot. The instructions on the can state that all previous coatings must be removed prior to application of the Cetol SRD. On the Sikkens website the application instructions for Cetol SRD sold by "Fine Retailers" states that stain can be reapplied when it looks like it needs it. Also, the HD stain's primary ingredient is water, while the "F-R" product is mostly linseed oil. These two products have exactly the SAME NAME!. What gives?

We need to re-stain the cedar siding on our cabin. The stain on the W and S sides is extremely thin and worn, but the N and E sides are in very good shape. We don't want to have to remove good stuff if we can avoid it. Can you help?


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RE: Faron-SRD Deck stain Q

Hey SQ2!

Yeah....as I mentioned in my previous post, there's now 2 versions of SRD; the newer Waterborne (came out last year to the Independents), and the traditional Oil/Alkyd that's been around for some time.

Independents actually have TWO tintable SRD's...
The H20, and the "190-series" Oil-base.

Actually, I believe most of Sikkens instructions have always said..."all previous coatings must be removed...", ESPECIALLY when you don't know what the previous coating IS!!

We talk to various MN Lakes-area Cabin owners who've decided on using "Cob-blasting", or other envir.-friendly means of removing previous coatings. Seems like it's gaining popularity there....!

Once wood reaches a certain point of degradation/fading, it's usually better to either sand/strip/or media-blast off the older coatings....AND....the outer layer of the degraded wood itself.

The damaged wood will no longer be able to....
* ABSORB AND HOLD STAIN EVENLY IN ALL AREAS.
* This is the reason I stress a full sanding of deck-floors by the time 10yrs. have elapsed.
* I've sanded my 16y/o Redwood decks' floor TWICE.
* I've taken my STEPS (18 2x6's) off and sanded them THREE times....
* The only screws I use are full Stainless. They look the same today as they did 16yrs. ago....

Bottom-line:
* You'll probably be fine just cleaning and lightly recoating your N & E sides.
* The S & W will probably need the more lengthy prep!
(Sorry!...;-))

Faron


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RE: Faron-SRD Deck stain Q

I just applied Natural Cedar semi-transparent from HD to our cedar deck. Proper prepping in advance. Regrettably I didn't get approval on a test section. It is not the color everyone was hoping for. We would like to end up with a darker look (Honey Brown). What is involved in making that happen?


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