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How to Insulate my attic with foam?

Posted by chipster_2007 (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 5, 09 at 17:06

I would like to insulate my attic floor with tiger foam since it has a higher R factor than cellulose. There are large boards that cover the floor. Can anyone tell me how to do it or any websites that would be helpful in doing this. I hae questions about handling any electrical wiring and lighting fixtures with it. I am hoping to obtain the highest R value but I still have some concerns using foam re infstation, mold, what if it gets wet from a leak in the roof etc and if there are any other issues I need to think about? There is also "zero foam" I am considering. Any help gratefully appreciated.


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

I just posted on the paint forum inquiring about HY-Tech insulating paint. There is one they make for attics called Barrier Coating. I am thinking of painting on the bare wood before I then insulate the walls and drywall.


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

Form is NOT a good choice for an attic. Cellulose is better. If you want more R-value, add more cellulose. It's far cheaper and does just as good a job. For information on insulating an old house, check our the link.

Here is a link that might be useful: Insulating Your Old House


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

That is an excellent informative article, xoldtimecarpenter, thanks so much. I've always loved the articles at starcraft builders, they have great kitchen design advice as well.


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

Thanks xoldtimecarpenter for the great article. I live in the northeast and according to federal/building standards, i should have an R value of at least 30, pref highr. My situation is there is only about 5 inches of space below the attic floor to insulate and if I use cellulose, I will only get an R factor of 17, if my calcu is correct..still not high enough for the northeast which is why I was hoping for closed cell foam insul ( higher R value). Tearing up the floor boards (there are many) to add more space would be difficult. Do you have any more suggestions that would be helpful in increasing the R value? And BTW, thank you for a very informative link.


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

BE CAREFUL - there are some very hazardous chemicals in the two-part foam products, and they should be installed by properly trained and equipped contractors. i looked into doing my own foam insulation but decided not to after digging a bit into the MSDS sheets on the products. Most of the foams have diisocyanates, which can cause both acute and long-term breathing problems, even from one-time exposure (see page 2 of the MSDS at the link). They can make you sensitive to similar chemicals for the rest of your life. I'm not usually an alarmist, but the good MSDSs call for a respirator with a clean air supply, plus lots of ventilation, and keeping kids out of the space until it is fully cured.

Here is a link that might be useful: BASF MSDS for Isocyanates


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

go to www.buildingscience.com
look for unvented attics and information specific to your climate.

here in my hot humid climate we put open cell on the roof line.
open cell allows water that would enter thru a roof leak to pass through the foam insulation, whereas closed
cell doesn't.

insulating the roofline would be easier than trying to install foam in an area you can't see.
if roof pitch is more than 8/12...its going to be expensive.

best of luck.


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

Thanks Katdip for the info. I recently talked to a person who insulates homes with foam. He explained to me that we would have to vacate the home for a few hours while the work was done due to the fumes and odor of the product. He also said he would have to notify the fire house/dept when he would be doing the work due to the degree of out gasing that occurs it could look like there is a fire occuring!!!! That was more than enough for me. You are so right that exposure to these chemicals which are hazardous to ones health could lead to a more generalized sensitization to other chemicals as well and a life long battle in dealing with this disorder. I wonder how this can be allowed in the US with all its health hazards?


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

I have a different perspective to offer. A couple of years ago we had the underside of our roof insulated with closed cell foam insulation (soy based). I certainly would not attempt it as a DIY. We had a specialized contractor do the work. They used all the proper safety precautions. It was expensive.

We have a 1913 bungalow. The reason we used this product was that we had completely gutted our half story a year or two before and put on a new roof. The new roof had sheathing with 2 inches of foam backing adheared to it, for a cold deck, at our specific request. We live in a very cold, snowy climate and DH had broken his heel falling from our steep roof while shoveling several years back. We wanted a cold deck, so the entire roof will melt evenly, avoid ice dams and not need to be shoveled except when there is heavy wet snow and/or the snow weight becomes a concern. Anyway, when we continued with the work of finishing the half story for habitation (cathedral ceilings, no attic space), we were going to just insulate between the rafters with fiberglass when our building inspector told us we could not, because the roof did not have vents. Well, we were not going to re-do the already expensive roof, in order to get roof vents. So, spray foam was the answer.

While the raw product they apply has hazards, the finished cured product is inert. And, I will say, with the combined 2 inches of foam backed sheathing and the 7 or so inches of spray foam our roof now has about R52. That's great for our climate. Finally, the spray foam adds quite a bit of sound dampening and really has strong "adhesion" properties; it literally glued our rafters together. So, while it may not be a great solution for all homes, it has been a great solution for us.


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Kimkitchy,
I am so pleased to hear your report. We are in a very similar situation with our 1.5 story built-out 1922 bungalow and have decided to go with the foam for a complete cold deck. Like you our roof was rebuilt with no venting a few years before we purchased the house, and since it it finished and almost completely closed off, it would be very difficult to install air channels at this point.

We are having the kneewall and dormered roof spaces foamed and will re-evaluate what that brings us after one winter; in our cold Maine climate we are hoping for a great improvement in living comfort.


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circus, I bet you'll get the improvement you are seeking. Our home is heated by a ng forced air furnace downstairs, but the only heat source we have upstairs is a gas log fireplace (with thermostat). Last winter the upstairs was snug and comfortable almost all the time without even using the upstairs heat source. Good luck and let me know how it goes for you. :-)


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Thanks again, Kim. Well, they just foamed this morning, so I await the results eagerly when I turn the heat back on this evening. We also had the uninsulated basement walls foamed from the sills up.

Re. outgassing, etc., I'm sure it varies by formulation, but there was no smoke/residue/mist produced either in the process or afterwards that could remotely be mistaken for a fire. There was a slightly sweetish smell during the spraying. The guys did not even wear masks after it began to cure (which strikes me as a bit foolhardy) but they were quite professional otherwise. The cats and I were in an upstairs room with the door stuffed shut with a rag and windows open; but it was far less penetrative or irritating than polyurethane, to be honest.

Crossing fingers!


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

Circuspeanut, could you please indicate the name of the foam product that was used in your home. It is always helpful to know what does and does not work. Did you use open or closed cell foam? Let us know how it is helping your heating bill.


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RE: How to Insulate my attic with foam?

Of course. It's PERMAX closed cell foam, made by the Henry Company out of Canada. It's polyurethane, not icynene.

So far I can definitely tell a big difference in our basement (not surprisingly, since it was uninsulated before), and I can feel the difference upstairs, albeit not quite as big a difference as I had hoped. Of course, we were only able to foam portions of the old dormers and roof; if we ever wanted to open up the cathedral ceilings we could really cover everything. Must start saving up again; the stuff wasn't as expensive as I'd feared, but not cheap, either.

One thing I hadn't anticipated was the virtue of foam as a noise suppressant -- it's definitely quieter. Would be really good for retrofitting old structures like row or town houses.

Weird stuff - dries completely hard, like a styrofoam cup.

If anyone is in Maine, I'm also happy to give you my reference for a very professional, hard-working, honest foam installing company. I loved these guys. :)


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