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Feedback on historic infill folk Victorian house

Historic_Infill
10 years ago

I thought I would cross-post our plans to build a "new" old house here for the experts on old houses. To see the original GW thread under the Building a Home Forum go here:
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg072210567610.html?28

We are attempting to design a "new" folk Victorian that blends in with houses in our neighborhood that is on the National Register of Historic Places. We do not wish to create a reproduction-quality "new" old house (too expensive; hard to get it right), but the house should fit-in and contribute to the overall historic character of the neighborhood. Ultimately, our (revised) design will require approval from the local historic commission. The historic houses here range from the early 1880s (i.e., late Victorian) through the 1930s (i.e., Craftsman). There are no elaborately decorated homes common to earlier Victorian architecture (e.g., Second Empire, Stick-Eastlake, Italianate). Although there are a few Queen Anne homes, including two across the street from our lot, most homes would be best described as folk Victorian. Many houses were built during the transition period between late Victorian and early Craftsman, and thus tend to incorporate elements from both styles.

Although we certainly appreciate comments on the floor plans, we are posting to this site primarily for your thoughts on the exterior facade, which is still in the early phases of design. Any thoughts on appropriate siding and shingles, trim details, windows (size, spacing, fenestration), porch details, and/or garage details would be appreciated. Below I have included my original post from the Building a Home Forum, along with floor plans and our preliminary elevation drawings. Any and all comments are greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Historic Infill

Building a Home Forum post

A. About Us: We are in our late 30s with two kids, ages 6 and 3 (no plans for more kids). We live in a mid-sized town in the upper Midwest (short, cool summers and long, cold winters). We are busy with many outdoor family activities. We often entertain friends with kids of similar ages, and sometimes host work-related social events. We currently live in a 100-year-old American foursquare (1,750 sq. ft. above ground; partially finished basement) in the historic district that is walking distance to downtown entertainment and a protected river basin. We love the neighborhood and the character of the house, but as the kids get bigger we are outgrowing the space (only one full bath, no mud room, small entertaining space, limited storage space, no privacy for adults).
B. The Project: Last year we bought a nearby 80'6" x 140' vacant lot with the plan to build a larger, "new" old house (3,000 sq. ft. above ground; unfinished basement). Our block is on the National Register of Historic Places, which adds some restrictions on the scale and outside appearance of new construction (e.g., must be two story Victorian, wood/fiber cement clapboard siding, substantial front porch, detached garage at back of property, double-hung windows). There are no restrictions on the floor plan or materials used inside the house. We envision an exterior in the style of a modest folk Victorian with simple trim work that includes a variety of textures on exterior surfaces. On the interior, we prefer a more Arts & Crafts style with a heavy emphasis on earth tone colors, natural materials and visible high-quality craftsmanship. We do not care for completely open floor plans, nor do we like the completely divided rooms of our American Foursquare. We wish to have long sight lines to give the impression of a larger space, substantial open area for entertaining, but with some separation of rooms to reduce noise. We plan to live in the house for the next 25 years, and will likely downsize in retirement.

A year ago we generated house plans with the help of a draftsman (link to original GW post: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/build/msg121414223184.html). Based on feedback from GW, combined with our difficulties finding a GC willing to take on this unique project at a price we could afford, we decided to hire an architect and restart the design process. So far we are happy with our progress and are very glad we retained an architect for the project

C. House Orientation: The front of the house faces southwest. The best views are southwest (beautiful Queen Anne homes across the street), the south (my future vegetable garden) and the east (green space and mature trees at the back of the property).

D. Basement: The basement will be mostly unfinished for now, except for the mechanical/laundry room and possibly the bathroom. The remainder of the space will be used for storage and as a kids play room (floor hockey!), with the possibility of adding a family room later when the kids are teenagers and need more space. Two more bedrooms could be added by a future owner, but we are unlikely to need these.

E. 1st floor: With the detached garage at the back, we will almost always enter the house via the back door and therefore want nearby access to a bathroom and mud room (the latter is essential with lots of clothes for long, cold winters and sports equipment to be active outdoors).We want an open dining room/kitchen area for entertaining. We will likely eat breakfast and snacks at the kitchen island, with family dinners and larger gatherings in the dining room. Outside of meal time, the dining room will double as a quiet work space with pocket doors providing a sound barrier (e.g., kids crafts and homework, evening home office...we do this in our current home). The kitchen is designed for two cooks with a large walk-in pantry and access to the porch and greenhouse. In the family room, we will have a wood/pellet stove on the southeast wall, with the TV located in a cabinet on the northeast wall. The foyer (we almost never enter the front door) doubles as a library and will be separated from the family room by a half wall (built-in book shelves will be installed here and along the stair well). The framing will be reinforced in the foyer and in a second floor bedroom above to allow for the possible future addition of an elevator, should it be necessary. The covered front porch is mainly to sit and watch our kids play in the neighborhood, while the screened-in covered side porch will be used for summer meals and entertaining. There will be stained glass and/or leaded glass windows in a few locations on the first floor (e.g., foyer and stairwell) depending on budget. As an avid gardener, the greenhouse is near the top of my "wants" list (not the "needs" list), but this will also depend on the budget.

F. 2nd floor: We tried to minimize hallways. The kids will share a single bathroom. Most of the time the guest room will serve as a home office for the adults, although we frequently have relatives stay with us for 1-2 weeks at a time. The master bedroom and kids' bedrooms have windows on two walls to provide lots of light and cross-ventilation. There is a small "sleeping porch" off the master bedroom for morning coffee and quiet evenings (too small for actual sleeping).

H. Front and back elevation: We will use wood clapboard siding and the porches will be mostly of wood construction (to match nearby homes). The bottom 24 inches of exposed foundation will be covered in brick (common for area homes). Decorative trim will be added to the pediment over the front entrance (also common for area homes). We are considering adding an accent window on the front gable (e.g., palladian or oval) to add character and bring light into the attic. The gable end, siding and trim treatments are still a work in progress. We may add some exposed rafters and/or half-timbering. Any suggestions here from the GW architects would be appreciated.

I. Site plan: There is a 28' x 31'4" two car garage at the north corner of the property, with 26'11" x 22'11" of interior space for vehicles, plus an attached 13'3" x 7'5" shed and a 13'3" x 7'5" workshop. The garage is accessed from the alley behind the property. There will be a 28'x30' brick patio between the house and garage, with a covered walkway (not shown). In the east corner there is an open lawn area for an outdoor hockey rink in the winter (36'x60', I build this every year; tree in the middle of the rink will be removed) and a play space in the summer. A vegetable garden will be located on the southeast side of the house (~30' wide side yard).

Comments (13)

  • Historic_Infill
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    South elevation

  • Historic_Infill
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    East elevation

  • Historic_Infill
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    North elevation

  • Historic_Infill
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    West elevation

  • Historic_Infill
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    10 years ago
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    Basement floor plan

  • Historic_Infill
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    10 years ago
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    First floor plan

  • Historic_Infill
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    10 years ago
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    Second floor plan

  • Historic_Infill
    Original Author
    10 years ago
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    Site plan

  • lazy_gardens
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It looks good.

    With that wide a mix of periods, you can do a generic "farm Victorian Craftsman" and get it to blend.

  • Historic_Infill
    Original Author
    10 years ago
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    Garage plans

  • geller
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The kitchen would probably benefit from more natural light. Why not move the stove to the counter with the refrigerator, and center the sink on the other counter, with a much larger window to the porch?

    I wonder about having 4 BR and only 2 baths on the 2nd floor, especially if you are going to have extended guests competing with the kids. If you got rid of the outer sink, you could move the door and probably fit a jack and jill between the other bedrooms.

  • columbusguy1
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Everything looks good to me, except for two items:

    1. Omit the double doors to the guest room...many people will think that leads to the master--stick with a single door.

    2. The garage--opt for 'carriage-style' doors instead of the standard ones shown. You can get doors which raise like a modern one, but have the look of carriage doors that would have opened outward.

  • Historic_Infill
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    @ Geller

    Thanks for your comments.

    I like your idea to rearrange the kitchen. On another forum, I received mixed responses to the corner sink. I was planning to leave it as is because I wanted the corner window view. I did not want to switch the stove and sink as a corner stove really limits accessibility when there are two cooks (we have this in our current home). However, your idea of moving the sink to the stove location (along with the DW) and adding a window on the SE wall would give us a more accessible sink location and a larger window for more light (the porch is only 5' deep here). Moving the stove to the SW wall, a few feet from the refrigerator, should also work.Thanks.

    How many bathrooms to have on the second floor is a good question. I think one bathroom per bedroom is overkill, but is two bathrooms for four bedrooms enough? About 3-4 times a year we have family stay with us from out of town, usually for 1-2 weeks at a time. The remainder of the time the guest bedroom will be a home office for the adults. We are considering finishing a 3/4 bathroom in the basement, which might provide a reasonable alternative for guests in a pinch (although a bit of a hike up and down stairs). For resale, I can see how some families might want three bathrooms upstairs if all of the bedrooms are occupied. I will discuss this with our architect at our next meeting tomorrow.