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Torch cutting stainless steel

diyer_mi
19 years ago

Can anyone tell me why I cant cut thru s.s. like regular steel. I use acetylene (sp?) and oxygen tanks and have cut a lot of steel but never had to cut s.s. until recently. I was attempting to cut thru 2x3/8 flat s.s stock but couldnt penetrate it. Thanks for any advice...

Comments (21)

  • formulaross
    19 years ago

    It's probablty the alloying elements in the ss. Stainless steel typically has high levels of chromium and/or nickel. These elements form stable oxides on the metal surface which protects the surface from rusting. When you cut with an oxy-acetylene torch, your are literally burning the iron in the steel with the extra oxygen you supply. The chromium and nickel are much more stable at high temps than iron (that's why jet engine alloys use a lot of chromium and nickel) and may be protecting the iron from making contact with the oxygen from the torch. No contact = no iron burning = no cutting.

  • kbeitz
    19 years ago

    Take a normal welding rod and hold it in front of your torch when cutting Stainless... Cut both at the same time... This works good...

  • gooseberry_guy
    19 years ago

    Stainless steel is a non-ferrous (contains no iron) material. When cutting regular carbon steel, a chemical reaction takes place because oxygen has a chemical attraction to ferrous metals(iron), when they are heated above their melting point. When excess pure oxygen is added to red hot ferrous metal, the iron oxidizes very rapidly. The force of the oxygen aids in blowing away the molten metal from the cut.

    A couple of ways to cut thick stainless is with a plasma torch, or with the use of the fiberglas reinforced cut-off wheels. The website below mentions the use of a mig welder to cut stainless.

    GG

    Here is a link that might be useful: Metal cutting options

  • brickeyee
    19 years ago

    "Stainless steel is a non-ferrous (contains no iron) material."

    Most stainless steel contains significant iron. Some is non-magnetic, but far from all.

  • blacksmithman
    19 years ago

    Staniless steels are iron-based alloys containing 10.5% or more chromuum. The elements which gives stainless steel their desired properties produce oxides which reduce the operation to a slow melting away process when the conventional oxy-acetylene cutting equipment is used. By injecting a suitable flux directly into the stream of cutting oxygen before it enteres the torch, the obstructing oxides are removed. Machinery's hand book This is why Kevin's idea would work.

  • gooseberry_guy
    19 years ago

    Well, that's what one of my welding books says, so that's all I can tell you. It might depend on the alloy content of the stainless, but I understand stainless doesn't rust is because it contains no iron, and so it cannot oxidize. Obviously, if there is no iron in the stainless alloy, a magnet will not stick to it. I've never seen non-magnetic iron.

    GG

  • brickeyee
    19 years ago

    Stainless does not rust because of the alloy content forming a protective layer.
    The flux trick works well by attacking the non-iron alloying elements (chiefly nickel and chromium).
    The percentage of iron remaining governs the magnetc properties, since nickel is a magnetic metal also. get a stronger magnet and you can probably get most of the stainless you encounter to stick.

  • brickeyee
    19 years ago

    See the site below. Note the ** footnote to the table. The crystal structure of even non-magnetic stainless steels can be modified from working to make them feromagnetic.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Stainless Composition

  • diyer_mi
    Original Author
    19 years ago

    WOW!, you guys can really get tecnical! Hopefully more people than myself learned a lot from all the responses. thanks to all for the advice, I'll just stick to the chop saw ....

  • gooseberry_guy
    19 years ago

    Well, it's stuff I never knew before. I never really had a need to know, but it doesn't hurt to learn about it for future reference.

    GG

  • horseman1
    19 years ago

    Like going to skool only funner :)

  • Crashbob
    19 years ago

    why aint I no seed this afore? y'all probably got a circular saw for wood eh? buy a metal cutting blade, the choices are endless and hook it to the saw works like a cut off wheel... wear goggles and have a strong steady hand

  • JoeJ
    19 years ago

    Diyer,

    Just remember "PLASMA CUTTER"
    For one thing, you will get a very nice finnish cut, with a bunch of practice. And until then go with a chop or cut-off saw.

    Just my $.02

    Joe

  • Skaggydog
    19 years ago

    Posted by: Crashbob (My Page) on Fri, Oct 22, 04 at 20:05

    "why aint I no seed this afore? y'all probably got a circular saw for wood eh? buy a metal cutting blade, the choices are endless and hook it to the saw works like a cut off wheel..."

    Sounds like a nice way to burn up my saw.

  • brickeyee
    19 years ago

    There are both tootheed and abrasive metal cutting blades for circular saws. The same blade can be used in a chop saw also. they are not very good with sheet metal, but fine for larger sections. A hand nibbler tool works fine for sheets (if slow), and power nibblers can make short work of sheet metal if there is a lot to cut.

  • DNT1
    19 years ago

    We use a tool that looks like a grinder it is called a Metabo grinder, we only use the six inch blade model, but I know they make a four inch, it utilizes a real thin cutoff blade that will cut thru SS like a hot knife thru butter. You can also use standard grinding wheels on the tool, very versatile. Most tool places carry these, seems like the last batch I bought they were about $200.00 each and the blades are about $1.50 each, if you ever use one you will buy one, the tool has a builtin clutch that prevents burnout if it gets jammed up when cutting, and also has a variable speed adjustment. We use this where we used to use sazalls/oxy acy torch and plasmarc cutters. Its a beautiful thing.

  • DirtyEd
    19 years ago

    United Abrasives Inc.(SAIT) makes a 4.5 inch wheel that I use a lot of, it's only .045 inches thick and you can get them for ferrous or non ferrous metals. I keep one grinder setup with one of these all the time, another setup with a wire wheel, and for heavy grinding I use a 7 inch Metabo.
    The only problem I've had with these is that they cut so good that you will try to force them to cut even faster, which can cause them to wear quicker.
    DED

  • spambdamn_rich
    19 years ago

    By definition, a ferrous metal contains at least 50% iron. All steels commonly called stainless contain more than 50% iron, so they are all ferrous.

    The non-magnetic stainless steels are generally the 300 series, of which the 18-8 type is the most common (used for flatware, etc). The non-magnetic property is due to the metal crystal structure - these are known as "austenitic". Guess what, if you heat plain carbon mild steel to over 1800F or so, it will be non-magnetic too, at least until it cools down. That's how foundries pick up the molds for white hot ingots with big magnets - the molds are magnetic but the hot steel is not, and the billets just stay on the ground as the molds are lifted away. The hot steel is in its austenitic form.

    Cold-working can make austenitic stainless magnetic, but usually only mildly so. Depend on the exact alloy percentages.

    The austenitic stainless steels all contain a lot of nickel... the magnetic types have no nickel or much lower amounts - but that is not the only difference, and the differences are too complex to go into more detail now.

    Like the man said, a plasma cutter will handle stainless just fine. If the material is sheet and the cut is straight, a hydraulic metal shear is a good answer as well, if you have access to one.

  • Sureendiran Ilango
    8 years ago

    We couldn't cut a ss material by using oxyacetylene or any other gas cutting process since ss have more amount of cr.and this excess cr will react with the carbon to form chromic carbide. This chromic carbide has more thermal conductivity than ferrites so that it will never allow as to cut the ss by using oxyacetylene torch as simple as the other low alloy steels.

  • sswinehart
    7 years ago

    Hacksaw, abrasive chop saw, abrasive wheel in a grinder, chop saw with a stainless steel cutting blade, band saw, or plasma cutter.

    I use: abrasive chop saw, band saw, abrasive wheel in a grinder, or a plasma cutter depending upon the amount, type, and size of stainless material that has to be cut.

    The problem with metal cutting circular saws or chop saws is that you have to get the correct blade for them to cut stainless steel, or you will rapidly ruin a very expensive metal cutting blade with stainless steel if you have to cut a lot of pieces.

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