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Best progesterone

Posted by
Diane WI
(dmdyg@hotmail.com) on
Tue, Dec 19, 00 at 11:40

Hi Ladies!! I was wondering which progesterone cream is the BEST to buy??/ Its about 20bucks a tube and I dont think I can afford to experiment. Any suggestions??
Thanks Diane


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Hi Diane, There isnt any BEST progesterone cream, other than be sure to get one that has USP progesterone in it with a concentration of at least 20mg per 1/4 tsp. I've used ProGest and like it a lot, it has a slight citrus scent which I like. I tried one from GNC and didnt like the texture, kinda grainy, but other women have used GNC creams and like them. I know Progesta Care comes with a pump of some sort to dispense the 1/4 tsp. I never tried it. The women on Power Surge like the FemGest. It's really a personal preference, I think, as well as ease of purchasing. It would certainly save a few dollars if you could get it at a local shop instead of ordering it.


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Thanks Ann! Where do you get your Pro Gest?? Off the internet??


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Diane, I've been using PhytoProleif for 5 months now, and I would have to say it is the BEST product I've bought my entire life!!!!! My friend initially let me use her stuff when I told her I was considering surgical removal of my cystic fibroids in my breast. You wouldn't believe what happened, 2 months later, the lumps completely went away!! About a month after I started using it, my hot flashes disappeared, my mood swings disappeared, I can think more clearly now and I just feel like a whole new woman!!! It's $29 per bottle that will last you a good 3 months, and if you don't like it, you can return it within 6 weeks. Please get in touch with my friend at margalu@usa.net and she'll tell you more about it and how to get it. Good luck!!


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I did get my ProGest from the manufacturers web site. I ordered it both on line at via toll free phone no. at different times. I always had good service but it was delivered faster when ordered by phone. I dont use it anymore since my doc gave me a prescription for a progesterone cream so my insurance would pay for it.


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Hi Lisa, Anne M. and Dr. Judy if you are reading this, Hope to find a replacement for my Combi Patch and of course still have my grainy progesterone cream, like the effects of Lisa's would like to get rid of all my symptoms same as hers! Wondering about timing? Probably need to talk to my doctor today if possible and see if I can start the old cream transdermal right away or if I have to ride the time out for the patch effect to wear off? I don't want to cause heavy bleeding but is the shedding of the build up necessary? I have had real good cramps since 26th off and on and just light spotting but in wait to see if it turns into a full flow. Hope not. I like sound of Anne M. cream ,citrus and not grainy! Anyone care to respond I would appreciate it. More later Marilyn


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I stopped Prempro and tried the progesterone cream...but I do believe my hot flashes are worse than ever...I've been on the crezm for about 3 months. Should I keep using it, hoping the hot flashes will subside?


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Carolyn, what kind of cream are you using? Did you get it from prescription? Most of the stuff doctors prescribe are usually synthetic hormones, which can do your body a lot more harm than good most of the time. Also, it might help for you to check out the ingredients as you'll get an idea if what you have is a good progesterone creamor not. Because progesterone creams are not created equal. The one I'm taking right now (for 5 months already) has zapped out my symptoms after just a month of using it. You might want to check it out too. They've got a really informative website.

Here is a link that might be useful: Best Progesterone Cream


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Hi all, I checked out that web site mentioned above as "Best Progesterone Cream". IT's about Phyto Prolief a cream that is a combination of progesterone and phytoestrogens like Black cohosh, red clover, evening primrose oil, and other herbs. If you use this cream you will not know which part of the product is helping you, if it helps at all. On the other hand, if you already are taking the herbs and progesterone separately and its a help to you, it might make sense to try this cream.
Just my take on it.


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I checked out the site too. Anne, why do you need to know which part of the product is helping you? I think the reason they're all there is because they're supposed to work synergistically together.
Lisa, how's their customer service?
Anyways, if you're familiar with herbs & natural health, all those listed in Phyto proleif have been found to be very beneficial in helping alleviate specific symptoms of menopause.


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I like to know which products are in something because I have had bad reactions to some of them. I try to use the single products and then if something isn't what I like I know what to blame. Black cohosh makes me feel strange feeling so I don't take or use anything with it. We don't all need all of the ingredients. Besides these ingredients are mixed estrogens and progesterones and if you look at the charts of natural cycles only during the last 14 days do you get that kind of mix naturally. I am very careful to use very little progesterone during the first 14 days.


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Hi Fellow Laboratory Experiments! I love it when things start to brew! As always we seem to be in a quandry shall I use the doc's prescription advice, a compounding pharmacist with a cooperative liberal minded physician to write a prescript. or play the odds with the order catalog co. and their natural blended concoctions of herbs and phyto estrogen/progesterone whatevers??????? Guess you know by now by my various entries I am off on another tangent. I shall try the phytoprolief. What's magic for you Lisa and Margarita I hope is magic for me. Guess I am still a little naive and trusting, yet know that all does not work for everyone. My sis in law just got off of combi patch after 3 years with few complaints and me, well short of 3 months. I don't like the sound of going back to prescription progesterone from my doc. since it will be synthetic as was the estridiol progest patch. I think the synthetic estr. gave me the horrible irritation! So I shudder to think if the cream doesn't work. Oh well I just asked someone about Femhrt. maybe there is still other options down the line. I guess I need to stay optimistic at least until I try the phyto. Keep those discussions going gals although the many opinions on same subject seems overwhelming when you are trying to make a new choice at least it helps to eliminate some things to stay clear of!! Marilyn


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Marilyn....please keep us updated on how it turns out. I would very much want to know how it works out.


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$20 isn't a lot.I've just paid $59 for the one in Dr. Lee's book(transitions).My itching skin has improved about 95%,hot flashes 90%,insomia 80%.
I just wish there was a distributor in Canada.I was going to order on-line(much cheaper),then I read the disclaimer.I have to pay in advance but they can"t do any thing if customs won't let it through,they still keep my money,hence black market.


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trudy, why won't they sell it in canada?


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Progesterone cream is a controlled substance (hee hee makes us feel too good!) in Canada. You need a prescription to get it here.


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I live in Australia and natural progesterone can only be obtained on prescription here also. I believe England is the same and so is New Zealand. If you live in the US, you are very lucky to be able to buy it over the counter. If I'd known I was going to start getting peri-menopausal symptoms in September 2000, I would have stocked up when I was in North America in May and June 2000.

Barbie


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Does customs in these countries open packages sent from an individual to another? I know when we traveled to Canada they just asked us to declare anything special. If you were to receive a package would it get through? I know how much the progesterone has helped me and can't believe they wouldn't let you have it if needed.


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There's all kinds of things we can't get here in Canada, any of the hormones are not available, such as DHEA, melatonin, etc.
My doctor was quite happy to prescribe the progesterone cream if I really wanted it, although his comment was rather telling "For some women, I guess if they believe it will work, it will." His implication of a placebo effect was quite laughable.
As far as the law is concerned, its not illegal to possess natural progesterone, just to sell it over the counter. So whenever I visit the States I load up.
I'm pretty sure if it was sent in a parcel from one individual to another it would get through customs with no problem. But it really is a nuisance. Yes, I agree with Barbie, you American ladies are quite fortunate not to have to jump through all the hoops.


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Joan (and others),

Some packages are opened by Customs if they are suspicious but I think they are X-rayed first. One normally has to complete a declaration form which is placed outside the package on which you describe the contents. "Body Cream" would suffice without causing too much concern. Customs are more concerned with lethal drugs, etc.

We can get Progesterone Cream here if we are lucky enough to find a doctor willing to prescribe it. The Progesterone Creams are made to a prescription by a compounding pharmacist. We used to be able to buy it over the counter but the drug companies who make synthetic progestin kicked up a fuss and the Government gave in to them.

The following is a quote found in some literature from a distributor of natural progesterone cream:

Quote: "Due to pressure from the drug companies the governments of Canada, Australia and New Zealand have halted the sales of natural progesterone creams. The drug companies complaints were "their literature is too therapeutic", "why don't they have to perform rigorous testing on * (the real natural substance) progesterone like we do with our (hazardous synthetic) drugs". Bottom line: synthetic hormones is big business for the drug companies and they don't want any natural products competing with their synthetic "found nowhere else in nature" drugs. In Canada it was said that progesterone may be harmful to a fetus, when the body raises progesterone by 20 times to assist pregnancy. The truth is only the synthetic progestins are harmful". End quote.


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You're right, only PROGESTINS are harmful. A lot of people in the medical field make the mistake of interchanging progesterone & progestins, which are synthetic progesterones.

The reason why natural substances like natural progesterone are not required to go through rigorous testing is because if it is documented as indeed having therapeutic effects from the tests, then it will fall under the category of "drugs," in which case they can make claims that it can "cure" you. There's nothing wrong with that except that nobody really benefits financially from trying to prove it can cure a specific illness because the product can be attained elsewhere. See, if somebody did a research that proves spinach can cure cancer, no food production company can make money selling spinach because people can buy it anywhere. But if they altered the spinach to make it a super spinach, did tests that proves it will cure cancer, packaged it, paid megazillions for advertising that claims that only Super Spinach can cure your cancer, then that's when money rolls in.


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hmmm...


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I'm a little curious... where do you apply the cream?


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Any area of the body that has a layer of fat under the skin! Those are not hard to find on my body. I tried my forearm one time and got a "rush" within a few minutes. Haven't tried a "thin" skin area since.


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I'm still kind of new to this forum, and you just lost me. Joan, are you saying that you should apply the progesterone cream to "fatty" skin areas? I thought you were supposed to apply it to areas that had thin skin. Like behind your neck, on your hands, behind your knees, on your lower stomach, etc.


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In my version of Dr Lee's Book "What your doctor may not tell you about menopause", (Page 266), he says "the cream is best absorbed where the skin is relatively thin and well supplied with capillary blood flow, such as the face, neck, upper chest, breasts, inner arms and thighs, and the palms of the hand and soles of the feet". He recommends rotating the areas you apply it to avoid saturating any one area.


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Lisa,
Can you get phytoproleif over any counter at any drugstore here in the USA..I had been using progest but for some reason it makes me really bloated and I am bloated (fat?) enough. I can't button my pants or my blouses. So I stopped, got my period for a while and then it stopped. Also is it a problem to do progest for a couple of weeks and then stop and then start again?

What do you people think about doing nothing? I mean health wise. I have been so crazy for so long it almost seems natural.

Sarah
Sarah


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sarah,

They don't sell them in stores and the only way you can get Phytoprolief is online from their website or from one of their reps. I swear, this is better than anything you can buy in stores.

Here is a link that might be useful: Phytoprolief Website


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Now if I've understood all this correctly, Phytoprolief would be a great product for menopausal or post menopausal women because the phytoestrogens and progesterone are combined in one product for continued use throughout the month. But if you are pre or peri menopausal you should be taking those products at different times of the month. The phytoestrogens (eg black cohosh, dong quai, red clover, etc) should be used from days 1-14, and the progesterone from days 14-26 to mimic a natural cycle. Have I got this right?


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Lil, that is also my understanding of how it works.


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From what my naturopath doctor told me, she said that the way phytoestrogens work is that if you are lacking in estrogen, then it kicks in and mimics what estrogen is supposed to do during those times of the month (day 1-14). But just because they're there doesn't mean it works 24/7. She said that it will kick in when it's needed, and just lay dormant when it's not.


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So I guess my next question would be, if the progesterone by itself is doing the trick regarding alleviating symtoms, is there any benefit in supplementing the estrogens at all? Or would that be redundant, or even harmful?


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a lot of women experience a drop in their estrogen levels when they reach menopause, in which case it may be necessary to supplement it if you really want to. but according to Dr. Lee's book, it's much worse to have estrogen dominance than not having enough estrogen, and that women hardly ever really experience estrogen deficiency. if you eat dairy, red meat, chicken and drink from plastic bottles on a regular basis, you are exposing yourself to estrogen. so there really is hardly any chance for you to develop estrogen deficiency, and taking unnecessary pharmaceutical supplementation would be, as you said, redundant and harmful.


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Thanks Lisa, I guess as the Russian scientist said we westerners have the most expensive urine in the world! Sometimes I have to remind myself that there is a fine line between being proactive and being overreactive.


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Hello All, I used the progesterone cream for three wks and stopped for one. I am post menopausal and to be truthful the cream made me feel like I was proparing to start a period at any time. Symptoms as tender swollen breasts and some weight gain around the middle. I did not continue the cream after the week off. Is this cream really of any use for those of us who are over the menopause symptoms. I really would not bother with it if it makes you feel as I did. Bev.


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what kind of cream are you using bev?


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Bev, Dr. Lee mentions that this is something that happens to some women when they begin the progesterone. Because the progesterone also occupies estrogen receptors it can sometimes stimulate estrogen responses when women who are estrogen deficient first take it. I also had sore breasts the first month but by the second month all was fine. Unless you're really uncomfortable it might be worth sticking it out for 3 months before you make a final decision. But of course only you can say how your body is doing with it.


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Bev, Some women just cant tolerate progesterone. Dr. Lee never addresses this in his book. But our Dr. Judy has commented on it. And Michele Moore, MD, in her book, says this also. Some women experience an androgenic effect. Others feel like they have PMS. Once again, for us women who have felt like progesterone cream is a miracle worker, there is the fact that it doesnt work the same way for all women.


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I've read thru most of everyone's comments and seem to be more confused. It sounds wonderful to have the creams work so well for most women. I have been using the progest for about a month and a half and the only benefit has been my breasts not being as sore. But I still feel fat, grumpy, crazy, foggy, hopeless and at the end of my rope. I've been exercising, mostly walking everyday, and I don't lose any weight but I get very achy and tired. I also stopped smoking 4 months ago and gave up today and smoked. Smoking feels like my only friend at the moment. If any one has any suggestions I could sure use them. My poor family doesn't even know what to say anymore and my husband is clueless.
Thanks.
Nancy


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Hi Nancy, I hear your total frustration coming through. However, please please please dont go back to smoking. It's the worst thing you can do right now. You really have to give yourself more time with the progesterone cream. It took 6 mo for me to lose the brain fog and "crazy feelings". It's very hard, but the answer is really persistance with healthy eating, regular exercise (but it shouldnt cause pain), some kind of relaxation or meditation practice. If you're feeling hopeless and at the end of your rope, please consider a counselor to help you sort out those feelings and give you some encouragement with your self care program. You deserve to feel well and happy and it's very ok to take what you need to make that happen.


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nancy, there are several possible explanations for your results. sometimes it can take 2-3 months to see big changes depending on how low on progesterone your body has been. the amount of body fat you have could also play a role in delaying results since progesterone is absorbed by body fat. also, are you taking the recommended 5-7 days off from progesterone cream? you need to give your body a break from the cream for a few days out of the month to prevent desensitizing it from the effects of progesterone.


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Nancy, I have been using ProGest for about 1 1/2 years. I am 46. The last 6 months my perimenopause symptoms have gotten worse, especially the irritability and the mood swings. I started using a little more progesterone, but the mood swings didn't seem to get much better. I have noticed that my symptoms are worse starting on about day 7 of my cycle so I start using the cream at that time. I have done a tremendous amount of reading about natural hormones. I am certain that all the problems I have been having, mood swings, irritability and depression are all related to whacked out hormones. Anyway, not to make this lengthy, but about 3 weeks ago, I started taking 10 mgs of Pregnenolone and 25 mgs of DHEA. I started feeling good about the 3rd day and thought that it might just be wishful thinking on my part, but it has helped me tremendously. I exercise daily which, I have for years, but it was becoming a struggle. My energy level has increased and my foggy thinking is so much better. I have an appointment with an Internist on Tuesday to have my DHEA and hormone levels checked. He has heard good things about DHEA and menopause, but wants to do a check on everything. We are all so different that what works for one person, might not work for another, but just keep trying.


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Lisa, do you get your Phytoprolief from that website alone or do you have other sources or places for getting it?


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Hi Ladies, The Lab Guniea Pig is back! Seriously, I received my $32.50 pump full of phytoprolief on Tues. this week and have been applying to my stomach under fatty tissue of my arms "bat wings" i lovingly refer to this part of my arm anatomy. So its pleasant smelling, creamy not gritty like my other two brands I've tried. Too soon to say if it is doing anything. I have been sidetracked from my menopausal tracking due to a reoccurance of SHINGLES!!!! Yes ladies to add to our common thread of menopausal quirks I being of a Type A personality once again allowed the holidays to do me in. I stressed and perfected over all details of decorations for the neighborhood house to house party, then there was family gatherings and multiple church attendings and choir practices and gift shopping and you know it you went through it. Well last year at this same time I for the first time was struck by what I thought was pleurisy, which I heard my 85 yr old mom refer to frequ3ently over the years. I in my mid age have discovered the same discomfort in rib cage,shooting pain. Well mine didnt stop at that, it was the precursor to breaking out like a kid with chicken pox around the waist. Suffered severly for 6 to 8 weeks. Took pain killers over counter and then prescript. then given Valtrex,anti virus herpes drug. No I don't have genital herpes but shingles is related. So my message to you high strung over doers BEWARE. Shingles and Menopause are not happy bedmates. I won't be sharing too much of this on Meno Forum as you all may not relate. But if you care to learn more or have symptoms hit Yahoo diseases, then shingles, and you will learn more than you want to ever know. More about my cream later I have to survive the next 4-6wks of this!! MarilynH


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Anyone get Shingles along with Menopause?

Hi Hoping to get a reply from anyone who has experienced shingles while menopausal. It is my second bout last year at same time I got my first experience. HELL ON EARTH!Menopause takes a second seat or maybe rides right along with it. Please anyone else out there to share coping mechanism. I am medicated but want to share a commaradery! Marilyn


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Marilyn, there is an antiviral drug to take at the onset of shingles that stops the worst of the blisters and rash. I dont remember the name of it, and I know it's not effective if given later in the course of the outbreak. You might ask you doc about it.


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Okay, I went to this forum to see if there was anything I needed to know about my new cream, "Progestone 900", and found out that there was WAY MORE to know than I had thought!! I am about 20 years past my hysterectomy but kept my ovaries so the flashes started about 8 years ago. My gyno had my husband giving me monthly(1 mg)injections of Depo-Estradol, which worked great.

Then...long story, no insurance, yadda, yadda, so stopped the injections. The hot flashes returned with a vengance, along with lethargy. My husband said that I was also irritable but "WHAT TH' HECK DOES HE KNOW !!!" (just kidding). Anyway, I went to our local small town pharmacy and they recommended the cream. It says "Apply 1/4 tsp. of cream to desired areas morning and night." That's it! How do I know if I should use it everyday or not?

At least I found out where my "desired areas" are. Thanks.


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Hi to everyone who responded to my post. I am just now getting back to it. The name of the progest. cream is KAL. I bought it at my local health food store. The lady that owns it always gets the best products. It was thirty dollars a tube. I suppose I should have stuck with it longer. My doubts came up when I realized I was probably over hot flashes and periods (completely post menopausal). I thought I might mix things up and actually start a period. I suppose my main question is: Does the cream offer advantages for post menopausal women or just for those having menopausal symptoms? Thanks to all. Bev.


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-Bev, best I can say is that Dr. Lee says prosgesterone for post menopausal women will help prevent osteoporosis and actually rebuild lost bone. Unfortunately his theories are based mostly on anectodal reports and studies of female patients from his family medicine practice in... California I believe it is. The statistics he shows are pretty impressive, I wish they could be backed up with hard data.

-Marilyn Kay, what a bummer to get shingles. I've never had them but a girlfriend was in agony over them. I feel for you. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, and I hope your medicine works fast!


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Anne, Lisa and Lynn, thank you for your replies. I'm not one to get emotional but when I saw your messages I actually got choked up. It helps a lot to know that someone understands what's going on. I already feel a big relief. I'll give it more time and keep on exercising and stop smoking again. Changing the diet isn't easy, I've looked into it a lot and it seems confusing. But, that's the state of my mind also. Hopefully it'll clear up soon.
Everyone on this forum seems really caring. It's great.
Thanks again.
Nancy


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Thanks Lil and Anne for your replies re. shingles. My doctor has me on Valtrex the anti virus antibiotic, Lomotil for pain thats the BEST anti nausea pill to counteract pain pill and Allegra to fight my bronchitis. I even have time to apply the phytoprolief am. and pm. I am getting the best sleep in years simply due to all the meds. I haven't had any hot flashes the past week but they probably are being overshadowed by the shingles-pleurasy pain. More later. Marilyn


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Hello to all my sisters!

Here's my story: rheumatoid arthritis for past 8 yrs. (will be 50 this summer) and now no period since June 30.....flashes are mostly over with, but the fog, the fog, the ....what was it I was saying? You get the picture.

Am wondering if anyone has experience with femhrt (gyno has suggested it) and/or progesterone cream and arthritic conditions? Do you find that the cream helps to improve mental clarity, or is that mostly helped with supplemental estrogen?

Thanks in advance.

DLS


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Hi deb, I had horrible brain symptoms. poor memory, foggy feeling in my head, inability to concentrate on reading, etc. They all got better after 6 mo of using progesterone cream with no estrogen of any kind.


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Talk about fast!! I ordered my Phytoprolief last Saturday and got it last Tuesday. I am so pleased with the product and I do believe it is already starting to work on my flashes. My boobs feel like they're deflating too. I know young women wouldn't be thrilled at that, but I sure am!!!


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Oh my god! After reading this thread, as well as most of those before this, I decided to check out the Phytoprolief website and I am completely blown away!! I cannot believe they have a follow up program!!!!! This is something I have never seen from any store, website, or even doctor's office, where THEY themselves take the initiative to call you and see how you're doing. At my age, 59, and living alone, I really need all the help and support in dealing with this menopause. I'm especially new to the idea of using progesterone cream and am glad to see so many women getting good results with it.


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Hey Barbara! I felt the same way when I received my long distance call from Margarita, my phyto contact. I had a very nice caring conversation with her. Yes that is good business to follow up with your customers to make sure everything is satisfactory but was a nice surprise. I couldn't honestly tell her after only 10 days of using it whether I noticed any positive changes. At least I can say it does not inflate the boobs!! I understand it can reduce the bloating of them considerably. My prescript HRTs all gave me the terrible tenders!! I am on my second round of anti viral drug for the shingles still have the terrible pleurisy under the rib cage but no rash so the pills might have caught that in time. So I am still faithfully using the one fourth tsp from the pump each morning and night so I will let you all know if I see or feel anything different. ASAP. Marilyn H.


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I almost didn't believe Marilyn & Barbara until I got my call today. I guess it's about a couple of weeks since I got it. Boy, they are good! I almost wept talking to them because they just made me laugh and you really feel them listening. I believe we talked a good 20-30 minutes. That's more time than what my doctor gives me!!! Isn't that a shame???


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OK Ladies, you've convinced me. I am about to send my order through for PhytoProlief. Now, let's see if they call me in Australia!

Barbie


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Oh Barbie, you're gonna love them. I bet you $5 they will! Anybody else taking bets?? hahaha!


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Good one Diane.

Hope it's all you folks say it is, I had to order three bottles because I am in Australia. I can almost see my credit card curling in agony!

Barbie


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OK I'm impressed.

I ordered the PhytoProlief on Saturday 27th. I received an acknowledgment yesterday (28th) by e-mail. Margarita has just phoned me to confirm the order (5 pm 29th here). She started off with "Happy Birthday". I am 55 today and of course they ask for birthdate on order form. Margarita said they would be shipping tomorrow (Tuesday) so I should receive it Friday. Can't wait. She said she would follow up with me every couple of weeks. So Diane, you would have won your bet had anyone taken you up on it!

By the way, it was 1:30 am wherever Margarita is and freezing. We talked for about 15 minutes. We are having heatwaves here in South Australia and we had a bit of a giggle about the weather not helping the hot flashes! She sounded lovely and she apologised that I had to purchase three bottles.

Will keep you informed.

Stay cool,
Barbie


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See, I knew they would call you! I have spoken to Margarita once, the other time, it was somebody else and she is a sweetheart. She does seem very knowledgable about this whole menopause-progesterone puzzle, makes it seem so simple.


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I'm just wondering. I've seen creams with 900 mg of progesterone per oz, and ones with 400 mg per oz. Does the higher concentration of progesterone make it a better cream? They cost about the same.


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Candice, The higher concentration cream would be less expensive because you could use less per application, so the ounce would last longer. Otherwise it's personal preference for the scent and "feel" of the cream.


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Thanks. Now my next question is.....is progesterone cream perishable?


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OK I promised to let everyone know my impressions and honest ones at that of any progress re. phytoproleif.Well it has been about 3 weeks at least and I have used it twice a day and all I can say is that it must be working in remoisturizing my body internally!!! Remember me the one with the vag. irritations so bad I couldn't function! Well I feel great as of now! I don't know how to believe that it worked that fast absorbing transdermally. I mean ladies I haven't even needed my KY jelly ! I hope it wasn't a fluke. No I am going to believe in this product. It has not taken away my hot flashes which did reappear after one week off combi patch. but heck I am treating one things a t a time and if I keep on using it maybe the flashes will lighten up. HOpe so. More later I have a substitute teach job this afternoon. Anyone else using phyto keep up on the posting regard specific improvements and how many weeks it takes to help different areas. Marilyn


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That's wonderful Marilyn! I believe consistency here is the key. I was told that the progesterone will work on your symptoms one at a time until your hormones are all balanced. And as long as you keep taking it at the right amount at the right time, you will see results.


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Vaginal moisture only gets better with time. I have been using for a year and a half and would not be without it. You may want to check and see how much phytoestrogen is in the creme also. If not much you may want to add some from some other source. That will take care of hot flashes.


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Thanks for responding Joan and Janice. I may try you suggestion regarding using more of the progesterone cream to fight the night and day flashes which are going to take a toll again soon. Insomnia from waking up at least 3 or 4 times a night is no Good! I have a pot,although at least 6 months to a year old of progestone 900 cream. I wonder if I dare mix two differenct kinds of natural creams. Phyto proleief repr. would probably say no. But I hate to use too much of it at a time, cost factor as well as too much dosage might be a problem. Guess I need to email my rep. Thanks ladies. Marilyn


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Adding more progesterone will probably make the flashes worse. Your body is low in estrogen when you get hot. The progesterone balances or takes away the effect of the estrogen. Some kind of estrogen will need to be added to get rid of the flashes.


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Trouble in Pee Pee Land

Urinary Infection Queen Sherry, here. I live on cranberry pills, ech. liquid, and Vitamin C pills. When nothing else works for the crotch problem, Cipro which I stockpile like a drug addict. I purchased that Dr. Lee's cream and am about to go on it shortly. It says you have to be on Day 12 to start if you are perimenopausal. If this does the trick, I will scream the good news from the roof tops.I was up last night about 5 or 6 times running to the bathroom to pee. The pressure feels unbelievable when I have this!!


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Sherry, Oh have I been there!Many times..and have taken Cipro as well. Have you asked your doc. if your frequent urinary track infections could be also vaginal irritation/infections. I have read that if vag. infections get bad they go back and forth from urinary to vag or vice versa. I am not med. background so just ask. Do you try and continue your extreme drinking regime even after you are over the infection. I am soooo bad about drinking enough liquid during the day. I have to feel dehydrated and then I go for a drink. I probably drink more water during my "sleep" every time I wake up with hot flash I cool it down with a drink, so I visit the John frequently for that reason. Oh well just thought I would respond. Hope you feel better soon it is most debilitating!! Marilyn


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I've been on the phyto prolief cream for about a week now and haven't seen a change yet. Of course that's not to say I don't like it because I absolutely love how the cream feels. It kinda gives you a cool tingly feeling on the spot you apply it on. And you know it's getting absorbed because the spot you put it on doesn't stay slick or get slippery when you wet it. I always wondered about that with other creams. I just wish it worked faster because it's so hard not to be sleeping enough at night. I know I've only been on it for a week, so I guess that's asking too much.


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Barbar UT, Yes one week is not a fair trial yet! I think I have been on it about 3 wks to a month now. I used it exclusively on the lower abdomen for the first week and it gave me moisture that quickly. No it has not cured my hot flash night sweats yet but I am realistically looking at 3 to 6 months on that. I have insomnia and wake up every couple of hours and sometimes even more frequently. But I still have hopes as I have read enough entries in the forum to think it will eventually give me a balance of estrogen and progesterone. One lady suggested I might need more estrogen (phytoestrogens that is, because we are dealing with natural plant derived estrogen) So I may look into that to hurry up the flash-insomnia problem. When you have to get up for work every day and you have had about 2 or 3 hrs broken sleep pattern over a long period of time, well you are desperate and I have been there many times. That is when I jump off the Natural wagon and go ask for another try at prescription strenth HRTs-pills or patches. But I would much rather feel safer using the natural cream of Phyto Proleif. I hope it works for both of us, for everyone that tries it. Keep me posted. Marilyn


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Promensil got rid of my hot flashes but I stopped taking it when my original three month's supply ran out. I started using progesterone cream shortly after starting on the Promensil. When I ran out of Promensil, I didn't buy any more as I was going to see if the progesterone cream alone would take care of the hot flashes.

It has been extremely difficult to tell the difference between a hot flash and just being hot as we have had heatwave conditions here in South Australia for nearly three months, in fact it's the hottest summer EVER, that's the hottest summer on record (up to 115F). It has been very humid which is unusual for South Australia, so it's been like one long hot flash and even my husband suffers, so as I say, it's hard to differentiate.

I started using PhytoProlief six days ago on 6th February. I used AIM Renewed Balance for two months (the first cream I had ever used) prior to this. I didn't have any complaints about it but I was convinced, by posts on this Forum, to give PhytoProlief a try.

PhytoProlief does feel smoother, not as "grainy" but I didn't notice any overnight miracles like some ladies have experienced. I was considering taking Promensil again to get rid of the hot flashes. However, last night I woke up only once with a night sweat. Before that it was several times a night, so maybe things are looking up, particularly as it's now mid-day and I haven't had a hot flash yet. I might wait a little while longer (before deciding on whether to take Promensil again or not) to see if things continue to improve. I mean it's not even a week yet and I bought three bottles of PhytoProlief so have plenty to give it a fair trial.

I believe what everyone is saying about how good they find it. It could be my imagination, but is my facial skin looking better?

Marilyn, rather than jump off the "Natural Wagon" you could consider taking Promensil for the hot flashes and insomnia. I would certainly be happy to take it again if the PG cream alone is not enough. As I said, I am just waiting a bit longer to give the PhytoProlief a chance to "kick in". I have every faith in it.

Good health
Barbie

Here is a link that might be useful: Promensil


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New lab critter here. Just figured out last week that I am NOT falling apart, its just pre-menopause! Whew!!!!

I ordered my phytoprorelief on Thursday (late afternoon), and here it is, today! Yay! Got a call from Marga Lu on Saturday morning. I agree with the other's comments here - they are truely amazing! She spent a lot of time on the phone with me.

I am so excited to try it out - I have very little body fat and a high metabolism, so she suggested only one dosage a day to start. Gonna start tonight.

From reading on this site, other internet sites, and talking to Marga Lu, sounds like I am VERY estrogen dominant, and have been most of my life. Bleah.

Why don't doctors, particulary Gyns ever check in to this hormone imbalance thing? I had fybrosistic masses in my breasts from my late teens. So painful during my periods, couldn't even let someone hug me, or sleep on my side. Had a prophylactic mastectomy (both) in my early 30's (my choice), as my risks for breast cancer were as bad as they can get. (The fybrosistic masses took up more than 50% of each breast - mammograms were useless, and ultrasounds every 6 months showed 2 small cysts - not cancerous "yet". Already had one needle biopsy, and didn't want to spend my 30's getting them all the time, and constantly worrying, so.... best thing I ever did! Had reconstructive at the same time w/my own stomach tissue.) So, now I find out fybrocystic problems in breasts can be a big indicator of estrogen dominance. Sigh...

Oh, well...I am so happy to have figured out (not the doctors, thank you) that all the leg/feet tingling/discomfort, bloating, constipation, dry mouth, evin chin hair, foggy brains, anxiety, suddenly sensitive gums & teeth, etc... has a treatable cause! Also is a blessing to find this out NOW and not when I am totally into menopause - as I am so small framed (and extremely lactose intolerant), I have a big red star in the osteoporosis column. So, got my phytoprorelief, got my vitamins (recommended dosages on Dr. Lee's website), gonna have my hand/free weights and weight bench later this week (from what I've read weight bearing exercise is the best for osteoporosis, and its something I can do at home, anytime, rain or shine). And I know I'm not falling apart now. I'm all set and ready to go!

Thank you so much for this forum - it is so wonderful to have women to share with, and know I'm not the only one!

Best regards,
Corinne (I'm not falling apart!)


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Welcome to the Lab Corrine ! So keep posting about your progress or side effects of Phyto Proleif. I have been using it for about a month or so. Hoping that the phytoestrogens and the natural progesterone will eventually balance out and cure my hot flashes,night sweats and insomnia. It has cured my vag. dryness completely and that was within one week. Previous to that the combi patch was reeking havoc with my system! So I hope you have great results with the cream. I may need some added estrogen or phytoestrogen. Got to go I am flashing! And my kids are hounding me to get on the net. More later. Marilyn


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Just thought I'd share this with y'all. I started having sharp pains on my right breast a few days ago and started getting paranoid it might be cancer. My doctor, however, said it might just be a cyst. Anyway, my rep for Phytoprolief suggested that I apply the cream directly on that part that hurts. I tried it once, and guess what??? The pain is totally gone!!!!!


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Wow How come your rep told you to put it right on your breast and my doctor told me to keep it off my breasts? OK who do you listen to? Great for you the pain went away. Thats what my rep told me that it would reduce the swelling, I had it from the combi patch and whether it was just getting off the patch and I became unswollen? Or use of the phytoproleif helped. So I hope it does work for you and certainly that the cysts ar benign!!! Best wishes Marilyn


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OK, I know I said I would wait, but I couldn't stand the hot flashes and night sweats any more and I started taking Promensil again on Saturday 17th. They are easing thank goodness but haven't disappeared completely (but it's only been a couple of days). Perhaps when this Promensil 12 week pack has finished, the PhytoProlief will have kicked in and I will have another trial of "no Promensil" to see if PhytoProlief is sufficient on its own.

I have been following Dr Lee's book where he says to use progesterone cream twice daily for three months, then once daily. I was using AIM Renewed Balance for the first two months and PhytoProlief for the third month (commencing 6th February).

On my regime I am using the cream 16 days per month and my three months is up now and this is my two weeks off, so when I go back on it I will use it at night only.

I obviously haven't found my balance yet but compared to others, I am pretty new at this trial and error thing. I won't give up!

Re putting it on your breast, both the creams I have used mention the breast as one of the places to apply it and also Dr Lee says so in his book, as long as you put it on a different area each time so as not to saturate one area.

Marilyn, what phyto estrogens are you using? In your previous messages I understood you to mean you were just using progesterone cream.

Good health to all
Barbie


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This is the first I have heard of anyone having pains on their breasts that aren't cysts and aren't cancer. I actually though ran into a woman over the weekend, who said the pains, the aches, and the spreading warmth (does anyone else have that) are all hormonal changes. I am going to try the progesterine cream right on the ache and I can change every day as the aches move around the breast.

I am beginning to think it is also stress as I just seem to be stressed no matter what I do, now I am stressed about no work and my relationship is a mess because I am never happy and I believe, him, in not knowing how to cope with me screams and yells at me. (We have been together for over 20 years and I have 2 stepkids who live far away and are grown up) SEX, whats SEX?

Today it was raining and my breast aches and I just decided to not even get dressed, just type at my computer.

I think if I could just get this heartache (maybe its a broken heart) to go away I will be happy again.

Sarah

PS Someday I will send the happiest mail you have ever seen!
Believe it or not I so hate being a whiner, complainer, and victim. I am also so self absorbed because I don't have anything, thank God, to worry about anything except me.


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Aww Sarah, I'm sorry to hear you're having such a blue day. It is tough when things don't seem to have any upside. Maybe it would help you feel better to look into finding something to give you a sense of purpose and accomplishment. Women of our age have so much experience to give. Could you maybe donate a few hours to some charity you love, the children's hospital, Humane society, etc.until the work picks up again? You could also look for an antidepressant perhaps to help you out of the slump. But I really think its important to have a reason to get out of bed in the morning and feel good about what you've done. Best wishes, hope you feel better soon.


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For those of you interested in oct progesterone creams, perhaps this will give you an idea of what other ladies are using.


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Hi! I agree, Phytoprolief is the one of the best progesterone creams available. I tried many before I found Phytoprolief. The website I get it from has lots of health information about menopause and perimenopause. It also has nurse consulting. (The distributor is also a RN and helped answer many of my questions and I got my Phytoprolief in just 3 days for only 4.20 shipping!) I sent her my testimonial for this product and told her I was going to post to message boards about her product and great service.

Here is a link that might be useful: Phytoprolief Online!


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I'd like to move this up so Tulip can look over the thread.


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Hello ladies,

I just recieved my PhytoProlief today. I placed my order for it on the web site just this past Monday night. I was amazed and very happy that it came so fast. I just put on my first application. I hope the results are just as fast as the shipment was!
Tina


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I am new at this so please forgive me if I mess up. I have been reading all the comments on progesterone cream and I have a question that I hope someone can give me an answer to. I have been anorexic for 20 years and I am 36 yrs old.I only had my period for about 1 1/2 yrs when I was 14 until I was almost 16. Since then never again. I suffer from panic attacks which I have tried everything to be free from. I have been on regular meds and herbal suppliments[a whole list of them]. I get some relief but never 100%. I read that progesterone is called the balancer of hormones. I could only guess that I am deficient in it. Could a natural progesterone cream help me. I am thinking that a depletion of progesterone may be what is holding me back from being able to be set free from these panic attacks. Besides, I do have other symptoms like mood swings irritablity etc. I understand that these symptoms could be caused by alot of things. Will using the cream make me start to have a period? Any help will be so appreciated. I would talk to my doctor but her solution is to prescribe me something where the list of side effects are a mile long.


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I have read all the messages on this site and do believe I am on the right track. I am 46 and 3 weeks ago hada radical hysterectomy. I did not expect to go through al the symptoms of menopause so soon. I hate it right now. I fell like I am just about to lose my mind, Mood swings are awful. Depression, no sleep, hot flashes all of it driving me nust. I have searched the internet like a "mad man" trying to find some answers. I feel that doc Lee's theory on estrogen dominance could be what I had been having the last four or five years before surgery. I was thinking about ordering Phytoprolief, but then I ran across anotner product that cought my intrest. I found it at hormone profile.com. They sell progesterone in the tube or pump only claiming that cream in a jar could become contaminated. The product is called Natural Ptogesterone and this months special is a 2oz tube and 2oz pump. both for 28.95. Has any one out there used this product? I sure would love some feedback, all I want is to fell good again! Thanks for listening.


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To pjeans. I have been using Phyto Prolief for 3 months now with very good results. There service is also excellent. There are so many out there it gets confusing. I have not tried any others since this one works for me.


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To Debbie, I thank you for your input on Phyto Prolief. I am glad to hear it works well for you. I can only hoope it will do the same for me. After much research I have narrowed it down to one of two, Phyto Prolief or Pre-gest. I don't know for sure which one it will be, but I will be ordering something by this week end. Has any one tried pro-gest? I would love to hear your comments about it. I'll let you know what I decide to use and how it works for me. Until then, happy health to all!!!!


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Anymore ideas on other Creams?


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I have had good results with Progesta-Care, which I bought at a health food store. It comes in a pump that delivers the appropriate amount.


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I have been purchasing Pro-Gest natural progesterone over the counter for the past 2 years here in Toronto, Canada. I buy it from the Markie Pharmacy, Toronto. The transdermal cream now comes in a "double" package: 2 x 2oz or 2 x 60 gm tubes at a cost of $69.99 + GST and PST (CDN).
My doctor informed me that he could not prescribe natural progesterone cream because it is not on the approved drug list.
Has anyone obtained "natural" progesterone cream by a doctor's prescription in Canada?


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??? It has been illegal to sell natural progesterone over the counter in Canada since 1997. Do you mean *under* the counter?

As for your doctor saying it is not an approved product, progesterone is an approved drug so it shouldn't matter what vehicle is used for its delivery - pill, injection, gel or cream.

Here is a link that might be useful: Health Canada


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I just ordered the PhytoProleif. I just hope it is the miracle cream you all are claiming to be... In addition, I am running to the health store to buy something while the phyto arrives.. I am desperate.. it seems to me that I may be estrogen dominant (by your comments) my breasts hurt (it seems) all THE TIME !!! now, I am 45 and my tsh blood tests show that I am not menopausal yet.. any ideas? I have all the other syntoms too.. bad sweats and hot flashes.. the only new one I have that none of you mentioned is that I get cold sometimes.. so I go from sweaters to tank tops.. HORRIBLE.. please help me...


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Hi Sylvia

I'm with you on the hot and cold thing. When my hot flushes were at their worst I went from boiling hot to icey cold in a short space of time more than 40 times a day and night but that extreme only lasted for three months at that level and then it started to improve which was very welcome. It was easy to actually catch a chill so you have to be careful not to do that.

Jackets on, jackets off, slippers on, slippers off, windows open, windows shut, blankets on, blankets off..... and on and on. I've never been so "unbalanced"! It can keep a lady more than busy trying to keep up with such fluctuating temperatures.

I hope it soon passes for you too as I'm much better now so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Regards
Joan


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I am currently trying to switch from Activella to Phyto Prolief. I tried the website listed above in previous messages but never heard anything when I filled out the order form. I called the phone numbers and they have been disconnected. I've heard such good results with the cream and am worried about the side effects of hrt. Does anyone have another way of getting the cream ? Or at least something comparable ?


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Karen,
I bought some Phyto-Prolief, but don't like it as much as a brand called Progesta-Care. Progesta-Care was relatively easy to rub in. It seems like the Phyto-Prolief pump bottle delivers a lot of cream and it takes forever to rub in. I just don't like the consistancy of the stuff. It forces you to rub it in over a very large surface area. Try the Progesta-Care if you can find it. I think you will like it.


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I bought my Progesta-Care from The Vitamin Shoppe. I paid $20.97 for a 3oz pump. I got mine from a store in my area, but the do have a web-site that you can order from. Tomorrow will be my first day using it and I can't wait. I'm trying to reverse the effects of the Depo Provera shot.


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It's been almost a year since this thread has started. Could the ladies who started the cream in February chime in and let us know the results?
Thanks, Jerri


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Sounds like you ladies know and I am confused. So here goes. I am a young 55, in good shape (huh!) no uterus since 25 and ovaries out about 10 years ago. I take premarin .625. Thats it!! Is it enough, will more help? I am quite dry, no real sex drive (partly because of that!) and do not know what I need to help with both. Also the big O is a work of art. Hubby is very patient. My DR. hough doesn't seems too interested. Been going to switch Dr. for some incontinence help too but do not know if I need a GYN or a Urologist or just the GNC store. See if you can give me a new start. I have been reading your forums to learn!


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I had a complete hystercony 2 years ago. I've never taken any thing for the hot flashes, etc. My doctor suggested anti-depressions but I'm not depressed. I've gain 30 pounds in the last 2 years. Never had a weight problem before!!! I just started taking phtyo prolief and I'm hoping to see some results soon. How much time should I give the product before I see my doctor? The hot flashes are terrible and very obvious (my face turns beet red). I'm a high school principal and it is very embrassing when I have a hot flash. Any suggestions?


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