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| I'm going thru a remodel involving lights, and I'm thrilled to see everything is LED so there is a better solution to save electricity than CFL. I couldn't decide which to buy so I bought them all and made our own little showroom in our basement. The stores local to me are HD and Menards, so that's what I went with. We have new construction 5" br30 / par30 cans. The first bulb I tried was the CE 5" retrofit with recessed gimball. It had the most wow factor. It was also the most expensive, $45 at HD. This bulb definitely looked cool installed, but it had a very focused light. It looked almost like a flashlight when you'd move it around the room you could see a definite circle pattern. Even tho it's called a flood, it had a PAR-looking pattern. Great for task lighting, not great for a bedroom. We compared this to a CFL, Incandescent, and a flood incandescent all at once. People liked the CFL least. Worst and least amount of light. Ppl liked the look of the CE, but not the focused light and shadows it cast. Overall ppl liked the incandescent flood best. So my initial delve into lighting was producing nothing better than the old power-eating standby. So I went back and researched lots of different ones, and got one of each. This time, we tried the other CE retrofit from Home Depot with 5" white trim and BR-style lens. And from Menards, their version of the retrofit, and their cheap LED Dimmable Bulb (Feit Professional series) for $16. Now we haev 4 LEDs to compare. A $45: CE retrofit with PAR lens from HD 3000K Light quality. Delay - on. I found it really strange that 2 kits both by CE performed so differently. Don't they use the same basic drive technology among models? A popped on fast but B was delayed. Go figure. Hum. The look. The Menards bulb looked like a traditional baffle and flood bulb. You had to make a point to center them in the baffles or they skew and don't look as good. Otherwise it was fine. I was actually surprised - why would ppl pay $30-$40 for a bulb, when this one looks really great? If you're replacing bulb only, the light quality was excellent and the price is right at $16. Even if one out of 10 burns out in 10 yrs instead of 20, you've spent 40% of the cost of more expensive ones so you can replace it once and still be ahead. For $10 more tho, I can get the kit, which has no issue w centering the bulb, the sealed lens / trim, the best diffused lens, and a clean and refined look w no gaps or cracks. Over 10 fixtures, that's $250 vs $350, so we'll go the extra $100. It's also $3 cheaper than the CE model at HD, comes on quicker, and outputs 840 lumens vs 630. The next step will be to wait till my dimmers (CL-series for the LED lights) come in, and if they dim as well as the others, then it's a done deal. I'll post back when I find out how they all dim. This experiment seems to indicate that the Feit is the best, but everywhere I read ppl seem to like to bash them. Are they worse? Or are ppl just brand loyal to their Nora or Cree which probly just have more markup? When comparing the 4 kits avail at common stores, this one seemed to stand out as the best performer and at a good price. Not the cheapest , but not the most expensive either. |
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| I can't say anything about FEIT LEDs, but I have had poor results with their other offerings, so I have no respect for them as a brand. The LEDs may be okay, I just have no data. This may be the "bashing" you see from others, unless they are specifically mentioning the LEDs. The CREE units dim well, down to almost unusable lighting levels. They are 2700k or 5000k (last I checked), although I think the 2700k does look slightly whiter than incandescent. I did have one CREE unit (out of about 43) that blinked when installed, and failed totally within minutes. Replaced quickly by PolarRay. |
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- Posted by christine40 (My Page) on Mon, Feb 18, 13 at 8:36
| doing my own assessment of LED's for 6 recessed cans in my kitchen. Shaded backyard, lights are always on. Walls are painted a "gray-brown" (BM Stardust), cabs are BM oc-11 Clay beige. Yesterday while at Costco, they had the Feit 2700K LED floods on sale for $10.99, bought 1 to try. It cast a "pinkish" type light, brighter and whiter than my incad. lights, which looked really yellow in comparision. However, it made my cabs and paint look pink. so, that's going back. any chance we will like the 3000K better.?? |
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- Posted by squishyball (My Page) on Tue, Feb 19, 13 at 10:38
| I would guess that's the same bulb avail at Menards for $16.99. It was 2700K. We definitely liked the three models we tried that were 3000K better, but only by a hair so the price seems great at $10.99! |
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- Posted by squishyball (My Page) on Thu, Feb 21, 13 at 11:26
| Dimmer results at last! A $45: CE retrofit with PAR lens from HD 3000K I tested with a Lutron Diva LED Dimmer. Here's what I found... They all advertised dimmable to 5%. Yeah, right! They got nowhere close to 5%. I'd say the worst went 100%-50% and the best went 100%-30%. This is just by eye. I certainly didn't need them to go to 5%, just interesting that they advertised that they do that. 5% of 800 lumens would be 40 lumens, aka a tiny night light -- they didn't go that far. The bulb I liked least before (the Home Depot model, B in the list) is still the worst. It puts out the least light and dims the least. The other ones did better... The Home Depot PAR light and the Menards Retrofit were both "good"... they dimmed down to I'd say about 40% The one that dimmed the best was the cheap Feit bulb. It had the largest range -- I'd say it went down to about 30%. Overall, I was surprised that the Menards brand outperformed the Home Depot Brand in every test. So my model choices are easy. The Feit retrofit kit where I have new cans going in and the Feit Performance bulb where I have existing rework. Hope that helps anyone interested! |
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