I also asked where is it made and the person said it is made in the USA, but I think it is not true for this machine. Can anyone confirm? Thanks.

Made in Germany -- says that on the door.

Would love to know the wash temps. It also has an Extra Hot setting which only works with heavy duty.

The hottest wash temp in this machine is 170 - get that with cotton & extra hot or sanitary

On same cotton setting they consider Hot to be 120. Warm is 90. Cold is 60

Kids Care 150
Dark Colors is 86
Permanent Press 95
Delicate 90
Hand Wash 75

I think I can explain a bit.

Basically, they tell me the cycles control the temps -- . You wash on Perm Press and it gives you 95 degree water. Dark colors is 86, etc.

But some them can be altered by using the water temp settings. F.ex. cotton default is hot (120 LOL) but you can adjust to extra hot 170.

They made this into Laundry for Dummies. But this machine does a great job. I do really like it a lot.

Do you have it or are you shopping?

Cotton
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
34/31 C - 93/87 F warm
55/53 C - 131/127 F hot
Perm Press
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
34/31 C - 93/87 F warm
55/53 C - 131/127 F hot
Delicates
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
30/27 C - 86/80 F warm
Hand Wash
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
30/27 C - 86/80 F warm
Wool
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
30/27 C - 86/80 F warm
XXTRASanitary
68/65 C - 154/149 F extra hot
Speed Wash
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
34/31 C - 93/87 F warm
SportsWear
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
34/31 C - 93/87 F war,
Dark Colors
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
34/31 C - 93/87 F warm
Silk / Satin
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
30/27 C - 86/80 F warm
KidsCare
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
34/31 C - 93/87 F warm
55/53 C - 131/127 F hot
Soak
16/10 C - 60/50 F cold
30/27 C - 86/80 F warm

Sheesh, will I have to have this chart taped to the wall to know what temp I want? The old WFK-2401 that died had a simple wash knob that went from cold to power temp boost. I could select the temp I wanted.

Do I know need to somehow remeber when washing diapers that I need to do a refresh cycle first (Which I think is really a rinse and spin) followed by a cottons warm then a cotton hot to get rid of any remaning suds?

Is it just me or does it seem strange that there is no program with a temp between 93 and 127? There is no 100, 110 or 120 degree cycle? Really? I personally consider warm to be around 110 degrees, very warm around 125-130, hot around 150 and sanitary somewhere between 170 and 210F.

Anyone else have the same thoughts?

I guess they made this change to achieve higher "energy star" ratings. But this is also the best way to assure a moldy future to the machine ....

I really can't catch this mindset : IMHO the customer should not be fooled about actual temps. Oxigen bleaches contented in powders require 140°C at least to be effective.

Not a case here nobody wipes the rubber boot after washing and yet nobody has mold issues. Also almost everybody leave the door with the latch not engaged (almost close). That small gap is enoughto avoid mold. There is need to keep the door totally open (it's also annoying)

It's **user wisdom** to decide about the proper temp both to save energy but also to avoid mold issues.
Also here in Europe "cold is the new trend".It makes sense to refr as warm/hot in a toploader without internal heater. Once a machine has its own heater refering just to "warm" and "hot" is a nonsense. At least here we are informed about actual temps (they are really displayed on dials/lcd screens rather than "warm" "hot" and we can take our decisions :

tap cold
20°C - 77°F (ultimate trend )
30°C - 86°F almost warm (non colorfast and delicates
40°C - 105°F warm (non colorfast and delicates)
50°C - 120°F very warm (nylon)
60°C - 140°F hot (colourfast and whites with eastic)
75°C - 167°F very hot (whites and sturdy colors)
95°C - 203°F boilwash (whites)

I have until tomorrow to cancel the order. I just wish I could justify the cost of the Miele W3033. At least Miele has a custom cycle that will let you have the wash temps that you really want.

Maybe I need to call Bosch and get a hold of the "official" wash temps for myself.

I just wanted to let you know that I just bought one this month and we LOVE it.

After about a year of researching and shopping around I was lucky enough to buy mine as a floor model from a local Authorized Miele dealer. It was discounted 25% so I got it for "only" $1490.

I know there are some Energy Star retailer instant Rebates that will be in effect for a short time in mid-April. In my state the W3033 would qualify for a 15% instant rebate.

You might want to look into this, it may make this model affordable.

I was planning on waiting to buy mine then, and was just stopping by the store to talk to a salesperson about how to work the details. I got very nervous when I saw that their Miele showroom was being remodeled and the W3033 was no longer on display.

That's when I found out it had just been moved to the sales floor, and was the floor sample they pulled was just marked down. 25% off was better than the 15% I was going to get with the rebate, so I bought it that day.

It's a great machine. We really do love it.

I'm confused by the dual temperatures for each setting on the Dec. 1 '09 post. Is one of these for when "heavy duty" is selected or something?

Thx.

I'm presuming both units have the same temps(WAS20160U and WAS24460UC) because they both have the same size heater. Is it 1350 watts?

According to the manual, the Heavy Duty feature is Extended Washing time.

Has anyone seen Bosch's price suggested price for the WAS24460UC? It's up to $ 1,449.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this mainly because of the brushless motor?
Miele's looking better!

Bosch currently sells a 120V compact washer based on their older, smaller-drum design that's advertised as having a 1800w heater IIRC - must heat at full capacity only when not tumbling.

The WAS20160UC is clearly labeled as having a 2000W heater on the machine itself. It draws 12 amps at 240V. I don't know why some of their brochures list the heater as 1350w; that appears to be incorrect, and would make the 240V electrical requirement pointless.

Got another look at that "absurdly low priced" scratch-and-dent washer I referred to earlier. You know what they say about "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is"? $90 for a new Bosch washer seemed to good to be true, even for an obviously used-and-returned machine missing some parts and badly dented and scratched. The tag was meant to be placed on another item.

I may still buy it if they drop the price enough. I recently bought a used Miele W1926 and I need to move the nearby sink before there will be room for it - it's about 5" deeper (front-to-back) than the Bosch, despite having only about 75% its capacity (6kg rather than 8kg). Also, the Bosch weighs about 150 lbs, the Miele about 250 !! But the build quality on the Miele looks leagues ahead, and the controls are so much more straightforward. No inscrutable cycle names that leave you guessing as to what the machine will do (sportswear? kids clothes?), just obvious stuff like what temperature you want, in degrees F, and how fast it will spin. I just wish it fit more easily in the space I have. The smaller 5kg Miele would have been better for me - it's 4" shallower. But $195 for a Miele W1926 in excellent condition is a steal, and I jumped at the chance to buy it.

The now-defunct Expo sold me a Bosch 2460 about five years ago for about $275. I flipped it on eBay for $600 within a week. Now I wish I still had it....

I don't consider 127 hot. It's lukewarm.

FWIW I don't understand why I got different info (posted above) on the water temperatures. Also, when I touch the glass during cycles they told me use hotter water, the glass is waaaay hotter than 127.

I still have a question about the Axxis internal Heater. Will the internal heater increase the water temp to the selected cycles' associated temp regardless of the incoming temp? If not, how many degrees above the incoming temp can it increase? My washer area is about 25 feet from the hot water heater. When I select a warm or hot cycle, room temp water will enter. I'm a bit concerned with this before I buy the Axxis.

Thank you so much,
John

I have e-mailed Bosch three times and they still can not seem to send me a PDF or any type of official info on what the temps are for the different cycles.

First she told me the hottest water temp setting was 127 which is ludicrous because I can feel the water is hotter by touching the door. DUH.

She finally came back and said they don't have that info.

So they can sell you a $1500 preset washer (which I love btw so no complaints on how it works) but not give you any basic facts about its operation or temperature settings so you can judge how to wash your clothes.

This is a huge company which clearly is not functioning. I mean seriously, how hard is it to put that information on a website? Tragic.

It's annoying that they don't give you the wash temps but it's a minor thing compared to the excellent performance. Once you get to know the settings it's automatic. I'm happy with this pair.

Program	Name	Cold	Warm	Hot	Extra Hot
1	Cotton	60	90	120	-
2	Perm Press	60	90	120	-
3	Delicates	60	90	-	-
4	Hand Wash	60	90	-	-
5	Wool	60	90	-	-
6	Soak	60	90	-	-
7	Drain	-	-	-	-
8	Spin	-	-	-	-
9	Rinse & Spin	-	-	-	-
10	Sanitary	-	-	-	161
11	Quick Wash	60	90	-	-
12	Sports Wear	60	90	-	-
13	Dark Colors	60	90	-	-
14	Silk Satin	60	90	-	-
15	KidsCare	-	90	140	-

This info came from:

Lan Deal
BSH Home Appliance Corporation
Product Manager - Laundry, PW/NA-PM
5551 McFadden Ave.
Huntington Beach, CA 92649

Too bad Bosch is so secretive about something as crucial as what temperature the water will be, and leaves large gaps between those that they do offer. Otherwise, this is a very nice machine that packs a virtually full-size tub into very compact dimensions that can fit under a standard countertop.

I "recently" found a laminated sheet from Bosch that has a breakdown of all cycle temps and cycle lengths in table format, including how much longer each additional feature will take (for instance, "presoak" will add 30 min to any cycle, "rinse plus" will add 7-10 min. depending on the program selected). I don't know if this type of sheet is available for the newer washers? I wasn't doing my laundry properly, wasn't happy with the machine, but after finding this sheet and using more of the cycles, I'm enjoying the machine.

Anyway, on my machine the following temps are listed, whether run on cotton, perm. press, etc.

Cold 60 F
Warm 95 F
HOt 125 F
Temp. Boost 150 F (cotton cycle only)
Sanitary cycle 155 F
Active Wear 85 F
Delicates 90 F
Hand Wash 75 F
Wool 80 F

Barbara