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Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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Posted by ctreno (My Page) on Fri, Jan 29, 10 at 11:00
| We are considering moving our washer & dryer up from basement into a second floor bathroom since we are remodeling bath and practically the whole house. When we bought the house 10 years ago, that's where the laundry was, but we moved it to basement. So all the plumbing, electric, etc is already there.
The machines we have now are not the ones that came with house since those died, but they are not so old - 8 yrs for TL washer and 5 yrs for dryer. We, architect and builder have measured, and they will fit, but barely. If they don't end up fitting and/or I decide or need to replace, is there any reason with the greater vibration of FL not to put in a tight space or on a 2nd floor? I wouldn't want an apartment size one because I like being able to wash large bedspreads, duvet covers, etc. which my Maytag FL workhorse can handle.
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RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| I am on my second sent of FL for the second floor. First GE set was TERRIBLE; the vibrations felt like the house was going to crumble. Just got the Samsung 328 set last weekend. I've done about 10 loads and am A LOT happier. The VRT technology seems to be for real. Don't expect no noise, though. Any washer and dryer on a second floor is going to make some noise and vibration. I'm just glad the pendant lights over my island no longer rattle in unison with the spin cycle! |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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I just ordered front loader set today for second floor, and went through the same questions. With the information I could gather, today we had a carpenter put glue and screw 3/4 inch plywood onto the floor. It is recommended to screw into the joists. Also, I have purchased a "Horse mat" such as described in the following article, which is a thick heavy rubber mat that will sit under both the washer and dryer. I'll have extra so why not put it under both. I found a tac shop and the mat was $50. Very heavy! Check out #5 in article below- we'll see how it works! http://www.ehow.com/how_2117220_reduce-vibrations-washer-dryer.html |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| A few years ago we tried a Kenmore HE? FL on the second floor in a laundry "closet" without any floor modifications and it was very loud! Returned that set at got the then-new Kenmore Oasis (TL) which we hate! Over time the washer has become every bit as loud as the FL was. So I'm wondering if in the past couple of years anything has changed to make FL workable on the 2nd floor. If so when we can swap those out we might try again. Otherwise we will have to find a TL we like and haven't had much luck with that! |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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If you have access to the beams below the floor on the floor below(you have not renovated the room below), you should add some 2x4's across the beams a couple of feet apart. This will add structural integrity to your floor above. Most houses are constructed to the bare minimum building codes which IMHO leave the joists too far apart, which does not include the necessity to withstand a 250lb oscillating monster. Most builders also use just a nail gun everywhere and the nails are far too apart on the floor boards. In areas that are designated to be heavy items that move like washer/dryers, they really should be screwing in the floor. It's hard to blame the manufacturers of washing machines and dryers for this problem...I tend to blame poor/shoddy construction and low building code requirements. Someone else recommended putting some 3/4" sheets of plywood down below the washer/dryer and screwing them to the floor below. This should also work very well if you cannot add in support below(perhaps do both). LIP2000 |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| I posted the following for a "Subject" title, but I will also post it here, as it addresses a possible solution regarding vibration. I copied and pasted: "Here’s what we did to solve the noise and vibration problem. I can’t take credit for this solution as we read this solution in another review and tried it and it worked for us. I am VERY grateful I found the solution on the Internet. We have a weak floor that vibrated & the washer on spin cycle would travel around the floor due to the vibration. Leveling the washer was NOT enough to stop this problem. We had a local lumberyard cut us three 1"x12" solid oak boards to place on the floor as a solid base for our washer and dryer. We also put a stall mat on top of these boards. A stall mat comes in 4’x6’ dimensions and is ¾ inches thick. It’s made of an extremely dense rubber material (one of these mats will weigh 100 pounds or more). The stall mats are available anywhere farm materials are sold. Sometimes they are called cow mats, or horse mats or even barn mats. They are made to cushion the floor for a horse or cow (and can withstand the wear and tear of 1400+ pounds of animal and their hooves and waste each day so they’re VERY durable). I bought ours for less than $40 so it’s NOT an expensive solution. You can cut the mat to size with a common utility knife. Just lift the edge of the mat and cut the proper width. It’s not difficult. Once the washer and dryer are placed on this solid base, you won’t have ANY problems with vibration or noise. Even an apartment installation would be adequate to dampen vibration to those below the apartment. It works great. The base looks professional too if you make it to the exact size of the washer/dryer combo" Hope this helps someone! This is what I'm doing for install 2cnd floor next week. |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| I don't have a 2nd floor to worry about but did find this link from Electrolux |
Here is a link that might be useful: Second Floor Guarantee
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| The Electrolux Second Floor Guarantee applies if "there is washer movement in excess of 1 inch". 1 inch seems like a lot, especially an inch of up-and-down shaking, the direction that's of concern for front-loaders. Like, enough to damage your house if it's allowed to continue. So, I don't think this guarantee has much value. And if you do manage to invoke the guarantee, "Additional charges for de-installation and removal of the Electrolux washer and corresponding Electrolux dryer purchased at the same time for which you invoke the 2nd Floor Vibration Guarantee may apply." |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| Do all the above suggestion hold true on second floor for top loaders as well? We have a TL and were considering an FL so we could put shelf above, but now I think we are going to move W/D to another location - but still second floor. Our house is a 1926 stucco with lots of concrete in between floors. The room under consideration would be an original room - the walls are open so we can easily add the plumbing and electric, but right now it has the original wood floor. Would I leave that floor and put something over or remove floor and put something over? What would be the best kind of floor to have in that room? |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| ctreno, concrete in between floors! Wow! Your house must be built like a tank! Lucky you! I would leave the floors and do a 3/4 inch slab of plywood screwed down over your hard wood for both dryer and washer to sit on, and have a carpenter put down some quarter-round to finish it off where it meets your hard wood. That's what I did over my hardwood floors in my second floor laundry room. Because of the noise that we currently get from our top loader/dryer set, I am anticipating the worst with the new front loader set that is coming soon, so I will also be putting down a 3/4 inch horse pad as I mentioned above. If it doesn't work, I don't know what will. The top loader I'm replacing on the second floor has made an awful humming sound throughout the entire cycle. I'm hoping the new front loader will be much more quiet! I have read some reports of the front loaders being more quiet on the second floor than the top loaders when the floor is reinforced, and the machine is balanced. If you don't want to do the thick horse mat, another good option is to go to a place where they sell treadmills, etc, and get one of those mats that fits under exercise equipment. I think they cost more than a horse mat though, and not nearly as thick. You could try without the plywood since you have concrete and do the thick pad...could probably cut it so it wouldn't show because I think the legs of most washers and dryers come in about 3 or 4 inches from the front and back of the machine. Not sure. |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| We put stacking Samsung 448's in our second floor bathroom. They are GREAT. Very little (almost none) vibration. Would recommend them. |
RE: Is FL bad idea on a second floor?
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| I have the Bosch Vision 500 washer/dryer on our second floor. No noise, no vibration. I purchased it primarily because of the "Aqua Stop" washer and hose system. I have a drain in the floor but I feel very secure with the new technology. Even at the highest spin speed there is no vibration, and our pantry is underneath. |
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