Thankyou so much for your imput.This really helped me. I thought this was something else I needed to follow and all it was saying was what I had already done. I have since yesturday read further patterns with similar writing and now I am able to understand what it means. I am working on a square right now that tells me to dc in the next ch 2 sp, and because of your e-mails I understand. Thanx again!