Hi Kids, Sorry, I did not think to include the link. Thank you, enjoyingspring for taking care of my error. sooey

Kathi...it's been there all week....I posted about it...sorry you didn't see it and missed out playing all week. I imagine it will be gone tomorrow. I'll miss it...what's the next Holiday?

I think the choice of how one trains a climber is a personal decision, based on individual taste. You might get more laterals on a cane trained more horizontally, but a fan-shape might just look more graceful in some situations (it mimics the shape of an arching rose bush left wild more closely than one trained strictly horizontally). There is no one way to do this, which makes things more interesting! When training a rose in a fan shape, I'd focus on getting the fan wide enough to get the canes at an angle -- not letting them be "mostly vertical" as you state above. Does that make sense? The trellis is just a support -- the rose itself doesn't have to exactly follow the lines of the trellis.

If you have the room go ahead and spread it out for more bloom. Find something, a trellis or obelisk, to tie it too. Start bending those canes early when they are very young and flexible and short. As they grow out keep bending them in the direction you want. You have to keep at it consistently as the cane grows. Once it has hardened off it's too late. Your roses and photos are gorgeous!