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Note to ppl who complain about ppl buying steak with foodstamps

Posted by lazypup (lazypup@yahoo.com) on
Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 12:57

Every time I go to the grocery store there is some illiterate fool who comments about us buying steak with a foodstamp card. Allow me give you some education.....

First of all,,Food Stamps is not funded by welfare money, it is a farm subsidy funded by the department of agriculture. Years ago the Federal Government began the farm subsidy by buying up surplus agricultural products and storing them at the taxpayers expense until they could find a market for them, or they simply rotted in storage.

They then began a Federal Program to process some of those commodities into finished foodstuffs and packaged in brown paper bags or cans with white labels that said "Commodities". The government was then storing those products in warehouses and it usually ended up being sent overseas as relief aid, so add to the cost of the food, the taxpayers also paid the shipping and handling cost. In the late 40's the government began dispensing some of that excess through the local welfare systems to help the poor, thus once a month poor ppl were given a10# bag of flour, rice,and sugar as well as canned beef, canned chicken and sometimes a 3lb block of cheese. But now in addition to the wholesale cost of the food, the govt was paying for the processing & canning, special packaging and storage & distribution.

In the late 60's the govenment realized they could issue coupon books to poor ppl, which could be used in the grocery store and the goventment could save the processing,storage and handling of surplus foods, because the surplus that was going to the welfare system would now go into the normal grocery processing stream. Changing to the foodstamp coupons also made it possible for the poor ppl to buy items not previously available under the commodities program, so they could be afforded a healthier diet while still retaining the farm subsidy.

Now let us consider how much the foodstamp recipient actually receives? First off, the federal govenment gives the foodstamp moneys and the Medicare monies to each state, and the states in turn set their own levels for individual qualification.

Here in the State of Massachusetts our minimum wage is now $10/hr ($1,600/mo) and the state poverty level is set at $1150.

My Soc.Sec pension is less than the state poverty level so I qualify for the maximum amount of foodstamps, $200mo.

Now lets break that down, there are 30 or 31 days in a month, and we normally eat 3 times a day so that is 90-93 meals a month so that allows me a budget of $2.15 to $2.22 cents per meal.Now believe it or not, I manage to eat rather high on the hog on that budget, but it ain't easy.

For a family, they receive $200 for the head of household, $150 for the spouse and $35 per child.

There are also program limits for ppl who are under employed to receive some food stamp assistance, In some cases its as little as $13/mo, it all depends on your circumstances.

Now let us take this to the next level. Not everyone you see swiping a foodstamp card is actually purchasing for themself. I have a foodstamp card, but I seldom go to the grocery store so I signed a special authorization form to have a second card issued to Jan as my authorized agent to purchase my food, and if you were to see here in the grocery you would see a huge cart loaded with high dollar foods, which are hers and she swipes her debit card, then she has them ring my items separately and she swipes the foodstamp card. And don't $itch if have a nice steak in my order, I have to eat a lot of Ramen noodles and peanut butter sandwiches to get a nice steak every other month or so..


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RE: Note to ppl who complain about ppl buying steak with foodstam

I have absolutely no problem with anyone on foodstamps buying steak. Actually, it doesn't matter much to me what people use their allotment for but it irks me to see people loading up their carts with cr@p food like chips, snack cakes, SunnyD and not buying any food with healthful qualities. I live in TN and I swear folks thing vegetables will make you sick.

Lazypup, enjoy your steak!! It's healthier for you than most things!!!


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I also feel as dees does. When I have been in a food bank line befoe it has mande me mad that people would complain about the brand,or take something and toss it cause they didn't like it, when they should just say no thanks. It has been many years since I needed help, but I did get a steak now and then as I could make a stew, soup or dish for less and feed the 6 of us. Thank you for the lesson that a lot of people just don't know. Oh! and also rember what you can't get, like tooth paste, tp. and soap to wash your clothes.


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I don't care what they buy either. What I HATE are the people that sell their cards for pennies on the dollar to jerky awful people using them to make illegal bucks. That sucks.


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I'm another who doesn't care what people spend their allotment on. I am grateful I haven't needed that kind of help. I wish people were better educated about food, but I understand that not everyone can make the healthiest decisions. I think it is easier to tell your child no chips, they're not good for you when you have money than it is to give that reason in a poor family to a kid who knows there isn't money for extras.


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For the life of me, I don't know what makes anybody think it's their business what another person eats, regardless of how they are paying for their food.

I would tell those people to shut their pie hole. :)


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I don't know why anyone would care - or comment about - what other people buy at the grocery store, and how they pay for it. Respect and kindness for others should be the norm, not criticism or rudeness.


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Kat-Wa...That notion that ppl are selling their foodstamp cards is an urban myth...BAck in the days of food stamp coupons you got a new coupon book or two each month and it was easy to sell them, but now they have all gone to the State assistance cards and you only get one card when you first sign up. Not only does that card hande your food stamps but it also has your medicaide or medicare assistance funds, it also has any cash disbursements you may be entitled to such as aid for children, utility assistance or rent assistance.

The card is carried and used in the same manner as a debit card, after you swipe the card you have to input a PIN number.

When your new monthly bennefit is posted it is placed in your account electronically the same as auto deposite at a bank, and you continue to use the same card. In fact, I have had my card for almost 3 yrs.

Even if someone was stupid enough to sell their card, it would be worthless without the PIN number, and if they were to declare it lost or stolen the state begins an instant watch on the account. If so much as one transaction is made after the date you declare it was lost or stolen, the account is frozen and you cannot get any further assistance for 6months.


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One steak probably wouldn't bother me. I used to work in a grocery store where I had a front row seat to what people buy with food stamps. I was humbled by some of what I saw. I am deeply jaded by other things. There are huge abuses of the system by some people. I personally would like the system to be more like WIC in that food stamps could only be limited to healthier foods with decent nutritional value.


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I also forgot to mention,,any time you use the card the cashier has the right to ask for a picture ID to confirm its your card...if you cannot produce a picture ID he/she can hit one button on their register and it locks the card and your account, then you have to take the card and your ID to the welfare office to activate it again.

Add to that, in many of our larger grocery stores they have off duty cops working store security during the first week of the month when the welfare disbursements come out. If the cashier hits the button it flags the cop and they will arrest you for attempted welfare fraud on the spot.

in Massachusetts welfare fraud is punishable by up to 5yrs and according to the court record published in our paper they make about 200 arrests a month in this area.


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I worked @ a grocery store 2 years ago...I thought it would be a fun part time retirement job with Union benefits. Wrong! But lets not talk about THAT.

What I saw were people buying $90 of crab, returning it the next day, the grocrey store has to throw out any non-canned food that's left the store....then wanted a CASH refund.

Also...I did not have the ability to "lock" a card.

Lazypup.....eat your steak in peace, that's not what people are complaining about. And no....it's NOT an urban myth that people cash in their cards....I saw THAT being done also.....and no....our store security only handled shoplifting...not food stamp fraud.

Ie...A person would ask you to give them $100 cash and they would buy you $125 worth of food on their card. That's how the fraud is perpetrated.


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How does anyone even know if you're using a food stamp card? I think I'm a pretty observant person and I have never detected anyone using a special card. Of course, I don't pay attention to how they pay, as it's not my business. Is a food stamp card really obvious?


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Where Does Money For Food Stamps Come From?

Food Stamps

The idea of food stamps, otherwise known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), was initially created to help those who are struggling financially and in need of food to eat. Those who qualify for this subsidy program receive a small plastic card and are able to use it at participating grocery stores as well as other places just like a credit card.

How are Food Stamps Funded?

The money that funds this program essentially comes out of the economy, which is to say that it comes from the people in the form of income taxes. There are many different programs which are funded this way, such as subsidized housing which helps those who do not have a place to live. The money for food stamps comes from other taxes as well, including excise taxes, gift taxes, corporate income taxes, and estate taxes; all of these help to pay for programs like food stamps that help out those who are in need in one way or another.

The government pays for all of the money that is needed to give people food stamps to use, meaning that there are direct expenses for those who are the beneficiaries of this type of assistance. The USDA is responsible for funding around half of the program and the government covers the rest of the expenses.

When it comes to the actual costs of the actual benefits, the federal tax payers are the ones that are responsible for giving people who are in need food to eat through this program. The total cost of the institution which runs around $5.5 billion per year is split between both local and state taxpayers.

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I don't care what you eat either. But I get tired of supporting lazy a$$ people who are perfectly capable of working but won't. A client was just in here recently bi*ching that her unemployment ran out. She got a job, but she'll lose her food stamps, day care assistance (why do you get day care funds if you're not working?), housing assistance, public energy assistance, and some other program. Her plan is "well, I only have to work for six months to build my unemployment bank back up" so she can "lose" her job and start all over again. Seriously? Who raises these people? Oh, yeah, generations of families living off the system!

rant over


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Flamingo.... here in Colorado it's a Visa credit card with a picture of the Rocky Mountains on it. Which is NOT like any other VISA credit card I've ever seen. They tell the cashier it's an EBT card so the cashier can enter a code which then allows the register to accept the card as THAT type of credit card. The casual observer would NOT know your using a "food stamp card" until they hear you say "EBT" to the cashier. Thus NO one is looking at you strangely.

Years ago my sister quit her job to get food stamps and go on welfare while she went to college for her nursing degree, which was also paid for by the govt., because she was poor.

I know a woman who just purchased a very expensive SLR camera, who is unemployeed. I told her the place I'm working is hiring several hundred new hires. She said she wasn't interested in working until her unemployment ran out.......and it never has in the 2 years I've known her.


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After just having written out a hefty quarterly income tax check, this irks me. Not food stamps for the legitimately needy, but the abuse. I wish I were one of the 47% who don't pay taxes and have things handed to them. For the record, Lazy, I'm not ranting at you. Hope you get a nice juicy steak and enjoy it.


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The current food stamp program is unlike what was the original farm subsidy. I doubt our farmers see any benefit whatsoever. Working in a grocery store, you will see lots of use that is questionable, that's all. Certainly not all.


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I absolutely believe in food stamps, etc....whatever kind of aid, for people who need it and are trying in even some small way to do their part. Anything. Volunteer somewhere ... whatever. But I do rail against the raging abuse.

Lazypup, I, too, live in Massachusetts and am aware of people selling/trading their food stamp benefits.

I simply would like a random "thank you" for my tax dollars going to support those who choose not to work (CHOOSE - don't flame me) but could do something, keep popping out kids (one "friend" recently commented to me about how wonderful Massachusetts programs are for her unwed (never married) daughter who chose to have two children and not work - - - she is around 30 and competely able bodied), etc. Arghhh. I did say to that friend that it is because of the Massachusetts taxpayers, like me, who are paying for her daughter to do that. She was aghast - said it was the government paying for it - not us.

UGH.


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RE: Note to ppl who complain about ppl buying steak with foodstam

I'd rather see you buy steak than junk food.

I'm just wondering why you would want to share the fact that you are on foodstamps?


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Bottom line is, "there's no free lunch"!! Somebody's paying!

Whistle


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I absolutely believe in food stamps, etc....whatever kind of aid, for people who need it and are trying in even some small way to do their part. Anything. Volunteer somewhere ... whatever. But I do rail against the raging abuse.

Lazypup, I, too, live in Massachusetts and am aware of people selling/trading their food stamp benefits.

I simply would like a random "thank you" for my tax dollars going to support those who choose not to work (CHOOSE - don't flame me) but could do something, keep popping out kids (one "friend" recently commented to me about how wonderful Massachusetts programs are for her unwed (never married) daughter who chose to have two children and not work - - - she is around 30 and competely able bodied), etc. Arghhh. I did say to that friend that it is because of the Massachusetts taxpayers, like me, who are paying for her daughter to do that. She was aghast - said it was the government paying for it - not us.

UGH.


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Sorry - no idea why that posted twice.


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Lazypup, I'd never criticize your diet or choice of foods. And like was said above, I don't have any idea who is using the program and who is not, there's a lot of card swiping going on at the grocery stores these days, debit, credit, gift cards - I'm usually too busy loading my own purchases on the counter to pay any attention to the method of payment the person in front of me is using.

OT - I've had months where I couldn't afford a really good steak each all around the table, but I could buy one very nice steak, cook, slice thinly and add it to sauteed mushrooms, onions, make darned good roll-ups out of it with a salad on the side and everyone satisfied :)

But there must be ways to abuse the program and of course that is offensive, both to those of us who use it, and those of us who don't but expect it to go where there is actual need - as in this one that made the papers just a few months back...

Imagine how many children for example this theft could have fed....

Here is a link that might be useful: Food stamp scam


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I have the same question as Flamingo--how does anyone know you're using that or a debit/credit card? I think using the "credit card" is a lot better than the demoralizing food stamps. Those were an embarrassment, if you ask me.

Everyone goes through some difficult times in their life and some need more help than others. I'm ashamed of anyone who would deny your right for a steak once in a while. And I also think it's awful that you are unable to purchase TP, soap, etc., but you are allowed soda. They need to get back to the drawing board in that area.

Since you aren't the one in the grocery line, I guess Jan had to listen to the crapola. So sorry for her!


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Okay, I have no idea how they were doing it but last year when we were in the State of New Mexico the police raided several flea markets where they were trafficing in food stamp cards, selling them to whoever had the price. Again I don't know how the people did it nor what the price for an illegal card was but the article in the Sun-News said it was a rampant problem.


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Allow me give you some education.....

I have to say that sort of tone doesn't exactly make me want to soak up what's coming next.

But as for the steak issue, it's hard to believe anyone could resent a food stamp holder buying a piece of beef. Filet mignon, maybe, but even then they should keep their mouths shut.

My issue is parents who load up their carts with chips, sweets, and soda. It really bothers me. But I don't say anything.


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lazypup - It is easy to sell part of a card by the seller giving his PIN number to the buyer then waiting outside the store while the buyer makes the purchases then pays the seller the agreed upon amount, usually half of the worth of the card's value, and returns the card.

I know a family who participates in this on a regular basis and I will try to keep it straight while trying to tell you why the system is blatantly abused here, if not everywhere.

Mother of 4 adult children - Has occasionally received them illegally herself by not reporting income.

Child A - (26)Adult male, married with a 6 yr old boy but separated for over 5 yrs from wife. Father of 2 yr old and lives with baby mom, illegally in her HUD apartment. (Ex-wife and Ex MIL do drugs.) He and girlfriend/baby mama do drugs and get foodstamps and he sells his for drugs. They eat with his mom or "shop" from her kitchen for food. GF/BM gives her FS to her mom and dad who do drugs. He works for cash when he can find a job.

Adult child B - (24) responsible female who works but occasionally buys FS for her elderly grandmother.

Adult child C - (22) Male who can't find decent employment because he holds 5 felonies. He, his girlfriend and their 2 yr old son live with his mother. He gets FS and she gets them for herself and baby and they usually keep them. The gf/bm works so gets a reduced amount. He gets max. amount but never reports income when he does find work.

Adult child (19) - works so doesn't receive stamps although his Mom got them for him for a while.

There are 4 sisters to the Mother and they all either get stamps and sell them or buy them illegally. They all have children who, like the original family, have some who do drugs and get/buy/sell stamps.

The abuse runs rampant with many families similar to this.


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Lazypup... it is not an urban myth. it happens all the time.
thank you Morz for linking that story,,, it happens all the time, Lazy. and it irritates the heck out of me! Maybe I shouldn't have said "selling" but that is basically what
they are doing.

Here is a link that might be useful: food card fraud


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I heard on the news today that there will be a cut in the farm subsidy program because of the drought situation.Lots of farmers are not even planting crops,therefore no surplus.Bad situation for those families that really depend on food stamps to help feed their families.I have no problem with anyone buying a steak with food stamps either.What gets me riled is,as others have mentioned,people who have baskets full of junk food and sodas.
And people who buy groceries with food stamps and fill another basket full of beer and smokes and pay cash for it.If they have that kind of money they need to spend it on groceries!


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Good Lord. Every child has the right to have junk food from time to time. Why would anyone recent a child having chips in his lunch bag, whether paid with food stamps or not? My kids always bought their lunch at school, but my grandson took an orange or pear and a bag of chips every day.

When my grandson lived with us we received food stamps for him in the amount of $36 a month. I'm not quite sure how they came by that amount, if it was strictly by our income or if we qualified for it because he was a grandchild. I applied for Medicaid for him and I think that's when we got the food stamps.

Yes, it was a debit card but it was quite embarrassing sometimes to use, because people ARE so judgemental. You had to tell the cashier that it was EBT and it showed EBT on the register read-out thingy.

I hope I'm never in a position that I need public assistance in order to survive.

Here's a question, though.... I have no doubt that there are people that abuse the system by selling their food stamps just like you guys are talking about. The question is, if this is so rampant, exactly how are these people eating? I can't believe that these people can do this on a regular basis.


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Lazypup, I gotta hand it you. You really strirred up a conversation.


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Sorry the so called 'urban myth" re: selling their food stamps to get cash to buy drugs is real. I work with a woman who does it.
When working families have to be frugal with their grocery purchasees it irritates me to no end when I see peopele with their EBT cards buying things my family cannot afford.
Taxpayers are footing the bill remember..the government is us !!!!


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RE: Note to ppl who complain about ppl buying steak with foodstam

Here, you don't have to say a word to the cashier.
You run your card through the reader just like you would
your charge card or debit card. You simply push the
ebt button, debit button, charge button. I have no idea
who is using what card. And I would NEVER chastise anyone
for their choices. It's a free society, eat what you want.
Well, it's free for a while anyway. The government is
sure trying to legislate what we choose to eat. IE,
SanFrancisco and New York. Coming to a city near you! lol


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The question was raised as to why I would openly admit I get food stamps..well, let me elaborate a bit.

When I moved from Ohio to Massachusetts two years ago Jan informed me that it is a state law that all residents of Mass must have health insurance.

I checked with a couple health insurance companies and on my pension they were cost prohibitive. One day I happened to be at the local senior center and a lady came in and gave a seminar on how seniors can get affordable insurance. She noted that the state offered a number of programs based upon your income. After the meeting she stayed and answered individual questions for a while so I aaked her what I might qualify for.

When I told her how much my social security pension was she said I qualified for Medicare through soc.sec. and a 100% copay through MassHealth. (I have a $2 copay on prescriptions up to a max of $150/yr) and whe made an appointment for me to go to the welfare office to sign up.

I told her I didn't really like the idea of signing up for welfare, but she says, "Don't look at it like that, you worked hard for 50yrs and paid your taxes off the top every week, you are not asking for welfare, you are only asking to get back some of what you paid into the fund, it's your money, why not use it?".

The next day I went and signed up, and they issued me a "Baystate Acces Card" and told me that was my state medical card. As I was about to leave the lady asked me to wait a minute, she had something else she had to check....

Five minutes later she says my pension was $25 under the cutoff for foodstamps for seniors, so I was qualified for a %100 dibursemt as an individual, which means I get $200 a month in food stamps on the same card. Now, in the official words from the welfare system,,,,,"It is not welfare, it is my money, I earned it, I paid it faithfully for 50 years and now I have opportunity to share the wealth instead of some young lazy layabout who refuses to work...with that,,,I am not the least embarrassed by taking it.

In fact, if I was to have Jan write me a lease for living here, I could also qualify for a cash disbursement to assist paying my rent & utilities.


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Good Lord. Every child has the right to have junk food from time to time. Why would anyone recent a child having chips in his lunch bag, whether paid with food stamps or not?

I said "load up their carts," Moonie, and I mean that literally. I often see carts filled to the brim with nothing but processed foods, grease, starch, and sweets, and the bottom of the cart filled with soda. No fruits, no vegetables, nothing fresh in sight. I think these people are doing their children a huge disservice.


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I've read this with interest. I lived in an area where the store I shopped at drew many food stamp people. Some I would have liked to compliment because they were buying healthful products and very little "junk."

Others I would have liked to educate, as I truly wondered if they knew anything about nutrition. It led me to believe that there should be classes in proper nutrition for new food stamp users. I'd have been glad to volunteer as an instructor.

Aside from that, I'd like to tell the story of a young therapist who came into our home (not a food stamp user)I offered her a piece of homemade lemon pie which she enjoyed. She asked how I made a pie. I told her that first I squeezed the juice of a lemon. Her eyebrows went up and she said "REALLY!!!!" She had never seen anyone make a pie, much less squeeze a lemon.

So. it takes all kinds!


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I've read this with interest. I lived in an area where the store I shopped at drew many food stamp people. Some I would have liked to compliment because they were buying healthful products and very little "junk."

Others I would have liked to educate, as I truly wondered if they knew anything about nutrition. It led me to believe that there should be classes in proper nutrition for new food stamp users. I'd have been glad to volunteer as an instructor.

Aside from that, I'd like to tell the story of a young therapist who came into our home (not a food stamp user)I offered her a piece of homemade lemon pie which she enjoyed. She asked how I made a pie. I told her that first I squeezed the juice of a lemon. Her eyebrows went up and she said "REALLY!!!!" She had never seen anyone make a pie, much less squeeze a lemon.

So. it takes all kinds!


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Lazypup, you did earn the right to food stamps.
The people that piss me off are the 20 year olds with their babies is tow getting food stamps, how about get a job. They have earned nothing.
Twenty years ago when my son was 8 and my daughter was 2 and I was newly divorced and getting no child support, I had a full time job, but I was struggling to pay my bills and get by, going on the advice given to me by co-workers and friends who knew how I was struggling I went and signed up for food stamps, I made $62 a month to much to qualify for the food stamp program. REALLY. So instead, and because I didn't want my kids to go hungry, I got a second job, yay me. We got through it, but this system is as screwed up as every other system that the government has their hand in.
What really pisses me off too is that a friend of mine has a 30 year old daughter who has 4 children and is divorced, she does get child support, food stamps, her HUD housing a sort of rent to own program for a house in a good neighborhood, her house payment is $46 dollars a month and they pay $75 a month for her electric bill and she has a free cell phone with 200 minutes on it -for emergencies-. What???? Get a job. She is 30, I am 50. I work everyday, she will never work and at the end of our days she will have as much to show for her life as I do except that she would have gotten to spend more time with her children while they were growing up than I ever did.


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A friends daughter sells her food stamps, so I agree that it happens. You are right Lazypup, you paid your dues by working all your life. Buy whatever you want! Its the young people who have no intention of working that irritates people. Benefits running low these days-pop out another kid.


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I worked as a cashier in the grocery store here and there was one family that really made me mad to check out.
They would have about 20 pkgs of T-bone steak every month. They had 4 small children that were pretty skinny. I just always thought they could have gotten more bang for the buck if they had bought more hamburger or chicken. I thought that could have gone further to feed those kids.

Besides that I couldn't afford t-bones.


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As far as the junk food goes...as someone who works with very low income folks, part of the problem is a genuine lacking in life skills, such as cooking.

I have taught cooking classes at my job, and I am always shocked on how little some of our folks here know how to cook. They can usually make a sandwich or open a can of soup, but that's the extent of it. I have a few older ladies on my caseload who can cook real food, but they are the exception.

Most of my clients (who almost all receive food stamps due to being disabled) live off of microwave meals, boxed meals, and food in cans. Their baskets would probably look pretty full of junk too because junk food is easy. And you can bet that on payday, some of them go over to McDonalds up the road to get a cheeseburger.

You can't just give money/food stamps/etc to some people and expect them to make good choices and better skills than they may have. They need to be taught to make better choices. Most people just do the best they know how. It's easier to do what you've always done than to make big changes.

There will always be people who get what they can and abuse systems, but it really bothers me when people generalize this behavior to ALL people in a group, when it is actually a minority.


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It's not just the low-income people who are uninformed about nutrition (or, more likely, don't care). Yesterday the young woman next to me on the check-out line was very attractive and well dressed. I couldn't believe the crap that was in her cart! I thought, Enjoy your beautiful figure while you can, honey. You're not gonna look that way for long.


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,,,,,"It is not welfare, it is my money, I earned it, I paid it faithfully for 50 years and now I have opportunity to share the wealth instead of some young lazy layabout who refuses to work...with that,,,I am not the least embarrassed by taking it.

I guess I'd like to know what wealth it is you're speaking of sharing.....last I knew this country was in big economic trouble. Caused partly because we let to many people on the "system".....NOT speaking of you or people in your situation. Like a lot of others have said, it's people who are able bodies....having more and more kids they can't afford just so that they can collect more $$.

In the mean time, my dh & I have work 2-3 jobs each to keep food on our table. Frustrating!


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I thought at one time there was a law on the books about the length of time one could remain on the welfare system, if it was established that those people were capable of working for a wage. Why are generations of people allowed to remain on taxpayer assistance, when it's obviously being abused? Are the laws not tough enough in this country on abusers?
It is frustrating for those of us who see it happen. It can't help but curb our enthusiasm for compassion.


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Someone asked what do people eat who are on food stamps that sell their food stamps. I know several people who are on food stamps and in this instance, they are all on drugs. So they sell or trade for drugs. They also go to the food pantries and get free food, and they also will work on the side for cash. And people who use drugs are not very interested in their health anyway.

I am not criticizing anyone who is on food stamps. And I don't care what you buy with them. I do understand the frustration of someone having to work two or three jobs to keep food on the table, while others don't work and have have multiple children and seem to skate by.

We have just spent a year with no income to speak of...and while not on food stamps, we have sure eaten a lot of fish (from the bayou). Fortunately, we had a full freezer of food when we started out.


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I don't think lazypup, or anyone, needs to justify accepting benefits, food stamps, medicaid, afdc, whatever, by pointing out the $$$ they've put into the system.

If your income or lack thereof qualifies you for food stamps or any other benefit, it doesn't matter if you've paid in a zillion dollars or if you never paid in a nickel.

Many people were born with disabilities or they sustained injuries or suffered health problems before they ever held a job.

Although they didn't pay into the system, they're entitled to its benefits.


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Thank goodness we have help available for people who need it. That's the point:...for people who need it!
Can you imagine the money this country could use, if abuse of the system were curtailed? I always marvel at the blatant "thumbing of the nose" at the system. Where is the outrage in abuse , and not just of welfare, but of insurance abuse?


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My own sister gets BETTER medical care and little to NO co-pays on State Medicaid than I do and I still pay...as a retiree....nearly $500 a month in medical insurance between Medicare Part B and Blue Cross/Blue Shield. NEITHER of those are income-based. She can also get NAME BRAND medicine. I can't. She has seldom or never worked. DH and I worked 40 plus years each. Just sayin' ..... Oh yeah, I believe when you add up ALL her monthly benefits, her monthly income might well be higher than mine.


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Haven't figured out why some get so much in food stamps and others so little, especially the elderly.
My elderly brothers moved from CA to MO in '94 so I could watch out for them. Moved them into a small mobile home and signed them up for Medicaid. One was 74 and the other 64. The one 74 was recently discharged from a nursing home and needed help with personal hygiene and I shopped for their groceries, paid their bills, etc. The younger one helped to look out for his DB and did a little cooking.
Their combined income was approximately $1000/month. VA pension for the older one and SS and SSI for the younger one.

Signing them up for food stamps was informed they had to keep their food separately for both to get food stamps, and it was the booklet at this time, before the EBT cards.
Told them that no their food wasn't separate, one refrigerator, and a couple of cupboards. Well, if they couldn't keep their food separate, only one could get food stamps!!! And, what did that one get.......$17/month....that wasn't worth filling out all the paperwork.

DD and family had to go on foodstamps quite a few years ago for a few months when her DH was out of work. She was flabbergasted at how much they got as she was always a very frugal shopper and they were giving her nearly twice as much as she was used to spending for their family of four.

Mind boggling how the system works.


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Another food stamp abuse that really ticks me off is college students getting food stamps. All 4 of my kids worked throughout college (and took out loans) and we helped them out financially. None of them starved and none of them got food stamps. (And they all got Bachelors degrees and 1 got a Masters.) What has happened to the concept of -- GASP! --being responsible for yourself?


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I am always bewildered at the amount of rage <--> irritation there is directed in usually a blanket fashion to the underprivileged who received welfare or some form of public assistance. Compare that to the amount of corporate welfare which get barely a blip on most's radar screen.


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It was meant for people who need temporary assistance, or purposeful need.,not generations worth! As stated before, we are lucky to have such programs. But the abuse is not very well controlled.
Corporate abuse is a whole other issue. Stealing is stealing.


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Donna, I agree with you about how hard it is for the elderly to get food stamps. My mother had a friend who applied and she got $16. Another elderly man I know was turned down. They both just got social security. I asked a couple of people I know who are reasonably healthy and not that old....how did you get them? This is basically the answer they both told me..."Lie like a dog." If you are an illegal alien, you can get food stamps easier than if you are elderly. They even have ads of tv here telling them to sign up.

I am not opposed to needy people getting food stamps. But the abuse is rampant. One in six people are now on food stamps or some form of government assistance. It's wonderful that so many people can be helped...but this can't go on forever.


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I agree with you, Bee. It almost seems like there's such a reverence for huge companies that anything they wanna do is A-ok. It's theft from the rest of us, just like the few bad apples abusing food stamps, but on a much, much bigger scale!


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"It was meant for people who need temporary assistance, or purposeful need.,not generations worth!"

If it's for "temporary assistance", what're you going to do with the people who never will be able to support themselves due to bad health or disability?

As far as "generations worth", it's just as Kayjones said in the other thread;
people know only what they experience.

Breaking the cycle of dependence requires education, support, encouragement.

& I don't see a whole bunch of that.


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I just heard this quote from Herman Melville 1854 & it seems to apply even today, 2012:

Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed.


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One major difference between the American poor of 1854 and the 'poor' of 2012 is that a majority of the the current 'poor' have the basics of food, clothing, shelter and a free public education. The 'poor' of 2012 are comparatively wealthy to the poor of 1854.


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