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$3,000,000 Home-- Should Have Used This Site!

Posted by lsandler (My Page) on
Sat, Dec 15, 07 at 8:11

I went to a party last night at a $3,000,000, 8300 square foot home. The family built the house in 2005, with the assistance of an interior designer. The house is gorgeous! The kitchen was about 30 by 30, not including the eating area. Here's some observations about the kitchen:

white plastic outlet covers on cream colored island cabinets and backsplash

common granite--I've seen it many, many times

work triangle from one side of the kitchen to another--sink on one wall, refrig on the opposite wall, 30 feet away and stoves in the middle

If only they had used this site to plan and design this kitchen!!!


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RE: $3,000,000 Home-- Should Have Used This Site!

It's amazing that a home that expensive doesn't have a dream kitchen. Ohhhh, what we could have done if we had that kind of money to spend. Let's see....I'd start with this granite.

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organic_donna--now we are talking!! If they had used that granite in the kitchen, I would not have even noticed the white plastic outlet covers!!

That granite is breathtaking!


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Do you like this one, it's called Lapis Lazuri. It's actually the gemstone and in person it's breathtaking.
Donna


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Heck, if they had used the Lapis Lazuli, I would have not even noticed the rest of the house!!!

Jewelry indeed for the kitchen!


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Donna, is that Ibere Prado? It looks like an exaggerated version of one of my dream granites. It's hard to tell though, I have copies of online granite, backsplash tile, and cabinet pictures taped on my existing kitchen wall but they are kind of mottled.

Isander, I don't have a 3,000,000 dollar home, but I do have a newish kitchen with no counter space, cheesy countertops and a very bad layout in a home that's 4,000 sf under roof. I once used a restroom in a horrible public building in an unsafe area of town. The restroom stalls and sink area were all done with the same laminate that I have as countertops. My kitchen is an outhouse!


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Oh, that top ones not Ibere Prado it looks simular to Ibere Golden Extra my "real" fav, but thats not it either. What is that stone?


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I spelled it wrong it's Lapis Lazuli, see the slab below. Price wise, it was double the cost of Azul Bahia.

Here is a link that might be useful: Lapus Lazuli


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Guys - just because a kitchen has common granite doesn't make it bad or ugly. Mabey the OWNERS like it and don't give a rat's ^%*$& what you or the bloggers think is worthy of 3 million. And just because it's not your dream kitchen doesn't make it theirs.

Re: work triangle, this is an antiquated design notion from the June Cleaver era when most housewives stayed home and did the cooking in a galley style kitchen in the zillions of ranches and split levels of the era. Don't get me wrong it's a good and efficient system, but America has morphed to a different lifestyle. Gone are the wifey in the kitchen slaving away, galleys have been replaced by open plans, and the triangle has/is being replaced by "work stations" that allow multiple cooks to do tasks at the same time.

In a 600sf kitchen the "triangle" wolud be so large that it would diminish it's value anyway. I'll bet there are multiple sinks, ref. and cooking stations in that kitchen which allows many family members to participate in the meal prep. It also allows staff or caterers plenty of room if that's the lifestyle.

Re: 3 million and everyone thinking they couyld go hog wild with this fancy granite and that wiz bang appliance and hand made cabinet pull. How much of the 3M was devoted to the kitchen? How much was the Land cost. You have to llok at the entire setup, On Sea Island near me, 3 million gets you a nice oceanfront lot and a tent. Bring your own coleman stove and cooler. In rural Alabama, 3 mil gets you 50 acres and stone clad manor house.


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Antss is correct - location has everything to do with the value of a $3mil home. My house, worth $530K in Southern California (last check on zillow.com), would be worth about $100K in my husband's small town in MO ... 2000 sf.

Wouldn't it also depend on the kitchen's owner, whether they really wanted a fancy kitchen?

I was surprised, when visiting my SIL in Missouri. She has a big 3000 sf home, but the kitchen is about the size of mine. I'm surprised that when they had the home built about 6 years ago, she didn't go for granite counter-tops - hers were laminate. When I asked, she said that they took a lot of polishing and she didn't want that. She LOVES to cook, a lot more than me!

DonnaR/CA


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"white plastic outlet covers on cream colored island cabinets and backsplash"

Since I have been thinking about outlets what is the alternatives?


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Also, some of the "common" granites are very functional - they don't require sealing or pampering and clean up easily.


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Well said antss!


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I totally agree with antss, particularly about opinions of other's decorating styles. Personally, I would never have either of the 2 posted here (or quite a few of the others that I've seen posted). Would I slam the person who had them? No way. I'm not that arrogant.

xoxox - classic accents.com has tons of metal tone outlet covers.


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Some of you take all the fun out of dreaming. We understand all about the cost of homes, land, and location. We just are saying what a dream kitchen we would like/expect in a 3K house.
Just calm down and have some fun dreaming.
Donna


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While I agree that everyone's taste in counter materials is different...

White plastic outlet covers?

Now that's just WRONG!

:-)

If I had a giant kitchen budget (instead of a miniscule one), my kitchen would still look basically the same as it is going to look. However, every detail in it would hopefully be top-o-the-line gorgeous (like nickel hinges for 20$ a pair instead of the $8 a pair I had to settle for (I needed about 20 pairs--for kitchen and beyond-- and the cost difference was large). My husband thought the hinges looked identical. But I could clearly see that the pricier ones had a lovely tapered ball tip, while the cheaper ones had a severe looking, ungraceful ball. So money can buy beautiful balls. I asked my husband, "What do you want? BeautifulBalls or UglyBalls?" I mean, it's one thing is no one ever SEES your balls. But I have inset cabinetry. That's the ball-eqivalent of a nudist camp!

Nickel faucet for $600 (easily ordered online) instead of identical chrome faucet found at the local plumbing supply store after a million phone calls and lots of driving to different places (with 2 loud, complaining boys in the backseat), for only $150.

Details, and convenience. That's what money would buy me.

At least for a little while. In general, I don't approve of "excess" so I'd probably start to feel guilty pretty fast! Except about the nickel faucet. Cause I just looooooove nickel so much more than chrome!

And I luv beautiful balls.

Francy


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I think Islander deserves the benefit of doubt on this one. To me she was commenting on the fact that the kitchen looked out of place compared to the beauty of the rest of the home. Plus, the fact that the owner paid an interior designer. We have all seen some very nice budget kitchens here on the forum where there was not a lot of money involved but there was a huge amount of ingenuity.


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lsandler - I know EXACTLY what you're saying. And I once posted something similar here and got the same kind of response. You know the value of the land and all the rest of the stuff that goes into a piece of property - and when you're TKO - you do find it amazing how those who are not TKO can spend so much on all those other things with not so much regard for the kitchen.

Everyone has different priorities. I like land and privacy and I'm amazed to see people build enormous, expensive homes within a few feet of their neighbors. I have a relatively small house on a large wooded lot in a prime location in a community of multi-million dollar homes. If I didn't have a nice new kitchen my house would probably be a tear down - or maybe it still will be. Different strokes for different folks as they say.


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gibby,
I remember your thread and all the arguing it caused, (you troublemaker). If I hired a designer or architect I would expect every detail to be immaculate. I just finished my bathroom and spent hours laying my limestone out so the rust spots were just so.
Details...it's in the details.
Donna


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Wow, arent we all testy for a beautiful Saturday morning? It seems to me that everyone is jumping on Islanders case for expressing her opinion about what she would have done different if it had been her home. She found some things she didn't like and values what she has learned on Garden Webb. Why are you taking offense at that (Antss & Patser)? Patser, (who said she wouldnt have the granite that two people displayed here) remarks that she wouldnt slam the people who chose it. Go back and read what Islander said (about the granite) and compare it to what you wrote and then reevaluate who slammed what. You DID slam two peoples granite choices, publicly (something Islander did not do). Regarding the work triangle, some call it antiquated, some call it practical, and then there are some that like walking 60 feet to get a cube of butter for cooking. Thats my two cents for this beautiful day. Lets all try to have a good day.


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Glad I got the juices running this morning.

Folks-- although I have taken no offense from anything anyone has written, some of you are way too serious and jumped to negative conclusions!!! Reread the post and look at some key words--observation, it's what I saw and remarked on, not anyone else. I also wrote that the house was gorgeous! I am just as entitled as anyone else to see things and remark on them, just as anyone is to comment.

For instance on the white plastic outlet covers, plugmold-angled or regular is just one of the ways to get rid of obvious outlets. As far as granite, I didn't say it was ugly, as it was not, I wrote that is was common, many people have it. Again, it was my post, my observations. As there was not another sink in the island, having the only sink 30 feet away from the refrig. is way to far. Once again, my post, my observations.

For those who missed it, the gist of the post was that this forum has so much to offer. It was more a testimony to this forum than to anything else.


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Well said Islander.


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Well, I've been in that house. No, wait. Couldn't be. Because the one I was in didn't have no stinkin' granite. It was Corian, I think. GORGEOUS stone and detail work on the stairs (the better to slip on) and all over the rest of the house and patio. But the kitchen was beige. Well, that's mean. It was cocoa beige. Floors, counters, cabinets, everything. And the most remarkable thing was the island. It took up the whole room, I'm guessing about 8 feet square. Maybe 7. So not only was it a hike from the sink to the fridge to the stove but one has to walk round and round this immense island. No sink or cooktop or anything in that island, either. Just some cabinets, and the biggest slab of man made countertop you ever did see.

But I can tell you the secret. There wasn't just a "maid's room". There were staff quarters. At least two bedrooms. And a pair of maids to go with. The family would never have considered entering the kitchen.

This wasn't a really big house though. Moderately big maybe. Probably less than 4000 sf on two floors. Gorgeous landscaping and 360 views from the ocean to the mountains on a fairly flat, large lot in Bel Air. So as many have said, the $$$ in the house are a lot more about location and lot than finish :) But the entertaining rooms were mucho deluxe :)

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But OMG, Organic Donna!!! What are you trying to do to me??? I love lapis lazuli but never would have thought of it for a counter. How am I supposed to enjoy a marble baking station when I can have lapis????


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"Some of you take all the fun out of dreaming..."

My Dh calls these types humor sponges:)


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Sadly, there is often an inverse relationship between the construction cost of a new house and the usability of the kitchen. Many less expensive new houses have smaller kitchens based on tried and true design principles. Many more expensive houses have bloated trophy kitchens designed more for appearance than function. Exceptions abound, of course, but I cook in a lot of kitchens as a part time caterer's assistant and I stand by the general observation.

FWIW, the very best kitchens I've cooked in are in very high end, very small, architect-designed apartments.


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plllog,
At least you didn't have to see it in person, I did, and man, it was hard to walk away. Nature produces so much beauty. Do you like onyx?

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I'm often wondered about the kitchens in many lovely homes we've been in. I catch silly things like a prep sink with out a disposal system, or fabulous kitchens with stupid appliances (ie they go hog wild on everything, then throw in a cheap range). But that's MY opinion of course and I'd never share it with them.

I agree that when a house is "designed" it shouldn't come off that way. But many designers think of the kitchen as an afterthought, which is why there are specific designers who do nothing but kitchens and baths. I would always want to use a pro for kitchen design specifically so that when one enters the heart of our home, they see a gorgeous and functional room, not just utilities.

I think donna's lapis is rediculously stupid.....umm when she could have that onyx slab instead LOL (I almost did lapis in the family bathroom...despite a true abhorance of blue). But sheesh donna...that onyx!!! Oh my gad....I umm might need to change my design :oP It looks chocolate and cocoa...is it???? Or is that red onyx?

Don't answer me donna...i can't make any more changes LMAO


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I'm dreaming of a $$$ kitchen....

Yup...more expensive granite (I love the Lapis Lazuli btw)...beaded inset cabinets...top-of-the-line appliances *sigh*, and a MUDROOM!!!!!

I can dream! Oh...and a sunroom/breakfast nook off the kitchen....

I could go on!

But, heck, we have our 3 acres that no one can take away from us... (not wooded yet! we're working on it though!)

We also preferred land over a large house...that was our compromise....but if we could have both...


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How about some pictures of your dream kitchens? If money was not a concern what would you have done?
Donna


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Donna,

I think the photo is of Sodalite, not Lapis Lazuli.

My stone supplier has Lapis and I drool over it :) I would love to use a small slab for a bathroom countertop.

In a book i am reading about tibetan paintings, they used lapis powder as blue pigment.

Apparently the best Lapis comes from afghanistan...


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My in progress kitchen is my dream kitchen. There isn't one thing more I'd add, or take away...wait I'd add afew more square feet maybe. But other than that, I love my appliances, countertops, mosaic, backsplash, antique lighting, it's everything I've ever wanted. Now if it would just come out of the boxes and get itself finished!

Ok want to know what a umm TKO I am???? I brought a knob to hospital with us LMAO It's just to remind me it may one day be on a cupboard! LOL Now that's TKO!!!


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Ramses, my DH says the same thing!

Humour sponges, LOL I love it :-)


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Whoa--that onyx! How much does something like onyx or lapis cost??

Francy


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I was quoted $80 sq ft for onxy tile...gad knows about countertops.


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We live in an overpriced community with tiny houses sitting on top of each other that are tiny, and many need a lot of work, like ours. We are amazed at the lack of details with the flipper houses with the new kitchens where everything is basically stock and very little thought. Our Gold and Silver was not that much more with a reasonably priced installer... to me some of that is being lazy and not wanting to shop around for the stones or lack of availability for those who don't live in areas with a large selection.

If we had a larger kitchen, the only major thing I'd do differently is more molding (around the sink and stove type stuff) and there were a few cabinets that I would have loved but it was a space issue.

I second the Onyx - our granite supplier had onyx with our granite in their sample kitchen - the onyx was one side of the base cabinets with great lighting and it was amazing... only if we had the space. Somehow, somewhere, I'd love some onyx in our house. :)

What we found is the details don't cost more, but it's the time involved as DIY'ers being our own GC's. We noticed details like molding and the plastic outlet covers too and are just shocked and that is probably why we have houses sitting in our area on the market for years as they are overpriced - the flippers are getting what they deserve. :) We used metal for the ones we've swapped out but when we finish the walls, we are going to switch to wood ones - walmart has unfinished ones for $1 each. Not expensive but look better. But, in a tiny house, you notice every detail or maybe it is just us.

Donna.... if that onyx is your choice - when we get ready to do our bathrooms and you are bored... you're welcome to help me decorate. :) I love your taste. Only natural stones are entering our home.


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Not all onxy is that expensive - I saw some as an accent tile and given how much we'd need it wasn't too bad. I've seen it for far less, but it depends on the quality and the color - of course, I pick the most expensive stuff.


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I'm speechless--I want that onyx!!!

I have talked to many folks remodeling kitchens and baths who have done little to no research. They have no idea there is an endless world of possiblities, in all price ranges, for their project. I taught my own contractor about the following items, which he had no idea about:

angled plugmold
Kichler undercounter lights
induction cooktop
Gaggenau steam oven
5 different kinds of cabinet hardware in one kitchen
caulk and not grout between the backsplash and the granite
cabinets that look like furniture instead of cabinets
recessed light chandeliers

I scrupulously researched for over a year before I started on my kitchen remodel. It has little to do with price and everything to do with knowing what is available.


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That's not my bathroom, I chose limestone. I was at that stoneyard shopping for my tiles and saw the beautiful exotic slabs they had in their showroom. I knew I wanted to capture the beauty so I took photos.
Pharoh, that is Lapis, look at the link I included in the post below it.
Do any of you like green? This is one huge slab. I think red onyx is the most beautiful but I don't have any photos of red onyx.

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P.S.
Ask pharaoh to show you his kitchen. If I recall he has backlit onyx. He designed it all himself. One of the most gorgeous kitchens I've ever seen.

Donna


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I was going to point out Pharaoh's kitchen for a great onyx sample :) It's beyond gorgeous.

I did consider using onyx on the floor of our powder room (we have an onyx sink in there) but I was told it's a better accent tile than full use tile. It's pretty soft. Even at the high cost it wouldn't have been much because we have such a small powder room (7'x3'). You know...I should rethink that...they have to rip up the floor again because the contractors broke a couple of tiles...maybe I should change....Pharaoh...is it really that soft?


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ODonna, Like green? Oh, man!!! I have two rainforest green marble sink tops, and one verde bahia :) The previous onyx is gorgeous, but the green is OOOOOOOH!

Please tell me onyx makes a really bad cabinet door. Please? I'm getting really wild ideas....

Pcjs, I know what you mean. But a lot of people got into flipping when the market was hot without having a clue what they were doing. Rule 1 is know the market. Rule 2 is get in and get out fast because a) your first offer is probably the best you'll get and b) paying mortgage interest is where you lose money. Rule 3 is do it generic and inexpensive, but never, ever, short the details. It's not for the unschooled or faint of heart :) But while I share your opinion that they get what they deserve, I hope for your sake the houses aren't sitting empty devaluing your neighborhood!

My dream kitchen? In my dream kitchen ODonna's Lapis and green onyx don't clash and I can have both. In my dream kitchen I have a breakfast room and a butler's pantry and a wine cellar. And a butler to get the wine from the cellar, decant it in the pantry and serve it, for casual home dinners, in the breakfast room. In my real kitchen, I may get a small bank of cupboards with a sink to call a "butler's pantry" (even though it's just a furnished passage, and a day help to assist in the kitchen at really big parties.


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They aren't devaluing the neighborhood and we bought our house undervalue as it was an estate sale and needed updating and lots of repairs (great bones and an easy DIY house as the original owners kept it up well till they could no longer DIY). We're not planning to sell, so even if they do, good, then maybe our property taxes will go down. There are about 5 houses we know of - most are asking over $1 million whereas most of the houses are going for $350-700,000 - the $350,000's are just coming down in price now as they were going for $425,000+ and it was just crazy for a tiny 800-900 square foot house with no basement and not very nice.

Some of the flip houses are ok, but none of the kitchens except one or two had anything special to them and the few I liked were gross as they didn't have appliances and you could see where they cheated with costs (i.e. granite, etc). Between this board, being our own GC, and being DIY, we probably notice way more than most people, but if you are asking $300,000+ more than your cost of the land and building costs for the new house, make it worth it to the buyer. One house has probably been on the market 3 years - we've been in our house 2 1/2 and it was on the market before we bought ours. The other one I think of I just giggle as that house I desperately wanted after 2 years of looking and only 2 people bid on it, and they took a builder over us for less money (tells me the house had huge problems as they refused a house inspection).... it did sell and went to a weird auction thing.

Onyx in a cabinet door... humm... now that is something I could go for. I have two doors open for glass as one of these years I'll make glass panels.... humm...


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Pcjs, I'm glad to hear you're not suffering from the unsold overpriced places. Isn't it amazing how a bad kitchen will look as bad in a $300K house as in a $3M one? But why would someone price at 25% above top of market?

The first house I offered on when I bought the current had great original details and an iffy redone kitchen and bath which weren't true to the classic Spanish style of the house. I underbid 10% because they were above market, had a few drawbacks, and had that ugly kitchen (nice granite counters though). They didn't sell for over a year, and finally took $6K less than I offered. People are nuts.

But back to Islander's OPost: I just thought--I have a houseful of awful almond plastic outlet and switch plates. The library has ones that match the shelves. The dining room has an artist made patina'd metal one. Other than that, they're bad. Many of the walls are white! But I haven't gotten around to 'em. It may be that the ones in the $3K house were the ones that the electrician had free for the price and the homeowners just haven't gotten to replacing them. But my kitchen is half the size, and I'm going to gut it to reduce the hike :) Never let someone who doesn't cook design a kitchen!!


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Donna, igloochic,
Always happy to show photos of the kitchen. it has been a year and we still haven't put in the finishing touches such as molding, a few paint touch ups etc.

but the onyx is still glowing :)

I am planning a bathroom remodel now. perhaps thassos white, glass tile, glass countertop, white marble vessel sink, chrome faucetry, modern crystal chandelier...


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This is what makes the world go round....different people, different opinions, different tastes. Differences aren't slams in my books. Differences do not imply right/wrong. Differences are just that - differences.


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igloochick,
Actually my favorie is red onyx. I just deleted my pictures of a shower in red onyx. The green comes in a dark and light color. It also comes in white. The wear depends if the floor will be walked on constanly. I think a small powder room would be fine for onyx. It is a rather delicate stone and can sometimes look busy so keep that in mind. The tiles are beautiful though. Go to a reputable stoneyard and ask to see a sample from the boxes that you would be purchasing. The color varies from lot to lot. The price was less than my limestone, But I pushed for a contractor's discount.
Donna

pharoah, you should be a designer!


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IMO, antss made a very good observation that has gotten lost in the yen to show over-the-top stone choices in the guise of attention to detail. Antss point is that the large kitchen's too-large work triangle may not be meant for the owners or any single soul to walk between, anyway. It may actually be meant for an entire catering party or service staff to be able to efficiently work at. Not an unlikely conjecture in a $3M house. So, given that very fair assumption, does the house's layout still seem ill conceived, ill-designed, lacking in detail etc.?

As far as "common granite" goes, I wouldn't have for a counter any of the slabs shown here for love or money. I'd have to assume that the owners had more money than taste! Pharoah's space works and it works beautifully because he's used the richness of the few pieces of onyx to catch the eye in a controlled way in a space that will catch the eye anyway - it could be a black-hole without care or it could be entertaining like pharoah's execution. He's not trying to impress with his acreage of onyx or writhing granite all over the floor or the counters.
So, if the "common granite" is a tasteful granite, well, taste is a very important component of wealth. :-)

In essence, I agree with patser. Differences are good, they are hygenic ... c'est la vie and all that. These wild granites may be what you would do with your money, but be assured that there are those who do care about the details who would find this just as revolting as you find a "common granite". :-)


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pharaoh--o la la!!!

A clarification about what stood out regarding the white plastic outlets in the kitchen. It really wasn't the fact that they were plastic but that the cabinets were cream and the walls were green. The contrast of the colors drew my eye to them first and then to the grandeur of the kitchen second. If the outlets were painted, the color of the island and the wall color, they would not have been noticeable. I even think the almond color would have blended better than the white.

Second, there are a vast array of granite possiblities between common and "wild" granite. Common granite is not bad, ugly or not to be coveted, just used by alot of folks.

The family in question does not have catering staff and or service staff in the kitchen. The most they have is a couple of times a year they have one person in to help keep the food stocked during parties. They have a cleaning lady who comes in once a week to clean. Therefore, I stand by my original observation that 30 feet one way is too far to go, especially if you have to go to the refrigerator multiple times.


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Pharoah that is one beautiful kitchen. I don't cook much of anything that doesn't go into my microwave, but I would just sit at the dining table, with a nice cup of tea, hot water from the arrowhead water dispenser, and look at that island.

As many have said "to each his own". My dream kitchen would be, heck, non-existent. There's plenty I could do with an extra room.


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We used golden onyx for our backsplash in 12" tiles. I think it cost about $300 in materials. I love the stuff!


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I think staff appreciate a well designed kitchen too, even if they're being paid for the hike! :D Whether it's two maids, three catering assistants, or Mom, Dad, Grandma, and Junior doing the cooking, a well designed kitchen is just easier to use. When the owners never set foot in the kitchen, as in the case I mentioned, but not Islander's, they sometimes just don't care :)


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mindstorm,
I'm not suggesting that anyone would actually use any of the rare granites I posted. I am just having fun with this post and showing some beautiful,(IMO), and different stone.
Donna


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Donna,

I could be tempted to use one of those gorgeous stones you showed us (though I still think I'll use mostly tile). The trick to using something that wild is that it has to be the star. A lot of people want their countertops to look very plain, either because they keep a lot of stuff on them, or because they put a lot of detailing into other elements, such as panels in the doors and drawers, bead edges (ogees, ropes, etc.), moldings, fancy pulls/knobs and faucets, mosaic or accented backsplashes, etc. With a really wild stone, especially one which incorporates many colors, one is best off with very plain cabinets, no moldings, simple hardware, etc. Just as with anything else, it can be done tastefully, or it can be just hideous. It all depends on context.


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well I have a similar story with a twist - we have friends with a brandy new house. This girl was totally HOUSE obsessed and went over and over and over every detail to the point where it was a bit too much. So we go visit and she's telling me about her granite which was some supposed rare stuff. I personally thought it was kind of ugly but that was my opinion, I could see how much she liked it, she was oohing and ahhhing over everything pointing out all the little swirls to me. But instead of focusing on her granite all I could do was stare at her obviously cheap cheap cheap cheap cabinets. If walmart made cabinets, that's where these came from. They were so horrible. I think she blew her budget on this granite and thought "everyone will focus on my granite so it doesn't matter if i put in cheap cabinets with a crappy install"

Don't even get me going on the floor.

My point is, it's all about balance. I think all the things you choose should be balanced appropriately.


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Hi--Each to her or his own. I am a rockhound by birth-always looking at the ground to see if there is a treasure there--so I was delighted to choose a granite that had some movement and character-almost like a landscape in a rock--it is not that unusual but I love to work on it. I am more of a rockhound than a cook, but I do love the chance to express myself in my remodeled kitchen--and also pay attention to function.

Here is a link that might be useful: kitchen remodel


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Islander: I have heard of everything you mentioned in your list above. But what in the world are recessed light chandeliers? Do you have pictures or can you refer me to a website where I can see these? Thanks in advance!


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Recessed light chandeliers are decorative rims with hanging crystals for recessed lighting. I have 3 over my island as I didn't want pendants. I haven't learned how to post pics yet but here is the website http://www.beaux-artes.com/products/recessed_chandelier_medallionstyles.html
They are a delight to work with and have the best customer service!

Here is a link that might be useful: Recessed Light Chandeliers


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claudesw,
Your kitchen is gorgeous. I couldn't see your granite very well in the pictures. Do you have a close up?

The first granite I posted and the onyx are very "busy" and would need to be with a very simple cabinet. The Lapis in person is not really "wild", it's predominately blue. In a all white kitchen, maybe white lacquer cabinets, it would be breathtaking.
I couldn't afford any of these stones myself, but in a expensive home, if I were the designer, I would have chosen something exotic. Everyone is entitled to their tastes and opinions. Mine has always been a little more "out there".
Donna


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my thinking though is that there is "simple" cabinetry and then there is cheap cabinetry. Yes, the granite my friend had called for toned down cabinets, without a doubt. But it looked like she understood toned down to mean hang a cardboard box on the wall and call it a day.


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Hi organic donna: I thought that I had successfully posted earlier but I guess my post never made it here. I love the blues too and coveted them for a guest bathroom that I am planning to remodel next. When I was at the stoneyard I was just struck dumb by all the fabulous stones. So much eye candy there that I could not pull myself away--I really thought that I was going to have to camp there. I will try posting better pics of the granite when I experiment with my new camera later this week. Thanks for your kind comment.


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lsandler, that's it. I will never invite you to another party if you and your online friends are going to go on and critique my kitchen! :-)


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I've noticed at a certain price point [usually well past $3m] kitchens become less important and special, not more: only 'the help' spends time there, so why bother?


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Just goes to show you, money can't buy taste.


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Donna, Ok, I'll share my faves ... :-)

Here's one of my favorite stones:

Common as dirt as entire continents of people have it, but I think it is lovely.

Here's another I love that I did use in my remodel:

It is big and black and therefore fairly common but only fans of black stones will know that Blues Night or whatever name it goes by now is a subtly different than another black granite.

Ultimately, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder regardless how many have beheld 'er. (I know, I know, *groan*! but this was my first chance to use this cheesy rejoinder *grin*).


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Donna, is that first slab a marble or one of the white granites?

Sue


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mindstorm,
I love the white stone, is that marble? The second one looks almost like blue eyes, is it? It's beautiful. I don't feel that any stone that was produced by nature is at all "common". I think your granite and your kitchen are both gorgeous. You know how I love modern.
I took pictures of the stones in the previous post because they were so unusual, something that none of us will ever use in a kitchen.
Donna


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I think stone in general is so COMMON these days so most everyone around here must be really rich and have no taste.

"Just goes to show you, money can't buy taste" .............if you choose to believe stovegirl.

You guys need to rip out those marble and granite and get glass counters,or one of the new clear composites with embeded elements, or zinc tops if you really want to be cool,stylish, and tasteful.

p.s thanx storm!


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Sorry, I should have addressed the question about the slabs to Mindstorm. Marble or white granite? Looks like marble, but if it is white granite, I would love to know the name.

Sue


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Sue, Donna, the first one is honed carrara marble.

Donna, the black one is called "Blues in the Night" and "Blue Night" and also "Blue Polare" granite depending on which fabricator I've seen it at. My vendor called it Blues in the Night when I purchased it.


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Ah, forgot to complete my thought. O_Donna, regarding the black granite, I've read on this board many many times over the years that the only reason to buy a granite would be for its movement and that in particular, it was a waste to buy a black granite 'coz you may as well buy an engineered stone. Well, I couldn't for the life of me find an E-stone I liked nearly as much as this blue-night-polare business. So, I guess I shouldn't have said back there that black granites are maligned as "common" so much as a waste of money and gumption because they are so uniform but I love that black stone of mine with its little blue winking points and the odd white/clear quartz nugget - even if it is the ugly step-child to others. :-)


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Some of those granites make my skin crawl....*skeeved*

I am interested in seeing how they look in a "real life" kitchen.


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That's a bizzare reaction to a rock...you take your stone more seriously than most I guess. Personally, even if a stone dosen't ring my bells, I've yet to be "skeeved" by a granite or onyx. They're all pretty rocks, just different. :o) It's not like they have bugs crawling over them....oh wait, I did see a fossil embeded granite I loved....


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"Taking stones seriously"...Come on Igloo...I'm taking stones seriously? lol I wasn't smacking on anyone's taste and if you took it that way, I apologize. The fact is that I have a high sensitivity to certain images and some things make my skin crawl - The Body Wars exhibit, jellyfish, raw chicken, open wounds, etc. And unfortunately deeply veined granites is one of those things.

Bizarre? Not necessarily. Individual to me? I doubt it.

Carry on! :)


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LOL diva it made me giggle, forgive me if I offended. Your reaction just struck a funny bone I guess (It's been a bad day, I have very few left, I did mean to tease, not to hurt, and if I did so I'm sorry! Now carry on...I'm gonna go stroke my stone :oP (Ok i'm in a hotel and the granite here is really ugly...so maybe not) :oP ....carrying on!


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lsandler, I'm intrigued by the recessed light chandeliers. I'd love to see them in an actual room setting. Is there any chance you could email me photos?

I'm of the firm opinion that "bling" is good, and those lights have bling!!


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I have to say that some of your responses to the granites I've posted are not what I expected. I have never said anything negative about anyone's choice of countertop, yet many of you don't mind judging my taste.
Donna


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"I have to say that some of your responses to the granites I've posted are not what I expected. I have never said anything negative about anyone's choice of countertop, yet many of you don't mind judging my taste."

I was thinking the same thing Donna.

BTW, I think the blue in Azul Bahia is lapis lazuli, so your granite does share some of the same ingredients as that beautiful lapis slab you posted.


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reno fan--my kitchen is still in disarray but I will email you some pics when you can see them in a normal setting--maybe in a couple of weeks. They are really beautiful.

I think that all the granites posted here are lovely. I don't think there is ugly or bad granite--just granite you see often and granite you do not see often.

Donna--you have impeccable taste! You can come decorate for me anytime!


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Thanks for your kind words cheifneil and 1sandler.
I try and be positive and respectful with my advice and appreciate being treated the same. I understand that we all have very different tastes. I'm not asking any of you to approve my choices, I am just displaying some of the stones that I admired.
I don't think nature has produced too many ugly things. Even a bullfrog has beauty.
Donna


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"I don't think nature has produced too many ugly things"

you've never seen my DH's feet!


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ROTFLMAO!!! Too funny, buffettgirl. Come to think of it, my DH feet aren't that hot either!


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ROTFL!!

BTW, lsandler, I'm sorry I got your screenname wrong above :) I kept reading it as "Islander"...must be wishful thinking.


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those stones, however, are a work of nature and are beautiful. Now, granted, they'd look silly in my house, but somewhere they'd look gorgeous.


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I want see picture of LAPIS LAZULI countertop????

I can't see it.


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