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Stripping and Sealing a Quartzite Countertop (White Macauba)

SethG
11 years ago

Hey, first time posting here, thanks for your attention.

We recently finished a remodel that included a new kitchen. We installed a natural quartzite countertop with a gloss finish-- white macauba is the exact name of the stone.

I noticed after we moved back in that although we were told the stone was sealed, the stone will temporarily darken if water is left standing on the counter. In addition, someone recently left a coffee ring from a mug on the counter, which caused a darkened ring that has faded slightly but not gone away over the past three or four days.

It isn't a huge issue--it isn't that noticable-- but I would like to prevent this from happening again and fix it if I can. I did a search and found out from other postings that I need to get a better sealant. I don't know what the stone guys used on my counter but I understand the folks on this forum seem to like the Miracle 511 sealants. I'm thinking the Pourous Plus?

Also:

1) Can you recommend a specific product/method to strip the current sealant off? I couldn't find anything on this in a search.

2. Do you think I can get the darkened ring from the coffee mug out? How?

I posted a photo of the counter from its installation. Thanks again.

Comments (30)

  • bluej422
    11 years ago

    For what it worth, the bottle on the countertop looks a lot like the Miracle 511 sealant bottle (same size, shape and color anyway). It's possible your countertop guys already used 511 sealant.

  • PRO
    Granite City Services
    11 years ago

    you'll want to use acetone to strip the existing sealer. you should be able to remove the coffee stain with a poultice of
    hydrogen peroxide and corn starch or diatomaceous earth.

    Cover the poultice with saran wrap taped down on 3 sides so it dries out slowkly.

    Dupont Stone Tech is good sealer.

  • michelle16
    11 years ago

    I also have white macubus, I believe they used the dupont one, but the professional one that is not water based, it;s solvent based=make sure u use a solvent based one and not water based. Also is yours honed? mine is not it's polished. From your picture yours appears to be honed, maybe that makes a difference with staining?

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Hey thanks for the replies--

    It is polished, that's what I meant by gloss finish. Sorry if my wording was poor.

    If they already used 511, then they didn't use enough? Is it possible they just didn't do it well?

    If I leave a little puddle of water (or a water glass) on the counter for just a few minutes it will create a dark patch that slowly disappears. Seems very porous.

    I just learned a new word: poultice. So I should make a mass of hydrogen peroxide and corn starch, spread it on the stain, and leave it for how long? This won't make it worse, right? I'm afraid to tinker with my brand new counter like this.

    Thanks for the advice.

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Also I know how you gardenweb folks love your kitchen porn so here is a photo of the counter in the finished kitchen. We are very happy with our kitchen but we are still working out the little kinks like this counter issue.

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Another broader view.

  • ppbenn
    11 years ago

    OK now you've done it! Posted your very snazzy kitchen with no details but something about white macabus and water rings! For shame!
    Could you please share what your appliances are and if you like them? Also that stone is so very nice. Where did you get it?
    TIA and good luck with the water ring.

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Range: BlueStar 36, six burner. 8 inch backguard.
    Hood: Futura Futura
    Fridge: SubZero 42
    Dishwasher: One of the cheaper Bosches
    Wall ovens: Jenn-Air

    Love the range. It's a big dumb gas oven, what could go wrong? I especially like the burners, though I have had to use a diffuser to simmer soup and stocks even with the simmer burner on low.

    All of the other appliances are great too, except the Sub-Zero arrived with a faulty ice maker.

    We got the stone at Hindustan out on Long Island. We looked at lots of stone yards because our design called for an eleven-foot island and we wanted to get the kitchen out of a single slab. We were told over and over again that we'd never find a slab that was long enough (except in Indian granites, all of which my wife disliked). But we kept looking and then stumbled on this one slab we both loved. We also saw some fantasy white quartzite slabs that were nearly long enough, we almost went with that.

    I am trying to get a sample piece of our slab so I can test out the peroxide/cornstarch and acetone before I put wither one on our kitchen slab. Thanks gain for all the advice.

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Sorry I can't figure out how to edit my posts. Aside from the typos I also made a substantive error: the dishwasher is not a Bosch! It is a Miele Crystal. Don't know what I was thinking.

  • michelle16
    11 years ago

    Seth-spills should not be darkening. I had the opposite effect where, because the stone is so dense-the sealer actually laid on top, creating rough areas where there was too much. They came back to scrape off the excess and wipe down with acetone. I was afraid all the sealer was off, but he did a water test where he let the water lay overnight. it was still in a puddle the next morning-it never darkened. The stone is not porous like you mentioned. It is the opposite. It is very dense and strong. Stronger than granite. That is why it is so hard to cut through and they hate templating it.You might want to go to stone Tech's website, I use their cleaners. They sell a stain remover. It's in a samll can, it's a paste u put on and it lifts up stans. It is safe for all stones. I used it on my old kitchen granite for an oil stain- it worked. I would also have them come back. Wipe down with acetone and apply dupon't proffesional solvent based sealer. Sounds like they used a water based on yours. Water should always bead off, not darken. Hope this helps. Good luck-kitchen looks great! Michelle

  • Debbi Branka
    11 years ago

    Our fabricator sealed our marble after installation with 511. In front of us. Showed us how to do it. Then told us to do it 3 more times - wait a day or so in between. They gave us a new bottle of 511. Once is not enough. The first few days (before I sealed more times), a drop of milk left that dark spot inside my marble, but miraculously it disappeared within a couple hours. Actually, I think this is so cool to watch! Anyway, now after I've sealed it 3 more times, milk (or oil, or anything else) doesn't leave that dark spot. My guess is that your sealant is just fine, but you need to do it 3 more times. It's very easy. Just pour it on and wipe it, and let it dry (directions on the bottle). Water will bead when you have sealed enough times.

    Your kitchen is beautiful!

  • ppbenn
    11 years ago

    Thanks for the info Seth. I am appliance shopping now and liked the look if your ovens. That island counter is wonderful. I have been looking at white fantasy quartzite but my local slabs are very gray not creamy white like yours.
    That is one beautiful stone. Has there been any etching?

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    I am not sure what etching looks like although I know the specter of etching always seems to hang over these natural stone counter discussions.

    I just spoke to the fabricator, who said they use a sealant called k.r. 33, which seems to be expensive and imported. He said he believes it is water based. What do you think, should I get some k.r.33 and apply more? Or should I strip it and go with 511 or Stone Tech?

  • karin_mt
    11 years ago

    That's a beautiful stone and an awesome kitchen Seth. I appreciate the modern aesthetic and you've nailed it!

    Can you tell me what dining room chairs you've got there?

    The temporary darkening seen in natural stones, I think, is just moisture trapped in the pore spaces of the rock. It takes a bit for that to evaporate since the pore spaces are tiny and intricately shaped - I think that's all there is to it.

    Etching looks like an unpolished spot on an otherwise polished surface. I don't think you'll get that on your stone, which is a true quartzite as far as I know.

    As for sealants, I don't know so I'll leave that to someone smarter. :)

  • michelle16
    11 years ago

    I would def. do the solvent based sealer. I had a feeling it was water based what they used.Don't do more of what they used because you'll have the same problem. Wipe with acetone and apply the solvent based one from dupont. Have them do it, they shouldn't charge you. Tell them it's darkening and not beading- it's failing the water test.

  • Debbi Branka
    11 years ago

    I think if you use the same thing (didn't they leave you a bottle?) a few more times, you won't have the darkening. That's what happened with mine. I wouldn't strip it; I would just do it 3 more times and I bet it would be good.

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    I did a little web searching and saw K.R. 33 is a "protecting agent on a solvent basis," which leads me to believe it is a solvent based sealer. My stone fabricator has agreed to give me some so I will apply a few more coats, which I hope will resolve the issue. Thanks everyone.

    I don't remember the brand of chair, I will ask my wife and post later!

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Hey, I got a remainder piece of my slab from the fabricator and put a little mix of corn starch and hydrogen peroxide on it just to test it out. I left the paste on the slab for several hours and then took it off, and predictably (because it was moist) it left a dark spot. I am watching this to make sure it evaporates to normal before I use any more of it.

    I am also considering buying the professional stain remover mentioned upthread from StoneTech. Is this it?

    http://www2.dupont.com/Stone_Tech_Professional/en_US/products/clean/oil_stain_remover.html

    Thanks.

  • SethG
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Late breaking update:

    1. I tried the corn starch/hydrogen peroxide remedy on my little mark on the counter. I mixed it up, slopped it on, and covered it with plastic wrap. Left it for 24 hours, it became dry and chalky. I don't think it helped any.

    Maybe I should have left it longer? I don't know. I decided to scrap it because we have guests coming on Thanksgiving and I need to resolve this counter nonsense. Besides, the mark only looks like a stain if you know it is a stain, otherwise you'll think it's a natural variation in the stone. It is no big deal.

    2. This morning I applied the sealant my fabricator gave me, and this evening my counter passes the water test! So I think we have success. It just needed another coat, as many of you said. Thanks so much for the help.

  • padmae
    11 years ago

    Actually, quartzite is both very porous and very dense. It took a couple of weeks for our new quartzite counters to go from gray to white since it soaked up so much water during fabrication. Our fabricator used 511, which has good reviews but I can't get the film off of it. He suggested using windex (one time only), but I'm nervous about using it based on several blogs. I've tried mild soap and water, a well worn green scratchy, granite polish--none of which have made a difference. Sounds like I need to use acetone and start over with a new sealer, followed up by granite polish. Also sounds like denser materials such as quartzite, are difficult to seal and the sealer might 'sit' on the surface.

  • sochi
    11 years ago

    I (and at least a couple of others) have had great success using silicone-based sealants. Have a look at the thread pasted below.

    Here is a link that might be useful: quartzite sealing

  • drossthomas
    7 years ago

    My fabricator said he sealed my new Roma Imperial quartzite island, but water would soak into it quickly and leave a dark mark that would disappear after several hours. I used acetone to strip any previous sealer used and remove a few oil stains from one night of cooking, then applied Miracle Sealants 511 Porous Plus 5 or 6 times, waiting a few hours between each. Essentially kept applying until it quit soaking in/changing the color of the surface. I wiped up excess from the last coat pretty quickly but there was still a film that felt grainy when running your hand across the surface, so I took an electric buffer after it - one typically used for car detailing work - for a few hours (big island) using two different pads, then rubbed it down again with a soft cloth. That removed the "grainy" residue and now the surface is shiny and squeaks when you rub your fingers over it. There was one small etched spot that happened before I applied the sealer, and though it's still visible, the sealer filled it so it feels smooth to the touch like the rest of the surface - no longer rough and pitted. I poured water on the surface and it beaded up so I let it sit overnight. The next morning the water had completely evaporated and there was no mark whatsoever. We'll see how it stands up over time but I'm feeling pretty good about it.

  • amyabernathy1
    7 years ago

    I have been stressing over kitchen counters for weeks now. I have tested several samples all with bad results including super white and Mont Blanc. They both etched with 10 mins of acids applied to them. I also tried to remove the etched marks with polish and also comet and a Brillo pad, both methods did not work. I recently found this slab locally. They are calling it White Macubus quartzite from Brazil. It is almost purely white and grey and crystaly. It is beautiful, however it doesn't look like the classic macubus I've seen. Of course they didn't have any samples for testing. I did take a small broken off piece home. If I REALLY try I can make a small scratch on a glass tile but also it also makes some white "stone dust" while pressing the stone and glass together. Any thoughts? I am so afraid to make the investment and have etching. Has anyone seen White Macubus like this before?

  • drossthomas
    7 years ago

    A clear film protector such as StoneGuard or TuffSkin would prevent etching, but it's a fairly significant investment and may have to be replaced at some point. I was quoted $1,050 for a 4.5' x 9' island.

  • javiwa
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    amy -- I'd recommend starting an entirely new post to see if anyone (particularly our resident geologist and all-around nice person Karin) might be able to help ID your stone. Folks may skip over this thread entirely because it's either so old or they're focusing on the stripping/sealing aspect of MW (and it's not relevant to them). We have MW's crosscut version (Calacatta Gold) installed, and I've stared at a lot of MW/CG slabs. To me, the white parts of your stone appear too purely white. MW/CG tend to read grey, even in the lightest parts. Good luck!

  • E N
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Amy- Could that be Brazilian White, which is a marble? I saw Brazilian White installed in a home and it was beautiful. It looked like that. I'm looking at White Macabus and Calcutta White and they look different than that stone. If that stone is quartzite, it's gorgeous!! I would buy it!

  • PRO
    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    5 years ago

    Sorry Jill, but genuine quartzite doesn't have "water circles" and "coffee circles"; you've got a marble half breed. The sealer Marcos applied will not prevent the etching you experienced. Keep Marcos on speed dial, he's coming back out in another 5 months, believe me. Unless you apply Stoneguard.

  • thetzone
    5 years ago

    Yeah Joseph is right. I have Cygnus Quartzite, I left a coffee puddle, water puddle, milk puddle, and hand soap on a piece of my counter for 3 days....wiped them away and not a single mark was left...

  • lozzaine
    4 years ago

    Call the company you bought your quartzite from. I just had quartz countertops put in the company that installed them has a guarantee plus so does the manufacturer. They will know what to do!