|
| As I get quotes from different cabinet makers - custom, part-custom, Lowe's, Conestoga, etc...I'm finding it difficult comparing apples to apples for the best price/best quality/best function/best look. What's standard for one is an upgrade for another, or one guy will tell me "so-and-so" isn't that necessary for a great cabinet, etc. Probably the only consistent features quoted are soft close drawers and full extension drawers - that seems to be the norm in 2012. After that, though, some items are standard and some are upgrades and it's different with each company.
Outside of the ever-popular base drawers over doors (which is a non-negotiable for me): in your opinion, in what order do your priorities fall in terms of needs and budget? In other words, what features are/were you willing to give up to fit into your budget? 2) soft close doors
|
Follow-Up Postings:
|
| I would rank quality as #1, so I guess that means plywood vs. furniture board. Drawers instead of cabinets is a close #2. If I could only have those two things, I'd be happy. I see everything else as bells and whistles -- which doesn't mean I don't really like the bells and whistles. However, cabinets are something that you need to get right. I'd look for other areas to sacrafice before I'd go with sub-par cabinets. I'd postpone backsplash, go with a laminate floor (plan to do tile later), etc. to avoid sacraficing cabinets. |
|
- Posted by williamsem (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 15:21
| Well, I'm awaiting the almost final layout quote from our cabinet place so I may have some more thinking to do about this, but here goes. Priorities Ok to let go, easiest to hardest To be determined, don't really want to give these up, though they were not in my required list. But if I have to cut (in no particular order) Will have to evaluate |
|
- Posted by drbeanie2000 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 15:40
| Drawer glides that are strong enough to hold what you're putting in your drawers - make sure to check the weight rating and note that the (heavy) drawer itself should be counted in the overall weight. I'm going by a2gemini's recent experience, which also supports the plywood over furniture board argument. Drawers that will fit your items! You might want to measure your pots and pans, for instance. |
|
| I seem to echo a lot of williamsem says above: 1) frameless (hence dovetail/plywood became unnecessary so didn't have to spend on that) and then.... 6) various frou-frouey stuff like crown, fascia, appliques and corbels that most people think are too old-fashioned but that I will always totally love :-) |
|
| From a slightly different perspective- I have to go through all of this similar to you to decide what to sell. Aside from what is simply available to me.... I'm first concerned with quality relative to price point secondly I'm looking at design felxibility lastly I'm looking at marketability (odd I know) For quality- - perhaps also first is hardware- I don't care if soft close is standard, just available- I do care who makes it either Blum or Mepla/Grass glides or hinges- no Chinese drawer glides- Plywood, particle- I don't care so long as I have options for both (especially shelves). I do care what kind it is and where it came from- give me domestic particle over Chinese ply any day of the week if the cabinet is built properly and it is a good grade. Prefer particle for frameless myself (my own kitchen) Love the option of melamine interiors. Design flexibility- even with middle of the road cabinets I should have a decent selection of modifications and be able to do custom sizing-it makes for better kitchens and improved storage- even my middle of the road pocket hole cabinet (compete with the box store) allows for 1/16th inch alterations- when I was looking for a doweled cabinet I had one so called custom company that offered only 1/2" changes (kidding right?) Marketablity- this part of the list is for things the public thinks are important-I don't think these things are as indicative of quality as some do.... |
|
- Posted by williamsem (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 20:17
| Jakuvall, this and the info you posted in the aftermarket add ons has been very helpful. Thank you for posting! I can feel the last lingering doubt about my cabinets fading, feels nice! I don't know much about finishes, but I didn't see anything obviously wrong with the display, and they use a catalyzed conversion topcoat so I think I'll just relax about that too. It's interesting to see your thoughts on plywood vs PB. I have heard/read from several places about quality concerns with plywood in recent years. One local custom shop I saw at a home show will only use a local plywood company. Says it's the best he can find anywhere, and it's consistent. (and just because people here will understand...the cabinet guy was super excited to talk about construction, materials, and "guts" as that's what he feels is important. I was the first person he recalls in a long time that wanted all the details up front...thanks GW!) |
|
- Posted by lovetodream (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 15:04
| So, jakuvall, a few questions.... How do you find out where the PB or plywood came from? Does a custom cabinet maker really know, if he gets it from a middle man? Do the companies who sell American made cabinets to the big box stores get all of their supplies from China? Also, how do you find out if the cabinet without dovetail is still good quality? I am waiting for a quote from a local custom guy where dovetail is an upcharge. When I asked him about that, he said dovetail is beautiful to look at, but there are advances made over the years in technology that allow for a well built drawer without the need for dovetail. That makes sense, but I just wonder if he's giving me a good pitch to not to do the work, you know? The other thing I'm worried about going local custom is the finish. He sprays the cabinets in house and puts a strong varnish on them but he does say over time they don't wear as well as staining does. Is that typical with all paint finishes, or will I see better results from semi-custom big-box cabinet places? |
|
| You ask and make them find out- for a custom maker that should be easy (was when I built em) Box store- I don't know. For hardware you can see for yourself- I don't handle those brands and so many companies are moving to Chinese ply I wouldn't say- In general the cheaper the more likely. Make them find out- email customer service... Drawers- doweled, biscuits, or loose tenons in solid wood are just fine- modern glues make dovetails just something pretty to look at Stain will always age better no matter who does it. Factory paint will be tougher. If I were having a local guy do a painted cabinet I'd seriously look into site painting them with something renewable- there was a great thread on that recently look around. I've seen plenty of old fabulous gracefully aged white kitchens that were painted on site. Otherwise I'd concentrate on which semi custom (or custom) brands are known to have good painted finishes. Who you work with is more important than what brand you get. Find someone who has fair pricing, fits and respects your budget, that is a good personal fit, you feel you can trust, think will follow through, appears to pay attention to the details ---use them. You will end up with a better kitchen and a more pleasant experience that way. |
Please Note: Only registered members are able to post messages to this forum. If you are a member, please log in. If you aren't yet a member, join now!
Return to the Kitchens Forum
Instructions
- You must be a registered member and logged in to post messages on our forums.
- Posting is a two-step process. Once you have composed your message, you will be taken to the preview page. You will then have a chance to review the contents and make changes.
- After posting your message, you may need to refresh the forum page in order to see it.
- It is illegal to post copyrighted material without the owner's consent.
- HTML codes are allowed in the message field only.
- No advertising is allowed in any of the forums.
- If you would like to practice posting or uploading photos, please visit our Test forum.
- If you need assistance, please Contact Us and we will be happy to help.