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Do any of these cab colors/stains grab you?

deedles
11 years ago

With the sink and factoring in the stove. I'd like to be able to use that paper somewhere, too, and I think I have a perfect spot for just a touch of 'art'. Not the whole backsplash anymore.

The cab finish/countertop/backsplash with these appliances has me on a merry-go-round.

(I'm going for an updated, edited rustic leaning towards Grandma cozy and maybe a bit of arts and crafts if that makes any sense)

The ceiling will be knotty pine tongue and groove like this:

and I WILL paint it if I have to. We're now leaning more towards cork flooring, after the marmoleum debacle, if that matters at this point.


This is a close-up of the actual sink if that helps:

And to complicate matters, I have a serious case of like for this onyx and marble mosiac tile:

Anything? Am I beyond help at this point?

Additional cab suggestion are welcome.

Worked nights. Going to bed now. Will check back later for my GW fueled cab epiphany! (fingers crossed)

Thanks!

Comments (84)

  • EATREALFOOD
    11 years ago

    Bella-were you really up @3:45am doing those mock-ups ? Don't forget Angie's BS !!! :0 you're mock ups are great...

  • angela12345
    11 years ago

    My original vote was for the Douglas fir, but once I saw them each next to the stoves I think I like the knotty alder slightly better. The stain color looks nicer with the stove and also looks quite nice with the sink.

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Bella! OMGoodness! How do you DO that? That's awesome! I saw your tile work on Angies thread but how do you turn a stove and make it look so much like a real room? Freaky awesome! Wow. wow wow. I'll be back, i just have to stare at this for a bit.

    Thanks! Gee, I feel like I was just given a great present to unwrap!

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Okay, initial thoughts: I agree with you fully, Bella on the backsplash. White, simple, yes. While I like the tile, seeing it with the stove and sink, you're right, it makes my eye jump. The white backsplash is 'restful'. L.O.V.E. it.

    Also, seeing the pine ceiling up there allays my fears about too much wood. The lighter ceiling and the darker cabs work nicely together. And, as an aside, that range hood in the picture is perfect and ties the stove in with the cabinets much better than what I was picturing. I'm thinking if we go with q/s oak, or fir, or something knotty... any of them would work if the stain is medium-ey brown like this pic shows. Funny, the layout in that kitchen is exactly how it's set up now. We'll be moving the stove but it REALLY helps me to visualize where I want to go with this. Can I say thank you again? Really, it's so nice of you to take the time to do this for people.

    *sheepish tone of voice*--Is there anyway for you to insert a white-ish countertop in there?

    eatrealfood: I agree with your color thoughts and I'm going to have a shallow, free-standing pantry/hutch setup that will (probably)be painted some color (TBD) and will have the tree paper in the 36x18 backsplash area for more color yet. I no longer think I have to paint the ceiling thanks to Bella's rendition. I think the pine is light enough to work as I said just above.

    Angela: I keep going back and forth between knotty alder, q/d oak and fir. I guess it's between those 3 and have to get some samples and see how each looks IRL.

    I love GW!

  • sprtphntc7a
    11 years ago

    if there's still time to vote...

    #1. knotty alder but without bead board insert, just plain like QS doors

    #2. QS

    like #2 better for the color and not as much going on in the wood..its a little quieter.

    love the mock ups...agree with comments about the subway, i llke it better than the mosaics.

    let the oven and sink shine. that sink is awesome, for me that would the "star"...just so beautiful...sigh....

    hope this makes sense..its going to be fab!!!

    best of luck !

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    EATREALFOOD - Lol! Yes, I was up in the wee hours of the morning (long story) - I couldn't sleep so figured I would play a bit. I promise not to forget Angie! From her last post she's going to try a few real life mockups - I can't wait to see them and would be happy to help out more if she wants. :)

    deedles - Aww, you're most welcome! I really enjoy doing these mockups - it's so fun to see the pieces together, and best of all - I love being able to help! (I've gotten sooo much terrific advice and help on GW, and am happy to give back a bit!) So glad you like the simple tiles, and I agree that the ceiling definitely works. Sure - I can work on adding in a whiteish countertop - was there anything in particular that you are thinking of?

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    sprtphntc: Good point about the 'quieter' wood grain of the q/s vs. knotty. Maybe I'll have enough knots in the ceiling and should go with the more neutral oak or fir grain. Thanks for your comments on the sink. Sometimes the visual dominance of the sink has frustrated me since it dictates a certain design direction that I've struggled against... but, seeing it in the mock-up pics has been such a relief! To see that it does work and will work beautifully in the big picture and it wasn't an awful impulse purchase is a mental load off.

  • Donaleen Kohn
    11 years ago

    How do you do that, Bella? I struggle to even get an idea of my counter top with the rest.

    And, Deedles, she has done a mighty thing for you. I like how the stove looks with that cabinetry, too

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    bellajourney: I don't have a definite idea in my head about the counter but I keep thinking about something whitish. This pic was like a Cupid's arrow in my heart when I first saw it. The gal at that company said it's limestone but something along those lines, colorwise?:

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    donaleen - The way I mock them up involves a bunch of layers, and tweaking the shapes, sizes, and colors of the layers in Photoshop. (My computer geek DH got me started with Photoshop many years ago, and for the past few years we've been working on our fixer upper home which has given me a Lot of practice with Photoshop mockups while trying out ideas for our house.)

    deedles - Ooooh. That countertop is beautiful! One thing I noticed is that it has a wood backsplash, instead of a white one. So I did one mockup keeping the white subway tiles, and one with a wood backsplash. I also got rid of the soapstone backsplash behind your lovely sink - it competed with it too much. I'm not sure yet which of the 3 looks I like best...what do you think?

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Bella: you have just made my day with this picture thing. SOO much fun!

    I think I like the original one best, actually.

    My window over the sink (which will be almost exactly like the one shown except it will be 3 vertical panes over one instead of the 6 squares over the one) will be down to the counter with no BS behind it... I wonder if that would make a difference with the white counters? The dark counters seem to 'ground' the whole thing somehow?

    Whichever, I really like the white back splash best.

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    deedles - SO glad you're having fun! I'm having a blast too! :)

    Is this what your window behind the sink will look like, roughly? (I brought it down to the sink, but I'm not sure if I got the 3 vertical panes right.)

    After having looked at the 3 images for awhile, I agree with you about liking the original soapstone counter image best. The wood backsplash, while pretty, is a bit too much wood/too dark. I like how the white(ish) subway tiles brighen things up. I also like how the soapstone offers contrast to the white backsplash; and if you're planning on using dark hardware - that would tie beautifully into the soapstone (or whatever dark countertop material you choose) as well. (My countertop vote would be soapstone, both for the tone you're going for, and b/c I'm a big soapstone fan and hope to have it in my kitchen one day!)

  • debrak_2008
    11 years ago

    Sorry I'm late voting. Quarter sawn, soapstone, subway tile. You must use that wall paper somewhere....

  • nosoccermom
    11 years ago

    The left picture, two posts up. Gorgeous!

  • sandra_zone6
    11 years ago

    Could you add in a simple design over the stove that included some of the colors from the stove and sink? I like the dark counters better, with the simple tile backsplash for what it's worth.

  • taggie
    11 years ago

    Quarter sawn, soapstone, subway tile.

    The left picture, two posts up. Gorgeous!

    Oooh, I agree. I officially change my vote from white cabs to the above quarter-sawn, with the white subways and dark countertops. That is one stunning looking kitchen!

  • poohpup
    11 years ago

    Love the quarter-sawn oak and the darker counters. Not a big soapstone fan but it looked fab in that mockup. But subway tiles . . . . . . . ????? NOOOOOOOO!!!!! I thought that mosaic looked FABULOUS!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, and don't mean to offend, but the subway tiles look so boring and your kitchen has so many wonderful elements that just don't go with boring. I've never understood that whole "only one clown" thing that people like to toss around. I think all the elements in the kitchen need to work with each other, but that doesn't mean one has to be boring, plain, simple just because something else is fab.

    I feel so much better that I got to put that out there. It's just my opinion.

    So glad to hear you're not planning on painting that ceiling because it is GORGEOUS!! Your kitchen is going to be breathtaking and I love your choices. I can't help it, really love that mosaic in your space. Love the wallpaper too.

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Bella: That is almost exactly the windows we've chosen for the house. Ours are in a chestnut (dark) stain but otherwise that's it. And, we're building that range hood, too. I decided that today. Will hold off on that announcement for awhile, though, lol.

    That's my kitchen. Dark counter, white or cream BS (possibly tile, possibly vertical wide planks painted) QS or fir, but that QS is looking really good.

    You have no idea how much mental energy you have saved me on this. I owe you one. Or two.

    DebraK: The paper is going to be used in the backsplash of a hutch set-up like this:

    Uh, hopefully it looks a little better IRL but it'll be in the kitchen as a stand-alone on one wall of the U. No idea as to the color of the hutch yet, but I think I'd like it painted.

    nosoccermom: seems to be unanimous!

    Sandra: Was actually playing around with something like that in my head today. Kind of wanted a stainless panel for ease of cleaning but something like that might be a nice touch.

    Taggie: vote change noted!

  • debrak_2008
    11 years ago

    Excellent!

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Oh Pooh! I don't think the mosaic is staying :(

    I do like it.

    However. I'm leaning more towards painted wide planks.. well, like 5" wide or random widths. Anyway. I was thinking about incorporating some kind of art tile inset into each section of BS. Something that works with the paper in style but doesn't compete. Maybe even tone on tone. What would you think about that?

    Anyway, I'm afraid to say the word 'tile' around DH. He still hasn't recovered from the pebble tile bathroom floor.

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    deedles - Oh wow - you're going to build the range hood in the photo!? How exciting! (What a stroke of luck for that particular photo to be chosen - or maybe it was simply meant to be!)

    It's funny that you should mention a wide plank backsplash - that's been my current front runner for our kitchen for months now. (Although, I'm thinking I'm going to give subway tiles a whirl too - I like the high gloss and how it adds a bit of sparkle.)

    Anyway - here's a mockup with some wide planks for you. (I didn't attempt the random widths since there are sooo many variations to choose from - if there is one that calls out to you, let me know.)

    And, for some more food for thought - have you considered maybe a shade of green for the hutch? (Playing on EATREALFOOD's idea of repeating a color from your sink.)

    The backsplash art inset is an interesting idea. I like your thought of tone on tone, to keep it subtle. Or to make it Extremely subtle, maybe even the same tone as the backsplash. Any thoughts on what art you would use?

  • poohpup
    11 years ago

    Still love the mosaic but have to say that I really like the wide planks too. They are a huge improvement over the subway tiles! LOVE the green for the hutch. It really sets off the wallpaper. I think they both work but I'm particularly loving the darker green. Just beautiful!

    bellajourney, your photoshop skills are amazing! You're such a wonderful person to spend time doing this. I think it has especially helped deedles because I think she was second guessing her decision to use her copper sink. Your skills have shown her just how wonderful everything is going to look together and her sink and Chambers range are going to be gorgeous together. What a wonderful way to pay it forward for the help you've received here. :)

    Deedles, your kitchen is going to be really special. Just can't wait until it's done!

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Bella: Whoa, planks look great! (You know, I was thinking about you last night and your great skills with photoshop. I think there has to be a business in there for you.)
    As far as inset tiles, I found these today and thought there were nice. What do you think about these?
    (I'll bet Lavender would approve)

    Pooh: I'm glad you like the planks. I really like them and so does DH. It suits the rustic river cabin thing that I'm going for. AND, I don't have to say 'tile' to him, lol.

    Green might be a good choice for the hutch. Def. want to pull from the paper. And work with the stove since the hutch is basically right next to the stove in the U. That is still TBD, I guess.

    Your right about Bella, such a nice thing to do and I can't say how much time this has shaved off my agonizing! I was starting to question that sink and how it fit into the whole thing.

  • poohpup
    11 years ago

    Deedles, the more I look at the pictures, the more I like the planks. I think you're right that they give that rustic river vibe. I think it will look even better with the varied widths.

    Out of those tiles, I like the birds and then the dragonfly. How were you planning to use them?

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    I was thinking they could be in the plank backsplash. Like cut a hole in the wood and stick the tile to the drywall. Probably make a wood 'frame' to finish around the tile/wood juncture. Maybe stained wood or white frame. Just my thoughts today, not set in stone.

    Here is my pitiful rendition of the backsplash with a tile.

  • taggie
    11 years ago

    Love those planks. Not a fan of the tile with the planks though. But I sure do LOVE LOVE LOVE that light green hutch playing off the sink and range. Gorgeous look.

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Hey Bella? I feel sheepish about asking but I have to: would you be willing to do one more pic showing a stainless countertop? I just want to be able to rule it out.

    If you can, no hurry though. Whenever it works for you.

    Thank you!

  • User
    11 years ago

    Bellajourney really is amazing!
    Deedles, one nice thing about a wood backsplash is that it is easy to hang stuff on so if you like the tiles you could frame and hang them without making a permanent commitment. I really like the quartersawn oak, soapstone, and darker pulls. Not sure which backsplash as several look nice but I do like the wide plank better than the small beadboard. The silver and glass pulls and knobs look a bit out of place with the other elements imo.

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    Hey deedles! Sure, I can work on a stainless countertop mockup. :) My laptop died yesterday, and I'm using an old, slow one at the moment, which set me back work-wise. Once I do a little bit of catch up with my work, I can play with the mockup again later today. (How I would LOVE to be able to play with mockups all day as my "job" - does such a job exist!? Sign me up!)

    Hmmm - the hutch will be right next to the stove? I'm not sure if I'd prefer it green then. =/ I wish I knew how to use a 3D rendering program so I could mockup the exact layout of your kitchen. DH knows how to use one...maybe he can teach me... :)

    I am in TOTAL agreement with athomeinva! (And thank you,athomeinva, for the compliment!) If you want to add touches of art, hanging them would be Perfect (I've seen another kitchen with beadboard and frames hung on it - I'll have to look for it). And I also like how the dark hardware fits into the color scheme. When I mockup the stainless countertops, I'll include stainless hardware too, so you can see the whole picture, and compare it with the soapstone/dark hardware.

    Poohpup - Oh my goodness, such kind words. Thank you so much! :)


  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    The photo on the right is the one I was remembering with framed art hung on the beadboard. And, in my "beadboard backsplash" file I also had the left photo where they hung decorative plates on the wood backsplash.

  • poohpup
    11 years ago

    Deedles, I much prefer the idea of you hanging framed tiles on the BS rather than incorporating them into the BS. And I don't think it's just because of the commitment to the tile, I just think it will look better. Definitely like the added benefit that you can move them around and change them out. 3M makes really great strips you can use to hang the tiles without damaging the BS. Love the picture of the plates hung on the plank BS above.

    Bella, there has to be a job in this for you. There are so many people who struggle with envisioning how different materials will work together.

  • User
    11 years ago

    I originally planned to hang framed tile behind my range but never found the right ones so I have a large watercolor there instead. Although my backsplash is wide plank it has a small bead in the middle, not exactly the original plan but it is what it is.

    {{!gwi}}

  • lisa_wi
    11 years ago

    Great job Bella!

    Love the oak cabs and the green (lighter I think) hutch. How about the white counters on the hutch?

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thanks Bella! Whenever is fine. My laptop died recently, too. Well, after I fell asleep with a travel mug full of coffee AT my laptop and the coffee went IN my laptop. Dang it. And yes, the U is--Hutch=right leg, stove-bottom leg, prep sink peninsula-left leg. Fridge/clean up sink=straight run across the aisle from U top. That puts the lighter green kinda out, IMO. Still maybe a very dark green would work. Or something else.

    athomeinva: That is probably the best way to do the BS. I do like to change things up after awhile...

    I like the dark pulls, too. I have a gob of those vintage glass knobs... and they are BIG ones so I'd like to use them on the uppers if it works out.

    okay. :)

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Pooh: yes, I've reached the same conclusion re: tile. I like to change things like that too much to commit.
    I also think Bella could find a business doing this for people. How much would you pay to have someone show you finished kitchens with this amount of detail when you spend that amount of $$ on a redo or new build? I mean, really.

    athomeinva: Hey! That looks familiar, lol. Beautiful! I guess I'm channeling your kitchen. What are your cabs (wood/finish)? They're beautiful!

    Lisa_WI: I have a big, old plank from the attic of a house I used to own... it's QS oak, approx. 12" wide and like 8 ft. long? DH screeched a bit when he found it laying up there and we've been storing it ever since to use somewhere, someday. He figured it was left over from when the house was built in 1890 something. Anyway, I was hoping to use that on the hutch, maybe. Always said we'd never cut it unless it was for something wonderful and special. What area of WI are you in? I'm over by the Fox cities.

  • lisa_wi
    11 years ago

    Deedles that makes sense about the countertop. What is the color of the stove? Is it yellow or pale green? I'm in Kohler.

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    The stove is pale green. Too close in color to the lighter pic hutch to work, IMO.

    I think I asked you where you were once already... and if you had ever been to the Ann Sacks tile place at The American Club? Wasn't that you. My memory...... :>P

  • steph2000
    11 years ago

    I am prepared to hire BellaJ today. I was last week, too. The renditions are incredibly helpful, especially for those of us who are not great at visualizing accurately. I am one of those people.

  • lisa_wi
    11 years ago

    Deedles yes you did ask before and yes I've been there :) have you been to the Design Center? We were there again last week for the unveiling of Mick De Giulios new kitchen space. DH worked on a kitchen sink design with him that is used in the space so I got to meet Mick ;)

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    I was at the design center last February, but there were only a couple of kitchens, as I remember. The bathrooms were unbelievable, though! I'd like to go back there. Maybe I can talk DH into going over for brunch in the Wisconsin room and then a walk through the design center again and check out the new kitchen. Sorry for the repeat question. Hopefully I'll retain it this time, lol.

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    Just a quick note to say that work was crazy busy today - I will work on the new mockup (and reply to everyone) tomorrow. I'm sorry! :(

  • User
    11 years ago

    Thanks Deedles. Sorry the pic is so durn big, I resized it once but it was still big then photobucket said it could no longer access it so I gave up.
    My cabinets are natural cherry that have been in for 3 and a half years so they have darkened a good bit. I really like the cherry but quartersawn oak is prob my favorite wood of all. Do you have your plan posted here?

  • boxerpups
    11 years ago

    Deedles,
    Just wanted to say I am loving this thread.
    Quarter sawn oak is my fav along with the simple backsplash.
    And all the ideas make me realize I have been away from GW too long.
    Looking foward to seeing this lovely design come together.

    ~boxerpups

  • enduring
    11 years ago

    Boxerpups! where have you been? Nice to see your post:)

  • lisa_wi
    11 years ago

    deedles I'm not sure how the tile stores are in the Fox Cities, but Etched in Stone in Manitowoc was great. I didn't end up getting my tile there but the designer there is the one who helped me figure out I liked the quartzite. I should have skipped the Mke stores and just gone there!

    Here is a link that might be useful: Etched in Stone

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Oh gosh Bella, don't worry about it, please. I can almost picture stainless anyway... almost...

    athomeinva: your pic didn't seem too big to me. I do like cherry, I must say. If it wasn't for the tendency to the orange-ish with the pine ceiling, I'd probably be picking cherry like yours. Really gorgeous.

    Boxerpups!! So happy to see you are still out there! I've thought of you often. Glad you like the choices thus far. We've been having a lot of fun with Bella's crazy photoshop skillz...

    So happy to see you, though!

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Lisa: you must have missed my thread on the nightmarish tile store nearest to me... yeekk. Your tile is really perfect for that kitchen....I just think it's fabulous! You got a lot of bang for the buck with that.

    athomeinva: I'll do an updated layout.

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    Okay - here's the stainless. I'm not sure the mockup accurately portrays what stainless would Really look like, sooo much depends on lighting and reflection. I did the best I could, but I'm not 100% happy with it. (I lighened up the backsplash too, since it looked really off with the warmer backsplash in the soapstone version.)

    Here are my thoughts - I think the glass knobs look cute - but they are attention grabbing. If you want to use them, maybe do the uppers only, or save them for a special place, like the hutch. I'm not loving the pulls with the rest of the kitchen elements (too cold). They would fit in better if they were pewter, or black (like the soapstone version). The stainless, while pretty, doesn't seem like the right feel for a rustic / arts and crafts kitchen. If you want more of a gray countertop color, you could still do soapstone, and just not oil it (although I do like the contrast the black counter provides).

    Poohpup - When you wrote, "There are so many people who struggle with envisioning how different materials will work together." - I immediately thought - Yes! And I am one of them! I have such a hard time picturing things, and have countless mockups of our home so I could try different looks out and pick my favorite.

    lisa wi - Thanks! :)

    deedles - Ugh - so sorry to hear that your laptop died too. Yeah, I agree that if the hutch is next to the stove, the light green is out. I've got to figure out how to do a mockup with the exact layout so you can better judge what color hutch would look best - I think I'm going to need to learn a new program for that. Oh drat - I just realized that you were only planning on using the glass knobs on the uppers. I can make a new mockup if you want. Just let me know.

    Steph2000 - I'm so flattered!! I'm really excited about the idea of somehow turning making mockups into a career. I would get to play all day! How fun! But I definitely don't have the career aspect of it figured out yet. I'd be happy to help you make a mockup as well. You could post your images on a new thread, or email them to me. Whatever you prefer. :)

  • deedles
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Alrighty then. Stainless is out. Dark something is in. I love that you were able to put the glass knobs on the doors! I do want to use them on the uppers only and maybe the hutch, too. Bella, I salute you. You've given me a clear vision of where I'm going and what I'm using for the main surfaces of that kitchen. I can move forward cleanly now and I thank you so much.

    I'm working on my final graph paper layout right now. When I'm done I'll post.

  • bellajourney
    11 years ago

    You're so very welcome! Can't wait to see the layout! (And if you want help mocking up anything else, floors, different hardware, etc. - just let me know.) :)