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Posted by romy718 (My Page) on
Sat, Oct 26, 13 at 11:38

When I ordered this backsplash, I was made aware that since it was handglazed, "some variations in color were to be expected". I specifically asked if I would get some blue tiles as most of the tiles are silver/grey. I was told yes and also that some of the blue could be darker/more saturated with color and to order extra tile in case I didn't like the darker blue tiles.
My tiles arrived, not one tile with even a hint of blue. The tile is pretty but what really drew me to this choice was the occassional blue tile. I think it is kind of blah without it. The tile girl says it is very unusual not to get any blue but both she and my KD are "no guarantee on color range."
I want some blue tiles. My KD offered to see what the return policy is, return these tiles and place a custom color order, which I know will be much more expensive. These tiles were expensive to begin with. If I hadn't specifically asked about the blue before placing the order, I could see where a custom order would be my only alternative.
I'm even wondering if I should order a different color to make sure I get more color.
Edit: there are two blue tiles on this board. The middle one in the second row and the one on the left in the 5th row. They don't look blue in this picture but they are adding interest to the overall look because they are a different color.
The tiles I received are all generally the same color and look boring.

This post was edited by romy718 on Sat, Oct 26, 13 at 13:49


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Sample board with my range & cabinets. Also, the tile becomes taupey looking at night.


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I don't see any blue at all in the sample board???? It's all taupe with some greyer section than browner sections. And I don't see that having blue in the tile would work with your other elements.

Do you have pics of the tile that you received?


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That tile is beautiful. Please post details on brand.

I don't see the blue either. It sounds as if there was a misunderstanding between the KD and you on what the interpretation of blue is. She might be thinking subtle differences in shading whereas you are thinking actual blue.

I wonder what it would look like if you found the blue you liked on the sample board, ordered some and randomly mixed them in. Just a suggestion.

Personally, I love what you are showing without the blue. Gorgeous kitchen.

When did Wolf start offering SS knobs?


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Trust me, there are blue tiles. I thought maybe I had imagined them & went and picked up the tile board and brought it home to compare to my tiles. My husband, who had seen the tile board before we ordered, thought they sent the wrong tiles. The blue tiles make all the difference, turning a kind if boring grey to something interesting. We weren't particularly fond of how the tiles turned to taupe at night but they were so pretty during the day.
I am not committed to blue except for a couple of blue area rugs and some pottery. I could do something different if an expensive custom order is my only alternative.The kitchen and family room are one big room, painted grey, BM La Paloma Gray.
Everything at this point is neutral.

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I think if you want a blue backsplash, the 5th one down in the second photo you posted would have been a better choice. The sample board you show propped up in the kitchen is distinctly a browner gray in your picture, or "light taupe". I'll take your word that the greyer sections appear blue IRL, but it doesn't show up on the photo at all.

Post some pictures of what you received.


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I love the suggestion by red_lover…ordering some subtle blue tiles and randomly mixing them in. Then you wouldn't have to do a custom order. Maybe you could even exchange some of the tiles you have for some blue so you wouldn't have to pay any more money.

I can not wait for your kitchen to be done!! It is so gorgeous and those tiles are just as gorgeous…all of them, every color! I know you must be frustrated. What else needs to be done for your kitchen to be completed?


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Which one on those sample boards is your tile color?


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You can't see the blue? It is very subtle in my pics. I was starting to feel like the crazy, obsessed blue tile lady until I picked up the sample board. Also, my husband, who is definitely not TKO, agrees. They are made by Encore Ceramics, Crackle Tiles in Silver.
red lover, love your kitchen, btw. I had suggested adding one of their blues but the tile salesgirl said they would not blend. Wolf is making the knobs in stainless.
I'll attempt a tile board to see if I need to find a different tile. I'll post a pic.
Hollysprings, I don't want a blue backsplash. I wanted a silver-grey backsplash with an occassional blue toned tile. I knew the tiles would not be exactly like the sample board but the missing blue is definitely making them appear more taupe than grey.
Encore has some beautiful color choices. Thinking maybe I should pick another color.

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Frankly, I'm confused. I don't see any blue at all on the subway sample board behind your range. I do see various colors on the square tile sample boards.

Editing this because you posted while I was posting.

I do see tiles on the sample board that are slightly darker on the edges. Are those the blue tile?

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The blue tiles are actually the ones appear silver or grey, the middle one on the second row and the one on the left on the 5th row (on the board sitting on my range). I should have explained that at the beginning. I can see the blue because I know it is there. Right now, you are all thinking I am color blind (and crazy)!
But now I feel like I'm making a little more sense. It's not so much that I am missing the blue, the tiles I received are all the same color, so there is no contrast or variability in the colors.

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Ok` I definitely see blue in your last pic that you posted.

I, however, have no suggestions for you - just confirmation that you are not going crazy.


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I see the blue tiles - you're not crazy! This is a really tough call. Having just place a custom order on the same line of tile, I know how you must feel with the color not being what you expected. I don't think, however, ordering blue tiles and mixing them in is a good idea. The blues are definitely blue and your silver is a taupey blueish gray. I'm wondering if you can place another small order of the silver and specifically ask for all blueish variations of the silver tile.

ETA: I just reread your OP and you already did that. Hmm. Who said that you would get the blueish tiles - your KD or the people who ordered the tile? I would get ahold of the Encore people directly and explain the situation. See if they can't get you some more of the blueish silver tile.

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I do see a hint of blue in this last picture - in the tiles closest to the stainless. And while I can see how you would find that desirable, I think these tiles are just gorgeous. But if you didn't love the way they turned taupe at night and this is now how they look in the daytime, then you might want to choose another color. Looks like their are many choices! Good luck - your kitchen is just
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I don't think it really matters whether the tiles are blue or not. I can definitely see that the two tiles you mention on the sample board are a cooler tone than the others. I also would call Encore and ask what they suggest. It looks like the description reads, a light silver with hints of dusty rose, light blue and mint undertones.


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I can see the hint of blue in the closeup and agree that would be really lovely and interesting in your kitchen. I wouldn't settle for something without that special flair that drew you to it. Hopefully they will exchange them or try to find you some of the bluish tiles.

I put out a warning not long ago to someone to make sure to order several sample tiles from the range of colors -- even one box -- from the current lot they will be filling the order from. Each firing varies and can even differ so much that it doesn't look like the same tile. You think you are ordering one thing, based on their sample boards or floors, but you receive something else. It's like the tile world's dirty little secret -- and most of them won't take returns. If you are ordering through your KD or contractor you might have better luck with those policies due to the repeat business. Unfortunately, you'll probably get hit with a restock fee just to have gotten the chance to see the tile in person.

When sampling tiles, it can still be sketchy as it's just a stock person who might not be aware there are a few bluish tiles scattered in (unless specifically directed by the store because of a problem like this).

P.S. No I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to receive what you were shown. You would be amazed at just how different some of these firings can be.

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Here is a picture I found on Houzz of the same tile. I can definitely see the blue. It looks a little pink as well. But it is beautiful tile.

I agree with the poster above. If the description states that some tiles will have shades of blue and that's what you expected, I would insist that a couple of boxes be exchanged at no cost to you. Your tile store should call the supplier. In my small town here, they would do that to keep my business.

Surely, then the new boxes will have a better mixture.

Is yours a new build or a remodel? Is there any details on your kitchen?


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nosoccermom - you are right, it doesn't matter if they are blue, I just need some tiles that are cooler toned. Take those two to three blue tiles out and it is a completely different look.

Marthastoo -The tile salesgirl told me there would be blue tiles. I did pay $14 more per square foot than you did. That's my KD's upcharge, which I don't mind paying as long as she is my advocate & helps me resolve this. This started on Wednesday. On Friday, I realized that they were all expecting me to accept this tile, as is. I feel like they think I'm being unreasonable and probably crazy.
I will contact Encore if necessary. I want to give them a chance to work it out.
edit:too wordy

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My silver backsplash tiles. Please help me pick out a new color.


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Help me pick out an alternate color. On this board, possibly mint or celery , #2 or #3 on the right side. Thanks all.
BOARD #1
Two tile squares for each color
LEFT SIDE
1.Cameo
2.Peridot
3.Bamboo
4.Waterfall
5.Jade
6.Pond
7.Tea Green

RIGHT SIDE
1. Moonlight
2. Mint
3. Celery
4. Cashmere
5. Sage
6. Stream
7. Too Dark

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What do you think of 2, 3, or 4 on the right side with your other elements. In theory, I think Silver looked like the best option but obviously in reality that may not be the case. Yours look very taupe to my eye.


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No. 3 on the left is silver, which are the tiles I have laid out. Not sure there is another option on this board.
BOARD #2
2 Tile Squares for Each Color
LEFT SIDE
1.Beach
2.Truffle
3.Silver (my color)
4.Smoke
5.Storm
6.Heliotrope
7.Ink

RIGHT SIDE
1. Bali
2. Riviera
3.Slate
4.Midnight
5.Denim
6.Cerulean
7.Cobalt

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I think that the Peridot picks up the taupe tones in your floor as well as the grey tones in your marble. And I like the contrast it provides. I also like #7 Unnamed on the right side for the drama it gives, but I suspect you don't since you left the name off.

And I don't think that what you received is so bad either. It brings in the warmer tones of the floor.


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I like celery and storm.


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I don't know that I have anything valuable to input other than I have been interested in that exact same tile for my kitchen...I will follow this with great interest. Good luck!


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I like board 1: L#4 Waterfall R#4Cashmere R#6 Stream


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Thanks for your opinions, I really appreciate it.
rubyclaire, I do like 2, 3 & 4, mint, celery & cashmere. Cashmere is lovely but it is a definite color commitment. The other two seem more neutral.

hollysprings, the floor you see is cardboard with walnut underneath. I have another island with a dark walnut top that isn't in the pictures. I couldn't read the name on the last dark one but I don't want to go that dark. Thanks for asking to see the tile because it made me lay them all out & I have the weekend to look at them.
msrose, I really like the two colors in storm but am afraid of that much contrast without seeing a picture with something similar. I don't have "design vision". I like celery. Strange name for that color because it doesn't look like celery.
DH said "why don't you just relax & see if they will get you the blue on Monday". That would be the solution.


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Yes, there is always option #8 Relax. :)

Looking forward to how this works out for you!


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You have a beautiful kitchen and I am excited to see pictures when the backsplash is done. I have tiles that either are very similar or are the same as the tiles you wanted. The color does have a bluish tone to it and a very very faint pink, but they are not blue. Some have more of the bluish color then others. I tried taking a picture but it doesn't show the color well. I really like the color of my tiles but it does make the kitchen have a very cool feel. Why don't you like the color of the tiles they sent you? Again your kitchen is so pretty.


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Is it possible they sent you the color? Far fetched I know.


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Oh tile, how you vex the TKO.

The original that you wanted (and as seen in the Houzz image) is gorgeous. So pretty. Well, they are all pretty and I can't offer you any help other than I feel your frustration. You'll get it right in the end, though.... don't accept anything other than what you feel is perfect.


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duplicate

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It does look more like Smoke on the sample board. L#4. Or even L#2

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They are looking a little more silver today. Not relaxing, but I am kind of having fun rearranging the tiles everytime I walk in the kitchen. I've downloaded just about every picture of Encore tile there is on the web so I will be a good resource for Encore tile questions. Beautiful "Textures" line that I'm sure is insanely expensive. I never looked at the other colors. I fell in love with the sample board. It was probably the one decision I didn't agonize over. TKO-very bothered that I misspelled Backsplash.


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Red lover, a few kitchen details, my cabinets are Wood-Mode Regent Inset Nordic White (many hours of angst that it was too white),
Vermont Danby Imperial (was sure those were not going to be white enough), dark walnut floors, La Paloma Gray walls which are much lighter than shown in the pic. That sample board would have been perfect. I am going to fight for those light blueish tiles (learned that from GW). Also, because of GW, I have DRAWERS!
This was a complete gut & remodel. I've been waiting 18 years to get rid if the pink/mauve formica.

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I think that the last pic you posted with them spread out on the island is just lovely. No, it's not what you originally envisioned, but I do think sometimes serendipity strikes and we get what we need rather than what we want. The tiles add a bit of warmth to the room that all of the cooler choices desperately need.


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Your kitchen is going to be beautiful! I don't have any fantastic advice, but I did want to tell you that I see the hints of blue in your first pics, and I agree that it would be gorgeous in your kitchen. Stick to your quest for those bluish tiles, OP! Part of that extra $14/sq ft you're paying surely ought to go towards helping the customer with these types of details ;-)


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Honestly, I still would call Encore, especially since these are not dirt cheap tiles. If they advertise the tiles as having rosy, blue, and mint undertones, then I certainly would want those subtle shades. That's why you go with Encore tiles and not th ebottom priced tiles.
Also, how do you know that whatever other tiles you pick won't also come in a relatively unique color?
Of the tiles you posted, I like celery, cashmere (also storm).


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Romy...that's why your cabinets are so gorgeous and well done.

Your kitchen will be beautiful no matter which tile you use but I really wonder if they sent the wrong tile.

The tile they sent is beautiful. Enough to make me remember it. Building again in the spring and taking notes on your kitchen.

Ps. I al so had the mauve (with gray) many, many years ago.


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Romy, any good news with your backsplash?


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I did get good news today. My KD opened most of the boxes of tile & found 2 blue tiles. They are going to send one of them to Encore & have more made. The tiles are darker than the sample board but there are enough grey ones that I believe they are the Silver. They look a little more grey in this picture. You all helped me communicate my message. Thank you! Once the backsplash is in, the electricians will finish and my kitchen will be in business.
Red lover, your kitchen is gorgeous. You must be building a new home?
Lcskaisgir, I'm looking forward to your slabs this week. I hadn't seen pictures of the slabs T&M transferred for me. I was very pleasantly surprised. I hope you are too.


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Well, your DH was right. Relax and let them get you the blue tiles! Glad to know that your KD is earning their $ and fixing the situation for you. I definitely saw the blue in the sample, and not in your sample and you did a good thing by not "settling". Can't want to see the final reveal.


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Just wanted to say that your kitchen is beautiful! Love the cabinets and counters and flooring. Glad you're getting some blue tinted tiles to work in.


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I do see acouple of the blue or cooler tiles on the tiles u have laid out on the counter- so if your worried there is not enough contrast- I would say I def. see alot of contrast. Plus yours aren't grouted, and I believe the sample board was - with white grout, which will prob. lighten the look from a taupe as you say to more of a lighter gray like you want like the board. I think it will turn out great. Looking forward to it, as it might now be a contender for my kitchen! Gorgeous so far! Good luck!


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Romy
Beautiful tiles with or without the blue!
Glad you are getting what you want for your awesome new kitchen!
Gag- 18 years with mauve - you are amazing survive that!


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Michelle16, your kitchen was one of my inspiration kitchens. Thanks for helping me figure out my island. I hope you are enjoying your beautiful home!


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Thanks Romy, would love to do these tiles myself, but being I have a wall of gray cabinetry, it might be too much gray. I keep going back to my original vision which is Artistic Tiles claridges- but its super expensive.


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Romy, your kitchen is STUNNING! I am so glad it will all work out in the end. I cannot wait to see the finished kitchen!

Marthastoo, cwould you please share where your Encore tiles came from? Thanks!


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wishiwasinoz - I ordered my Encore tiles from Avalon Tile. They have several locations, but they only carry Encore at their King of Prussia and Cherry Hill locations.


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So...we MAY have a resolution. I have one lone blue tile in my current picture, darker blue than what I would have liked. Actually, I think all the tile is darker than what I expected. Initially, Encore was not going to make me more blue tiles, stating that "the tiles are within the expected color range". My KD intervened. After sending pics & explaining the situation, they are going to experiment & see if they can make a blue tile to blend with my tiles. I should find out in the next few days if this is possible. I've asked & I'm hoping to get a lighter blue than the one in the picture. The plan is to wait & see how the blue tiles blend & go from there. I have to say, my KD has been great & I'm happy with Encore's responsiveness.
Michelle16, the Claridges is beautiful.


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I still love your tiles, with the shading variations.

I'm going back to store that sells these; so pretty.


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These tiles are just beautiful...I hope you get as close to your vision as you can! We are about to pour the foundation on a new house and I will also look for these tiles when I get closer to the finishing stage. Good luck and looking forward to your final reveal!


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Thanks Marthastoo!

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Romy, your kitchen is exquisite! I am glad it appears you will be able to stay with your original plan.


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Romy I just love your kitchen! I can see the one blue tile in the last photo but it is beautiful. I think your backsplash is going to be breath-taking. Can't wait to see it when it is finished. Would you mind sharing how much these tiles cost per sq ft?


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Kam, I paid $43 per sq. ft. but Marthastoo paid $29 per sq. ft. I'm not sure if the price difference was my KD's upcharge, shipping or tax. Thanks, it is beautiful tile.


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romy, the tile (with and without the blue) is gorgeous. At the sq. ft. price, you need to be absolutely happy and satisfied with it. I'm glad your KD is so supportive and Encore so responsive. It will be a beautiful backsplash!


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Romy, you are so close! Uncovering that floor will be like unwrapping a present, the walnut island is stunning and I'm excited to see the whole reveal. I'm glad you are getting support from GW and your KD to get the right backsplash color mix, that kitchen deserves it!


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Beautiful tile!!!
Is there an update?


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Romy,

I picked up my samples of Cameo, ans saleswoman gave me a few silvers. All the silvers are definitely silver/bluish, so clash with my counter, which has more green tone. I just think your silver don't show well in pictures.

I tried taking a few pictures of the Cameo, near window, with light and without, and my counters don't show as grey as they are in person.


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In picture above, Cameo looks yellow. It really looks like the sample board color.

IRL, don't yours look silver not taupe?


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Encore custom made me a batch of bluish tiles to blend with my original order. They've been shipped but probably won't arrive before Thanksgiving. They send my KD this picture. I'm not sure what I think of the picture (green?). I'll just have to wait & see them in person. The original tiles are still sitting on my countertop. I've grown fond of them. Sometimes they look very silver, sometimes taupe depending on the lighting. It's going to be a little embarrassing if I don't like the blue after making such a fuss.
Bookworm, how do you like the Cameo? It does look a little yellow on my moniter but the color blends with your backsplash.


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Romy,
They are the nicest crackle tiles I have seen. The saleswoman said she would NOT order me silver, as too often came with blue tones. The Cameo is on the other board, and has a green undertone. It is definitely not yellow, nor are my countertops (predominantly grey).

I'm not sure it is best match for my cabinets, and if I can figure out how to get some decent photos, I'll post separately. I just love the crackle over the glass tiles I've been shown. If I could do it all again, I'd shop BS first, and then find a quartz countertop that lets the BS shine.

In your last picture, the silver looks dark, and I know it isn't. It is truly lovely.

What I have learned from you is that I will order several extra sheets. If some tiles look too dark/off color, I can have extras to replace.


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Bookworm,
Here's a pic of the Cameo I found on the Encore website, beautiful.


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