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| Ok.
So all these threads on losing your mind, (so-called) hardships, and the nuttiness of the contractors are interesting. I feel like the bobble head dog in the back of car windows as I read some of these. I understand, but often just don't get it. They why of it. But I have a question here: Am I nuts because I don't go through this?
So.. Is anyone out there as complacent as I? Not sweating things? Just going with the flow, even though that in itself can be ... stagnant? Or is this just insanity stemming from the overwhelmedness I sometimes talk about? |
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| Christine- I think one of the biggest differences between you and others as you are describing it is two-fold. One, you ARE in charge, in control, in complete control , because YOU are doing it. Yes, there are many, many, DIY-ers on here. This is not to take anything away from them at all-they (and you) are awesome and I bow down to you guys because I am so NOT a DYI-er of that ilk. But you just have to deal with YOU. And (two), you are coming from a place where it sounds like you were NOT in very much control of your life for awhile. So it's freeing (and also really hard) to be. I don't know if that makes any sense at all. Just my two cents. |
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- Posted by mrsmortarmixer (My Page) on Wed, Aug 15, 12 at 16:42
| Another DIY-er that doesn't stress about anything other than staying up too and worrying if I'll be up to get my oldest on the bus at 7 am. I'm not indecisive as much as I'm a realist and know that I have no design sense. I don't know what goes together or what matches. I just use the kitchen to cook in. If I think it's nice that is a bonus. My biggest problem is I don't live in an area with big fancy stores, so I don't know what's out there, and often I can't find what I'm looking for locally. No a-ha moments as you mentioned. I knew I wanted white cabinets, because I've had white or dark cabinets since we've owned a home. It's what I like. I'm sure everyone thinks I'm nuts on here for not switching out cabinets for drawers. Maybe when my knee finally gives out I'll make the switch, until then, I'm going to bend down and get what I need out of a cabinet instead of bending down to get something out of a drawer. While my kitchen isn't done, and probably will never be completely finished, my pantry is set in stone. Everything is designed and waiting for demo. We'll do it when we have time. But the pantry is far more important to me than the kitchen will ever be. I'm TPO, totally pantry obsessed, not TKO by any means. My biggest headaches have been working with local craftsmen and workers waiting on flooring, countertops, cabinets, etc. They all work normal jobs and do the craft jobs as extra income, but we went with those that we trusted and were known for their work, not for their quick turn around times. It just meant waiting for other things while we were waiting for those things. And driving to get things that I need 45 minutes or more away because the local hardware stores don't carry what I need. Wasted a lot of gas and a lot of time there. I still don't have a sink, but I have a drain and a water line that I can use or I can walk 20 steps to the old kitchen to use the old sink. My stuff is spread all over the house, and I can't find my blender, but I'm getting some extra exercise. I figure one day things will be organized again, no big deal. I can live with it the way it is. |
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- Posted by runninginplace (My Page) on Wed, Aug 15, 12 at 18:24
| I didn't think you have actually started a kitchen have you? My impression may be incorrect but I thought you are in a process in which you are buying miscellaneous cabinetry and trim you find for bargain prices, but haven't yet embarked on the final stage of putting the room together with the various pieces (ie the "200' of cabinetry"). As the saying goes, not that there's anything wrong with that but still it probably doesn't reflect too much of what most of the folks on the forum are dealing with. By the time I had saved the money and dealt with spousal resistance to the idea of a new kitchen I didn't have a lot of indecision per se; I knew VERY well what I wanted. I did have to do a great deal of intensive decision making, face unexpected factors that often created added expense, and have lots of interaction with tradesmen doing various technical work. People who go the DIY route face stressful levels of not only physical but mental labor, often much longer time frames of having their homes disrupted and can also experience the need to spend more than expected or budgeted. Then too, as I mentioned for my situation, many (most?) people remodeling a kitchen have other people to consider. Not only spouses but children of whatever age, perhaps extended family members living there etc. All of that can definitely be crazy making. A person in your situation-living alone and not actively working on the kitchen-probably isn't exposed or susceptible to the same craziness of course. Enjoy the peace and quiet! Eventually you will get to the actual remodeling and it will probably be a little more exciting. |
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| Boy, do I know what CEFreeman means. I often wince at the distress expressed here or sigh at the rather ferocious determination brought to a project. DIY experience, in itself, is not THE explanation. Self confidence and being able to keep balanced no doubt are a big part of it, and DIYers are going to be above average in both. We not bring very different life experiences here, though, we are are all types of people. Some are naturally stable, others also get to develop more balance, or wisdom, the hard way. Some haven't had that opportunity. Feeling out of control is a guaranteed stress builder. Maybe before starting any remodel, some might benefit greatly from taking an assertiveness class that teaches one how to shout "NO!" and mean it. What regrets I had from building my house mostly arose from not saying "No! Thank you for your advice/concern/speed, but please redo it the way I wanted." That I was sometimes able to walk away with little regret, unwilling to pay to redo, came from the perspective that age and experience give. I never expected it go all go my way. Way often the initial standard seems to be set unrealistically, a person too personally invested in a typically undefined perfection. So many are disappointed and let down afterward when the fine kitchen they've achieved is compared to that vague, still-undefined perfection. It all may sometimes even end up seeming a little...unseemly. Then there's money, of course. Spending too much of it or the right amount. Stress or serenity. Good sense or foolishness. Whether a TKOer is placid or easily stressed, untried or a tough old bag, managing to keep the kitchen in proper perspective is going to be key to handling it all well. |
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| Um, I'm one of the crazy ones from the other post. C'mon, we were just having a little fun. A sense of humor during a kitchen remodel essential. Now, I have to go and measure a wall - again, lol. |
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| I think you hit it on the head with this statement: Am I nuts because I don't go through this? I, on the other hand, have been plagued by indecision all my life. From the time I had a nickel to spend on candy... Do I get the Slo Poke or the Brown Cow, to my current granite quandary. Both due to the fact that I had/have limited funds and will have to live with my decision for awhile before having the funds to do anything different. I make some decisions easily and almost without thinking. The hard ones are the ones that I really feel I don't have enough knowledge about. |
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| I'm from the other post as well. I did go through sleepless nights and indecision over choices. Why? Perhaps because I'm not a DIY'er, perhaps because it was a whole house renovation where we moved out for 6 months and spent an obscene amount of money and the control and the money was handed over to someone else. However, my GC knew exactly what I wanted, he knew who was in charge because I made it clear that it was my money, my reno, my way. I had done my research but all the choices for my entire house was on a sample board and trying to see that in real life was daunting. So yea, wine and sleepless nights and agonizing over choices and making changes mid-reno were my life for over a year. For me, this was a once in a lifetime project and I don't have the money to redo it if I screw it up nor do I have the knowledge or talent to fix my screw ups myself. I envy those that do. |
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| Your attitude may be a little different than some, but so is your situation. You are DIY'ing, you answer only to yourself, and you're okay going without vital parts of your house for long periods of time. Most people here probably don't fall into those categories. We're having a house custom built using a GC, and we have to stay on schedule and within budget. We don't have the luxury of letting things percolate until we find exactly what we want at a price that's in budget or saving our money to get what we want. Plus, it's a big financial investment that people don't want to get wrong. All that makes for a big basket of stress. Our DIY projects haven't been nearly as stressful because they really are a different beast. |
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| Here's what I remember:rolling my eyes at people agonizing over cabinet hardware choices or backsplash decisions when our kitchen was demolished and walls open to the studs and it took (I just measured again) 25 steps to get to a sink or MW. Try cooking pasta or corn on your camping gas burner...it takes forever to get water boiling. Fast forward a year and fortunately, I am nearer the latter situation. Everything is relative. Bottom line, Christine, love ya! Love hearing about the good things in your life - and you make the bad things very interesting too. If you -when you- write your first book, you can count on me to buy the first, second and third copies. Best, oldbat2be |
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| My kitchen reno is done. I'm glad I did it, but I'm even more glad it's done. The little things that aren't perfect, I can live with. I won't say it made me crazy, but I was more stressed than usual and would come unglued over any little hitch. I'm happy to say that it's over and I feel restored to reasonably good mental health. I'm not a DIYer and have a limited budget, so yeah, I was dependent on the workers who traipsed through my house, played their boom boxes and left the toilet seat up. I don't mind spending my money, but I hate being taken advantage of. I live alone. It's a curse and a blessing. I didn't have anyone bleating that they wanted stained wood cabs while I wanted them painted white. I got to make all the decisions. The downside, is I had to make all the decisions. No one said, do you really want THAT tile? Maybe you want to sleep on it. Nobody ran interference for me when I was too angry or clueless to have a rational discussion with my GC. |
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| The other part is: what is your level of experience in the process. I think if we were to do it again, each decision would be simpler. The first time around, each one seems so final and important. |
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| One of the principal reasons I chose to DIY was to be in control, and not to have to either cede decisions to someone else or else make them faster than I wanted to . Decision fatigue is a real psychological phenomenon. While I cannot empathize, I can truly sympathize with those that are stressed from making decisions. |
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| As we all know, stress is cumulative. This is a Kitchen Forum and chatter constrains itself, +/-, to issues surrounding a kitchen. But stress leaks in from everywhere. What is expressed may seemingly be outsized, therefore, because large swaths of contributors to a poster's trauma may be hidden from view, often. Moreover, it's my impression that CEFreeman is a glorious, unique-osity. I am not in the least surprised to learn your reaction, Christine, is perhaps a little off the norm, to the extent that we any of us have any vague accuracy in our efforts at characterizing that. Plus, there is such a thing as artistic license. I, for example, know precisely where I left my mind, I think. |
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| [LOL] Leela4, I have come to that conclusion over many things myself. I think that's a very big contributing factor! Marti8a, I laughed out loud. I could see a little one standing by the candy counter frozen, because there were too many choices. That I get! :) I see the overwhelming answer though is being a DIYer. A few clarifications: Oldbat2b, thanks for the thumbs up. Funny, though. Odd, I should say. When I thought we were working together to get thru STBX' depression, illnesses and exhaustion to work on the house, I was patient and didn't care. With it being only me, I am driven to get dreams underway. I do suffer the occasional inertia I've discussed before, but the big spurts of energy accomplish huge amounts. I work so much because it's an immediate difference in my home. And again, it's for me. Me! Me! me! It's all about MEMEMEMEMEME Thanks all. :) I love to hear what you think. |
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- Posted by EATREALFOOD (My Page) on Sun, Aug 19, 12 at 9:46
| Hi Christine No indecision here: 1)saw inset bought inset 2)wanted a large professional style sink got it 3)love two-toned cabinets got them 4)cost comparison of UCL WAS confusing-wanted ew profile power core after reading posts from davidtay. freaked out over cost...looked at LED strips that electrician bought over.hated the strips. I posted to see if electrical costs were inline or too high. OLDBAT2BE responded and gave me a another supplier.THANKS again Oldbat. Asked electrician to keep costs at verbal price not the revised one he emailed. reduced the price by $200 since I paid cash. :) 5)saw soapstone bought soapstone *I got everything I needed to make the kitchen functional for me, My sweetheart was skeptical about a few things (size of sink & cost) but loves everything now-well the miele DW isn't hooked up yet so we'll see. So I was able to make decisions as to materials very easily but it was the suppliers who created stress Oh & the cabinet dealer threatened to sue me after he received full payment and after he refused to release the balance of my order. Bollocks. That's a little more high on the stress level than picking hardware or worrying about if the tea towel should be visible on the wall. lol. I got through it all w/o even posting a layout. :) |
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| Sounds like we're birds of a feather. No layout here, either. Although I look at different areas of the kitchen/mudroom/dining room and consider adding a powder room, etc. But so far, I like what I've done. It usually is when one throws humanity into the mix that things become, well, complicated. Yes. Simple. If I were worried about a towel, I would know deep in my soul, that I were in the deepest throes of some kind of avoidance and denial. For God's sake. If you wonder, put it away. Burn it. Use it for dusting. ANYTHING!, but wasting life worrying about how it's viewed. |
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| You know, I don't think for me it is as noble as stoicism or as hapless as idiocy. I just LIKE to play. Cards, chess, building cabinets, cooking a meal. Now cleaning house routinely, dusting, cleaning toilets--stuff that just takes things back to boring clean and tidy status quo and doesn't make a change--I can whine and play poor pitiful Pearl about that!! Maybe I just like an excuse to have a messy house. Sandra |
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- Posted by EATREALFOOD (My Page) on Sun, Aug 19, 12 at 23:44
| CEfreeman You do realize that I have never pondered towel placement, right ? and I do expect water drops to be visible in my SS sink...speaking of towel placement I was thinking one of those "swing arm" holders... However I must admit I did have an inordinate amount of fun arranging my Ball mason jars in different color combos...red lentils next to quinoa next to adzuki beans next to black beans next to millet next to mung beans...I love color and it shows on my open cupboard(well I do eat this "stuff" it's not for decoration like those big jars of peppers people buy at macys for display). |
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- Posted by lazygardens (My Page) on Mon, Aug 20, 12 at 14:38
"Way often the initial standard seems to be set unrealistically, a person too personally invested in a typically undefined perfection. So many are disappointed and let down afterward when the fine kitchen they've achieved is compared to that vague, still-undefined perfection." I learned decision-making early as a process of defining the important requirements and limiting factors, then selecting what would satisfy them. If you can't define it well enough to put it on paper for someone else to understand, you haven't really figured out what you want. You are still in the daydreaming stage. Also, I'm not into perfectionism, I'm into satisficing. |
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| YES TO THIS: "I can do anything I darn well like, at my own slow pace, with my own imagination, my own cash money, learning from my own ignorance, and not worrying someone might disapprove, be mad or worse, just not care again. Talk about Paradise! (with plumbing, I might add)." AND THIS: Love hearing it voiced! You rock, sista! |
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| Get back to us after you write a check for $20K, 50K or 100K, all at once, with all decisions required upfront, and have strangers in your house for 2-5 months or more. |
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| Hell, I had a stranger in my house for probably about 10. My GC, My nay-sayer, my nightmare and the fella I loved. Decisions? Upfront? No need when nothing gets done. And you guys worry about nothing happening for a week. [snort] Why would I bother doing that, Marcolo? Even my granite company let me pay them "layaway", as did my zillion dollar gutter company. You never know until you ask. Negates the need for a big check. You've all made me laugh, though. I doubt many here (EATREALFOOD!) have worried about those towels, but I have read about things like that on the decorating boards! This week I'm doing nuttin'. Well, working on some paperwork, but not a lot. Wouldn't you know it's gorgeous out and I could be out hacking down trees and ornamental grasses? In the meanwhile, |
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| Is it not like this on ALL forums? It seems that the concentration of a singular subject makes for this strange dynamic, where it seems SO obsessive. Maybe it is the volume of contributors? You know, talking about the blue towel vs. the orange towel with your friend in your home is different from asking the universe on GW..... I am not one to type out every q that pops into my head, and it is not because I am so decisive, but I don't want that many answers, plus I am a stubborn German girl, and want to do it MY way!! So,I did, and I thank everyone for the help!! Good question, Christine! Nancy |
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