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Need layout ideas. Please help.

Posted by AR_Kiki (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 3, 13 at 15:31

all. Long time lurker here. I so appreciate this forum. It is such an inspiration. We recently moved into a house and had to replace the kitchen floor and sub-floor. (Ice maker leak) Right now the kitchen is gutted and we were going to replace the cabinets, but are now leaning towards enlarging the kitchen by taking in the laundry room. We also don't need the full bath right there by the kitchen but would like to keep a 1/2 bath there because of the game room. We also are wanting to get rid of the water heater and put in the tankless unit. The contractor has looked at the walls and all of them are removable other than the wall that houses the back of the fireplace. I'm racking my brain trying to find a good layout for the 1/2 bath, washer and dryer, pantry and cabinets. I did have some laundry sorting baskets in the laundry room and would love to keep them. I was, i believe, two 2' x 15" deep footprint about 4' tall. If anyone has any ideas and is willing to share then, I will be forever grateful. Thanks so much!


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RE: Need layout ideas. Please help.

This drawing is not to scale. The bathroom is only 5 feet wide at the tub, but the measurements are accurate.


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RE: Need layout ideas. Please help.

Hi, AR Kiki. Is this your only dining area? If not, how much do you use this one and how many of you are there?

What's on the other side of the top wall? There are no windows in that wall, but it's not an exterior wall, is it. That would make your natural light only from the right?

Are you on a basement or crawl space, or slab?


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How about reduce tub to compact shower stall and place entry to the bath from game room and place laundry in that area......mark out an alcove in corner of game room in other words for closeted laundry and a more compact bath. With windows on right side of kitchen looks like the area to design a better kitchen.Secondly-how integral is this eating zone-are there other eating spots in the home? In other words....what do you envision..what do you like/dislike currently....it is a big interruption in your kitchen space to have entry to bath and laundry in the middle of things.....but those "things" are good things..need to relocate/or change the approach, I think. Funny you don't describe a strong feeling about it..do you think leave as is but put a corridor kitchen where pathways are delineated and getting to bath or laundry is out of the working kitchen area kitchen somehow? maybe open up wall to game area and spread kitchen that way....just would like to hear your perceptions of the space currently.It's you and your day to day life/satisfaction with all this that matters.


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RE: Need layout ideas. Please help.

I think a lot of the questions being asked could be answered if we have a layout of the entire first floor (or whatever floor the kitchen is on). It doesn't have to be a measured layout, just a sketch of how all the rooms fit together and the flow among/through them.

In addition, if you could tell us a bit more about you and your family and your goals for your kitchen, it would also help. Please check out the "Read Me" thread for more information (see link below). Scroll down to the "Layout Help" topic.

Good luck!

Here is a link that might be useful: New To Kitchens? Posting Pics? Read Me!


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RE: Need layout ideas. Please help.

  • Posted by buehl 7a, AHS 5/6 (MD) (My Page) on
    Sun, Aug 4, 13 at 5:19

Do you have a separate DR? Or, is this the only table seating in your house?


This is what I came up with based on your narrative + documented dimensions (without the 2' pantry next to the fireplace). It's not exactly the same shape... You did say your drawing was not to-scale. This one is.

Note: The dotted lines/red text are dimensions I'm guessing at based on the other dimensions...are they correct?

How wide is the "WH" room? I had nothing to go on to figure it out.

 photo AR_Kiki-Dimensions.jpg

Click on the picture to see it bigger.


About the PR size. Ours is 4'6" x 4'6" and it fits a sink and toilet just fine. Would you be willing to go down to a similar size - say, 4'6" x 5' (to keep part of the existing wall)? Here's a pic of our "before" PR. It has a 24" door.

Before, PR - the entire room! photo BeforePR-theentireroom0011301x401.jpg

Here's what it looked like after we installed the new cab, toilet, & mirror but before paint - unfortunately, it's not a full pic like the "before" pic or I would have just posted this one!

Full View from doorway photo 2008-07-28_003afullviewfromdoor.jpg

Yes, the counter was messed up - one of the many screw ups our granite installer made both here and in the kitchen.


[Edited to correct typo.]

This post was edited by buehl on Sun, Aug 4, 13 at 5:26


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Something to get discussion going...

 photo AR_Kiki1.jpg


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Nice lay out buehl.


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Thank you all for your ideas. I quickly realized that I needed a better representation of what I already have - so I quickly came up with this. I hope this is better. The WH closet is 2' across.

Dining Area- This is the only dining area in the house and we use it often On the new drawing posted here, you can see that the old kitchen had a 36" top on the peninsula and we also seat people there at times. We are empty nesters now, so not every day, but we also entertain quite often, and use both the table and peninsula for service areas, too.

Game Room - I tried to show on the left of the drawing the cabinets and sink in the game area. I would love to access the 1/2 bath through the game room, I just think it's not really feasible for us since it involves removing the wet area in that room as well.

Laundry Room - I used to love the laundry room. I had 24 x 15 deep x 48 tall laundry cabinets that held 6 sorting baskets in 3 different sizes. On top of that was an identical set of cabinets that we used as a food pantry. Next to them was a one foot open shelf unit that held laundry soaps, etc. for easy use. An additional wall cabinet next to the window held cleaning supplies, bug spray, etc. Also in front of the washer I had a 18" double stack drawer unit that we used to store tools, etc. It was crowded in there, but it was extremely functional, served a lot of purposes, and always looked neat and clean. When I bought the new front loading washer and dryer in April of this year, it all went to pot. The doors collide. These are thinner so things fall between them. They stick out further from the wall. They're deeper and I'm short. I can't really reach the back to get things out. I'd like to raise them a couple of feet off the floor. I did not buy the pedestals.

buehl - I think your 1/2 bath looks exactly like something we could do and that pantry is fantastic. I had not thought about not using all the walls in the kitchen for cabinets. We have ssoooo much stuff that we'd really like to keep. We do not need the bathing facilities in the kitchen area, but want to keep the 1/2 bath there. It keeps guests in the game room in the front part of the house, which I really like.

I have thought of:

putting the 1/2 bath where the WH and toilet are now and making the current bathroom area a laundry room.

making the WH/toilet area a pantry and putting the washer/dryer in the 1/2 bath where the tub is now. The washer/dryer will stack so I could stack them and keep the sorting baskets beside them or maybe even use part of them underneath to raise the washer and dryer?

Making the entire area one larger space with maybe the toilet in the corner and the rest just designed as a laundry?
We could install a sink for hand washing?? It seems odd, but the guests are friends, they are people who know us, not acquaintances or business colleagues.

just leaving the walls as they are and stacking the washer and dryer and adding additional storage in the laundry room. Also, everything in our house is folded military style, so the folding surface is important. I used the peninsula for this before I bought the front loaders. This option also eliminates the larger kitchen, which I really just want. I just moved from a kitchen almost twice this size ( the island was 4 x 9.5) that I really miss and I also just think it would update the house nicely and make it a much nicer place to live.

I'd rather have the island a flat surface, but don't mind the sink being there. I would not want the stove in the island. The refrigerator is too deep for the wall it is on now and sticks out. If it were moved to the opposite wall, it could be recessed. The windows are different sizes. How to deal with this? We could enlarge the smaller one to match the larger. I would like to have a framed shallow pantry. We buy in bulk and store quite a bit. The refrigerator is new, too. I could buy a counter depth one, I guess, but this one is only six weeks old.

Again, thank you guys so much for your contributions. DH is trying to be interested but he's almost useless. His favorite line is "Whatever you'd like, honey." which I'm thankful for, but I so enjoy more feedback!


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The rectangle on top the peninsula represents the overhang on the old countertop. The surface was 36" wide on top of 18" depth base cabinets.

The house in not on a slab.


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How handy are you? Are you doing any of this DIY?

Is the basement below the Game Room and Kitchen finished? If so, what type of ceiling do you have in that area? Permanent/drywall? Removable panels? Other?

If the basement is not finished below the Game Room and/or Kitchen or the ceiling consists of removable panels, then moving plumbing around really isn't that difficult and is usually relatively inexpensive.

  • Game Room
  • "...I would love to access the 1/2 bath through the game room, I just think it's not really feasible for us since it involves removing the wet area in that room as well. ..."

    • Would you want doors in both places or just to the Game Room?

    • Do you need water in the Game Room? If you can, are you willing to move the sink and modify the cabinet run in the Game Room?

  • Walls of cabinets, Pantry, Storage, etc.

  • "...I had not thought about not using all the walls in the kitchen for cabinets. We have ssoooo much stuff that we'd really like to keep...."

    Looking at your current Kitchen layout - it is very cramped. I would definitely recommend opening it up. That's what the layout I posted does - opens your kitchen up and will make it look and feel much bigger. If you look closely...

    • The "top" corner in your current layout is now much more accessible (no corner) and has far less wasted space.

    • With that 2' pantry gone and the wall, you've gained over 24" of cabinet storage here (24" base + 21" upper).

    • The island adds another 42" of 24" deep base cabinet space + 42" of either 12" or 15" deep cabinets.

    • The pantry is much, much bigger than your old pantry and the contents are far more accessible.

    • I think you will find that you have more storage space w/this layout than your existing!

  • Storage
  • "...I would like to have a framed shallow pantry..."

    • The pantry I included is a framed shallow pantry.

    • The pantry I showed will hold a lot! It's floor-to-ceiling shelved. If you need some deeper shelves, make the shelves on the ends 15" to 18" - whatever you need. The sliding doors I show are two 36" doors. If you need the deeper shelves, they could be 30" or 32" wide doors.

    • There are also the 12" deep shelves on the back of the island. The island could be up to 3" deeper, leaving you with a 33" aisle behind the island. There are no cabinets, etc. on that side nor is there seating, so 33" would be fine. Most doorways are 32" wide, including the door. Just use 15" deep cabinets instead of 12" deep. That would give you an island that's 42" deep.

  • Laundry Room
    • Perhaps all you need to do is re-arrange it and put in different cabinets etc. If you need a little bit more room, you could steal it from the 102" wide pantry. Maybe a couple of feet...

    • A layout would need to be worked on to see if it would work.

    • You could always use base cabs for storage and then add an inexpensive laminate counter for a folding surface.

    "...I'd like to raise them a couple of feet off the floor. I did not buy the pedestals..."

    • Pedestals - don't waste your money on them! My DH simply built a very sturdy platform of our washer & dryer for far, far less than it would have cost us to buy a pair of pedestals. No, there are no drawers, but I don't really need them and, besides, they'd be too low. We're not DIY folks for the most part, so if we could do it, just about anyone can!

    "...Making the entire area one larger space with maybe the toilet in the corner and the rest just designed as a laundry? ..."
    "...stacking the washer and dryer ..."

    • I don't recommend combining rooms...first, do you really want your dirty laundry on display when you have guests - even if they're in bins and even if they're close friends? (What about if you have a bigger party w/more distant friends or even work colleagues?) Second, I wouldn't like to have the toilet in the same room in general....maybe that's just me. Personally, I would not want my PR and Laundry Room designed in such a way that I had to go through one to get to the other...

    • As to stacking the washer & dryer - if you're short, won't that make it more difficult to get to the top one? I doubt you would be able to add a pedestal to raise the lower one b/s it would raise the upper one too high.

  • Refrigerator

  • "...refrigerator is too deep for the wall it is on now..."

    • Keep in mind that with the exception of true built-in refrigerators, the doors must stick out past all walls, cabinets, counters, etc. adjacent to the refrigerator.

    • If you "build-in" the refrigerator it will look much better. (Surround refrigerator by finished end panels the depth of the refrigerator carcass/box and add a full-depth cabinet above.)

    • You could also add shallow shelves to the Fireplace wall that will make the refrigerator look more built-in.

    • As a last resort, could you recess the refrigerator into the LR wall?

      • If the FP wall is 25.5" deep and your refrigerator carcass is 27" deep or so, you could just open up the wall behind the refrigerator and use two inches or so of that space b/w the walls.

      • If your refrigerator is deeper...If there are built-in bookshelves next to the FP you could commandeer some of that space for the refrigerator. You won't need that much space, probably only a couple of inches, at most, so it won't be obvious what you did.

      • In fact, you could do that the entire length of the wall and have deeper cabinets or, at least, deeper counters.... (Just a thought that popped into my head!)


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