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Barocca soapstone looks like Ray Liotta after 2 hours. What else?

Posted by marcolo (My Page) on
Wed, Jul 11, 12 at 23:45

Got a sample of Brazilian Black and Barocca from the local MT distributor. Both looked very nice out of the box. Two bangs with a measuring cup and one with the Black, the Barocca already looks like Ray Liotta's cheeks:

Only part of that white stuff is a vein. The rest is scratching. When these stones get dinged, the ding stays white. I cook like a Tasmanian devil with tongs, so that's not going to happen.

The Black is very nice and much harder. It has a bit of a bluish cast that may or may not work with my already Crayola-themed kitchen; I can't tell yet. Biggest issue is that it's as hard to get as Alberene and one BEELion dollars per square inch.

I can try some more soapstones. But I suppose I should look at some charcoal or black granites, too. Problem is, I have no idea what to look for. Honed is fingerprinty. Leathered hides dirt, catches on things and rips nipple holes in your cashmere sweaters during important dinner parties. Flamed is even rougher, I guess, plus it may carry residual rage over its mistreatment. What else is there? Skin-peeled? Botoxed?

So you know what I'm looking for:
- A pretty quiet stone that's dark gray to black
- Some veining or mottling is fine, though I don't particularly need the big classic swooping white soapstone veins
- A bit of an organic feel. Mostly because I'm going '20s, and I don't want modern or shiny. A few dings and "distressing" are perfectly OK, just not, you know, that Ray Liotta thing
- No green, nope, none, not one sneaky vein
- NO SPARKLES. If I get granite, I want something that does not look like it

Any ideas?


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Are the darker granites you mentioned the Virginia Mist aka Jet Mist granite? They are bulletproof, and subtly gorgeous. Some owners say they show fingerprints, others say they don't. Some slabs have more of the "sugar powder" mist and other slabs are darker; like many granites, the slabs vary. Boxerpups was kind enough to provide photos on the link below. Also, Pudgybaby has some gorgeous counters on the second thread.

Thread Called Honed or Antiqued Virginia Mist

Thread Called Help Needed from Virginia Mist Owners


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Marcolo, are your finished counters going to have square edges like that? Perhaps try putting a final profile on an edge and then bang on it. You might be surprised at how differently it holds up.


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Yep. Viriginia mist would probably fit the bill.


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Yep. I had that same experience during my soapstone tests, but it still seems yo be my favorite in other peoples kitchens!

I had also looked seriously at Cambrian Black leathered, Impala Black brushed, and honed Virgina Mist before ultimately deciding to go with laminate. Those granites were really pretty though, especially the Cambrian.


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Ray Liotta indeed. LOL

We have Impala Black and love, love, love it. However, I would love it even more if I had thought to have it honed or leathered or somehow deglossed.

Jodi-


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How about something like this....


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Aieeeeeeee! Get that thing away from me!

It's the morning after, and almost everything that touches the Barocca puts a huge pit in it amid a small volcano of dusty powder. All the pits stay very white; I tried the black Sharpie trick, but now it looks like a damaged countertop with marker stains.

The Brazilian Black still looks pretty good. Scratches are small--but they're also stubborn. I don't think you can sand or oil them out.

So I'm still open to soapstone recommendations but not the Barocca.

As far as Virginia Mist, I think it's a very good alternative if someone needs that veiny, swoopy soapstone look. However, while I'll keep my eye on it, I think it's too attention-getting for my kitchen and some of it just looks too much like granite. If any countertop tries to be the "star" in my kitchen, I'm dragging it into the basement with my belt while it screams, "I'm sorry paw! I won't do it agin!"

So, any currently-available soapstones I should be sure to check? Pretty hard, pretty dark, not that crazy, no green? Mild dings and scratches are OK if they oil out to black.

For granites, does the Impala look really...granite-y? I don't want anything that looks modern. How about the Nordic black antique? Anything else?


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Maine or Vermont slate?

Zinc, pre-patinated and coated with protectant?

Lab surface? (Srsly. Have you seen the ones someone here DIY'd, I'm spacing on the name, Mama someone? Looks just like a matte soapstone):

Here is a link that might be useful: Epoxy Resin Lab countertops


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Found it! Mama Goose:

Here is a link that might be useful: gorgeous & indestructible & subtle & matte & not too modern


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I have flamed Absolute Black granite. It may be suppressing some latent rage, but it is not at all rough -- in fact, I love to run my hands over it. Five years in, no scratches, chips, or cracks, and it doesn't gather grime unless I'm really lazy about cleaning.


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"Posted by deeageaux (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 12, 12 at 4:36

How about something like this...."

The guy or the countertop? (LOL)


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Hi: we had the same issues/wants/needs as you do. Originally we got Santa Rita Venata...beautiful with green sea-glass like inclusions...but soft as butter. Thankfully it had some defects from the quarry and we replaced it with something harder. We got Belvedere from MTex in Hackensack. Very happy with it. We leave it naked, but oiled its a nice peaceful black with some darker areas.


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Belvedere looks more durable but it's sometimes described as green in color, which would be a no-go. I'm going to email for a sample anyway.

I know the Old Dominion and Church Hill varieties are hard and beautiful but samples are impossible to come by.

Forgot about slate. However, I vaguely remember that the black may be a bit less durable than the green? Can't find that thread.


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Marcolo,

Slate is beautiful. But, here in NJ it was significantly more expensive than soapstone. My samples scratched badly made a horrible finger-nails-on-a-chalkboard soap when anything was pushed across it.

Our P.A. soapstone samples were quite durable; but they weren't nearly as scratch free as our honed granite samples.

Finding a durable not green, not showy, not-granity, dark gray to black counter for a 1920s vibe kitchen has driven so many of us to distraction.
I guess that is why so many people choose honed Absolute Black granite. It has almost no granite pattern -- no speckles and spots. It does a great job playing second or third fiddle to other elements in a kitchen.

We picked honed black pearl because it was slightly lighter than Absolute Black (more dark gray and less black). But what makes it lighter is the flecks and spots of the "pearl". So it unfortunately has more of that speckled granite look than Absolute Black. Functionally, it is perfect.


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What about Paperstone? Although, it seems like I've heard it might be $$$ and hard to get.

Here is a link that might be useful: Paperstone


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Marcolo, if by granite-y you mean sparkly or lots of depth, no there are no sparkles or the look of depth in Impala Black.

Jodi-


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If you had a billion dollars to throw at countertops then you would have to get enameled lava stone. Unfortunately they are super expensive and probably hard to come by but just look at how beautiful they are! I saw them in a magazine and immediately thought of you, one of the kitchens even looks a bit like some of your past ideas- bottom row, 4th kitchen.

Here is a link that might be useful: enameled lava stone


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Our Beleza soapstone is looking bulletproof so far. It is possible to put a dent in it by hitting it with a hammer (we did that to the sample). There are some small scratches but they are the same color as the stone and they don't show.

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Here is a link that might be useful: Finished Kitchen


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Thanks, gang.

circus, thanks for reminding me of slate. francoise, do you remember what kind of slate you tested? Was it from NY/VT?

Chibimini, it's certainly worth a look at AB.

fivefootzero, is your Belevedere greenish at all?

athomeinva--I've seriously thought of lavastone for my island because it will be tiny, so the overall cost would not be enormous. It evokes tile countertops or even porcelain enamel over steel. However, AFAIK you can't have a contrasting color border in lavastone, so I couldn't get the right effect.

tami, there was a material like that reported to be a maintenance nightmare. I have to go search for old threads to see if it was Paperstone or something else.
Thanks, prospect, I'm putting Beleza on my list.

I'll try to post better pictures of my stones if I can coordinate a time when (a the sun is out and b) I can get away from my desk for two minutes.

My list grows.

Anybody with Nordic black? Would that fit the bill? Or are there any dark slate owners in the house?


jodi, thanks--now, I'll try the Impala, too.


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Marcolo and AthomeinVA,

Pyrolave was one of the many, many counters I considered. I knew it would be expensive, but until I got a quote I didn't realize how expensive.
My honed black pearl granite counters cost less than $3,000 installed.

Here was my Pyrolave quote (given to me so quickly and graciously by the Pyrolave agent, Jean).
It would have been fun to work with them if I'd had the money:

Bonjour Francoise,

You will find below your quote for 1 1/4" thick material, eased edge.
Material : $ 6 452.00
Crating : $ 250.00
Est air freight from France to NJ : $ 1 650.00
Total : $ 8 352.00
6 weeks.

Jean


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Our Belvedere has no greenish hue to it at all...here's a better daytime shot...true to life...naked (unoiled).

another thing I want to add is that I have had a can of soup fall from the corner cabinet on to the counter. The soup can had a dent, but the counter had not a scratch, ding, or dent to be found anywhere. LOVE this stone.


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francoise, do you remember how many square feet (or meters) your counters are? I only need about 8 square feet for an island.

Looks great, fivefootzero. I've requested a sample.


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Gotta laugh at the Ray Liotta reference...last saw him on the NHL Awards...oh man, he's looking horrible. I remember first seeing him on Days of Our Lives...gotta be early 1980's. Then various movies and ultimately on the Awards. He did NOT age well...


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I still have a collection of soapstone samples, the edges of which are all sharp. (As rmtdoug points out, this is a little unrealistic.) I just banged their edges and tops with a wine bottle, and I also did a "Mohs test for edge banging." The latter test was banging the sharp edge of the samples against each other.

Three held up pretty well to the wine-bottle-banging, viz., Cobra, Belvedere, and Cobra II. In each case, the wine bottle was able to inflict a small ding on the sharp edge, and a very small ding on the top. Here, the edge ding was smaller than the radius of a profiled edge, and the small ding on top was the size of a pinhead.

The "Mohs scale for edge-banging" ranked the samples in order of hardness. To my mild surprise, the results were pretty much a one-way affair: one sample was damaged and the other was unscathed. The hardest was Cobra, followed by Belvedere, followed by Cobra II.

By the way, don't be put off by Barroca -- it isn't even in the same league as the others.

Here is a picture in full sunlight of the hardest three. There is not a hint of green in my Belvedere or Cobra II samples. The Cobra reads charcoal/back, but has a slight cast of very deep green. (The junk in the foreground is sawdust from my workbench, not soapstone detritus!)
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I got those from M. Teixeira, but they no longer have Cobra on their website. Perhaps worth taking a look for it. I'd be comfortable with Belvedere and Cobra II, too.


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Hi Marcolo,

My Pyrolave estimate was for 14 linear feet, 28 square feet of counters.

Here is a photo of my honed black pearl granite. The speckles in it make it unmistakably granite (sorry, this is a silly shot in which I was trying to show that it works just fine to put four big pots on a 30" range at the same time; for some reason the photo makes it look like the range juts out beyond the counter and cabinets far more than it actually does):

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We have a large island of Original PA soapstone from Green Mountain Soapstone and 7 months later it looks the same as when it was installed. I don't notice any scratches and certainly no dings. We used the wax they sell as well and have only applied it twice. It is pretty durable for sure and not a hint of green. Green was a no go for me as well.


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Slate from Vermont, England

Hi Marcolo, I just saw your question above our our slate sample. Yes, it was from Vermont. We got the samples form Garden State Soapstone. The slate is so beautiful! It comes in shades of gray, green, red, black and even purple.

Burlington Stone (quarried in England) is another beautiful (and expensive) slate option: http://www.burlingtonstone.co.uk/interiors/kitchens/Kitchens_Gallery.html

You might consider honed Ocean Black granite. It is very lovely. Here is a sample from Stone Sources in New York City (website below):

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Stone Source in NYC also carried Burlington Stone.

http://www.stonesource.com/natural-stone-2/www.stonesource.com?stone=ocean-black

Here is a link that might be useful: Slate in NJ from VT


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I have antique Nordic black granite. It looks a lot like soapstone but it doesn't need special care. It is really lovely...industructable, no fingerprints, does not hide dirt or catch clothing.


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here's a picture of the Antique Nordic Black...


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Thanks, Angie, those pics are really helpful. Banging wine bottles qualifies as a real-use test.

OK, so El Dorado and Alberene both make it very easy to order samples online. With M. Tex, you may have to go through a local distributor which means phone calls and emails. My local distributor is very nice, and they also do great cabinets that I'm going to look at; however, shopping for samples is very time consuming and I want to order what I want, when I want. That said, they're popping Belvedere in the mail right away.

Looking back on some old slate threads, it appears that black is unfortunately the most delicate variety of the NY/NE kinds. Bummer.


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Another vote for original pa soapstone. Its very hard - I may have a few small scratches here and there, but it would be tough to find them. I dont baby it and I have three kids. No green in it, either.


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Rats on the slate. Marcolo. I'm gonna take a hard look at it before I get too committed color-wise. Wise to reject any of the Brazilian type, it's too shaley for counters apparently.

What are your other countertops, if the soapstone will just be the island? (I'm sorry I haven't been keeping up with your plan details, major moving/selling house stresses over here right now plus I just got Lyme disease, ugh.) Cabinets still painted something light?

I have to withdraw the recommendation for my kick-ass carpenter, btw, because I'm snagging him for myself in September, bwa ha ha.


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Why don't you get a sample of Absolute Black granite...and try it? You could bang Absolut vodka bottles against it :)


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Cr*p! Circus! Sorry. Don't miss any of your meds--and stay on the yogurt and probiotics til you're done.

The perimeters are the charcoal-to-black. The island is TBD. I want to make the island look a little more table like, but it might be too small to do that. In my dreams it would have a porcelain enamel top with a pattern or at least a border, but I don't think that's realistic. So, soapstone (or dark granite), wood, who knows.

Yes, LL I'm trying to make a list of all the granites to see, then I'll try get samples. We have some good stone places in MA.

The good thing is, I'm not anywhere near the point I have to make absolute final decisions yet. The bad thing is, I have to get all these samples know to see whether the entire concept will work. I think 2LittleFishies and I are in a race to see who can accumulate more yellow paint samples.


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With M. Tex, you may have to go through a local distributor which means phone calls and emails.

Huh? I simply ordered the samples from M. Teix's website here:

link to order samples from M. Teixeira: http://www.soapstones.com/soapstone_samples.html

They also (later) sent me (free) a sample of the one I was considering, viz., Python. This did require a phone call to their Hackensack office.


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I have a local distributor, so I have to go through them.


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Hi Marcolo, have you been to your local granite yards to see what they have in dark granite to be honed? I don't envy you at all on the countertop pick decisions...so frustrating! I remember going through the full gamut of slate, soapstone, manmade, and stainless only to come right around to granite (which I did not originally want). Ultimately I always had problems when it came down to maintenance on others in the running (I wanted zero maintenance). After much headache on looking it turned out that no maintenance was one of the most important things to me. So, then I spent weeks on looking for certain dark granites to hone only to discover they could not be had in my area and I would have to practically take out a second mortgage in order to ship them to me. The other problem was how some granite yards make up their own names for things, maybe they had it who knows. In the end I gave up on the honed dark granite idea mostly due to husband hating it. I'm happy with the choice's we ended up with though. For you, I would visit your local granite yards and see what's available for a dark honed granite. You never know you could get lucky and see the perfect thing...something you never though of. Or, you might see something on your list with a different name. Something that when you called they said they didn't have.


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Here is a link to a thread which describes my "experiments" with three kinds of soapstone. The Barocca chipped immediately when I lightly touched in with the other soapstone! The Belevedere was much harder but didn't stay black for more than 24 hours. I guess I did mind my countertops getting a patina, but I didn't want THAT much patina.

That being said I did watch a fascinating video of someone repairing a chip in soapstone with soapstone dust and crazy glue.

In my previous kitchen remodel I used honed black pearl and just loved it. It never stained, it never got greasy fingerprints on it. For me it was truly perfect. But it's not pure black so that might be a deal killer for you.

Here is a link that might be useful: soapstone thread


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Marcolo- I know you're getting the granite samples...but what about the vodka? Or do you prefer to use only wine bottles?

Also...when do we get to see your new 'damn cute' plan...with the adorable mudroom?


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we have absolute black honed in our basement bar and upstairs bar. Love it! It is not shiny and I don't notice fingerprints. I do wipe it down a bunch with method granite cleaner but that is just me . . . not sure if it needs it but I am a compulsive cleaner.

We just moved in a week ago but I will take a picture and post -


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When I read that you are open to a slight blue tone, I thought of bluestone. It is a less common countertop material, but I think it would look great in a 20s kitchen. Although I have noted how beautiful it is, I am interested in a light countertop, so I haven't looked closely at a sample. Possibly something for you to consider.

This link is the first relevant Google entry; I don't know anything about the company...

Here is a link that might be useful: Bluestone counters


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It may be a little much for you, but I had a hell of a time finding something to pair with the honed calacatta gold tile I used in my bathroom. I was torn between limestone (terrible in the bathroom), marble (couldn't find a slab that looked right with my tile and didn't want to look like I unsuccessfully tried to match the tile), honed and also leathered absolute black (showed finger prints and too boring), soapstone (fairly pricey from Bucks County Soapstone and too busy). Finally, I found what I was looking for all along but couldn't seem to find in 2 cm: leathered antique brown. There are some pictures below if it might help you decide. It's neutral enough that it would go with anything, it is fairly timeless, and it has an amazing texture (like velvet). And because it's granite, it's strong and no worries about staining. People have used it in kitchens on these forums, too, so if you're interested, take a look around. It's not cheap, however. (The only issue for some is the natural fissures that come with the stone, but I like them, and they don't affect the stone's strength. You can see them in the fourth, sixth, and final photos below.)

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Kevin that is gorgeous stone and I want it in my master bath. Its leathered Antique Brown? Just want to make sure I have it right.


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That's right. I believe that it's most common name is Antique Brown (also known as Marron Cohiba), and it can be found in both polished and leathered finishes. The leathered is a premium finish and, therefore, comes at a higher price. I was able to find a large remnant and lucked out, paying about $100 per square foot installed.


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Kevin, thanks for the info. The stone is not only beautiful but it would be a little safer being that I have a little hair color thingy that I have to do now (not that I plan on dye landing on it or staying on it on purpose).


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Very cool. Looks like leaves on a forest floor at night. Might be too much character for my space but I'll put it on my list.


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Keep in mind that those are pictures with a flash. It's not nearly that multicolored in normal viewing. It's basically a charcoalish dark brown. I feel like the first picture is the most accurate in what it looks like overall.


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I wonder if Ray Liotta knows that his face is now the new standard for countertop durability testing.

Just found this. You might be able to design an island around a vintage tabletop. This specific one is probably the wrong era, but you get the idea.


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I had antique brown in my last kitchen. Lovely, but I think it might be too brown for you.


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I have AB granite honed in my kids bathroom- its got all the qualities you are looking for and it doesn't show much- no finger prints- just water spots but that is from my messy kids, not the water itself.


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Our Belvedere soapstone has some green in it, including a few prominent green areas (see below). If you went with Belvedere, you'd want to pick the slabs yourself to make sure you didn't get any green. On ours, oiling it enhances the green tones where they exist. Unoiled they come across a bit more neutral gray, but still greenish -- below is a more on the unoiled side appearance-wise (oiling was 6 months ago and never stayed dark nor did we keep up the practice).


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We just had a honed dark gray/black granite put in our vacation house. They called it Mystic Gray and it comes from Brazil. It's kind of mottled but in a very subtle, soft way, and the areas of color change are big but with really soft edges. It doesn't look like granite, it doesn't look like soapstone, it doesn't look like marble, it just looks like itself.

I don't have any pictures yet because the counters are still covered, but I'll try to get a few photos in the next week or so. I also wanted something subtle that's not the star of the show. I never thought I'd pick such a dark granite, but I'm really happy with our choice.


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Well, I just read this entire thread because I have a time management problem - I didn't think I could possibly help - although I guess it is slightly pertinent to me since I am also looking at dark counters. But since black pearl is slightly more than a third the price of soapstone, my decision is kind of made. Only need to decide if I want to go against the store's advice and warranty and get it honed so it can look like francoise47's lovely counters.
But, I think you missed lisacan's post, maybe, showing her beautiful antique nordic black counters.
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I love the Belvedere and don't mind green in it but the one I saw at M. TEx's showroom was so shiny and shiny smooth that it almost looked like granite. Does oiling do this to it or waxing? The salesperson there told me Belvedere has a naturally smoother honing - anyone else know about this? The more I hear about Santa Rita Venata - as beautiful as it is - the more I worry about it being too soft. We saw some with large seaglass-colored veining - will those be too soft down the road??


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Basically, the harder the stone, the more smooth it may be polished.


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Marcolo- I was looking for something else for Marti...but when I found this, I thought it might work in your kitchen. It looks pretty in the picture and sounds more durable than soapstone. Just an idea :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Link to old GW thead


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If you find a black you like for the perimeter...would this work on the island? It's brushed black pearl granite...

From Cottage house plans

Maybe with the enamel table in your banquette/eating area?


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I'll pursue these great suggestions when I visit the stoneyards.

Thought I'd update on the Barocca test because someone else on the forum seems to prefer to admire their sample rather than abuse it.

This is with a simple table fork, not unrealistically hard scratching.

This is after "oiling out" the scratch.


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I realize that corian wasn't around in the 20's,but have you considered it? You could even have an inlay done to mimic those table tops in your other thread. I also believe it comes in a matte black.


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I was thinking corian but I didn't want to be the first to say it....

But do they have a not shiny corian?


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Or uh, what about concrete? Could someone make that dark enough and not shiny enough?


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These are concrete, apparently.

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Unfortunately concrete etches and can have maintenance issues as serious as soapstone's, or worse. I'm still waiting on some harder soapstone samples, and am planning to look at dark granites as well.

I think Corian looks too plasticky to work as a porcelain enamel substitute, unfortunately, though it does allow for some pattern. Rain Cloud is very nice but not for me, I don't think.


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marcolo, after seeing your photos I performed a similar test last night on my barocca and an anastasia samples. I took a fork and scraped the tines across the surface of both. Huge difference. If I have time tonight I will take a good picture showing the difference. (I do photography better than I do kitchens)


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I have honed AB black in the laundry room and I wouldn't want it in the kitchen. If I use hand lotion then touch it I have grease spots. One chicken....

Pyrolave is a bulletproof candidate, price willing.

And if only to reject I'd look at at Caesarstone which impresses me every time I see it used and they have some that's matte and not sparkly.

The other thread is closed but though this might be useful in some way (or perhaps not).

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There is also the option, if you want porcelain enamel, to get porcelain enamel. Have a metal shop bend you the countertops out of sheet steel and an enamel shop bake it for you. A good friend of ours is a high-end carpenter and had some custom enameled panels made for one of his recent projects. It would be subject to all the regular issues of an enameled sink, but any prospective chips would certainly play well in a period kitchen.

Here's the shop, it's in Boston so really your neck of the woods, I think. If nothing else, you can't top their name.

Here is a link that might be useful: Unerectors


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Okay, I looked back at the black corian and it appears to be glossy instead of matte. Sorry. What about Kerlite tile? It comes 39"x118". Could you use that as your island top? I don't know about the edges but the island could be made with a wood edge treatment and drop the tile in, maybe..


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What about walker zanger Mariana soapstone. It is a quiet black. It will scratch but everything has disappeared with oil. Good luck!


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nap101, looking forward to your test.

rococogirl thanks for the tip--it fits with what I've heard about AB. I did check Caesarstone and originally intended to use it, but while it looks great on its own, in the context of everything else it looks wrong.

What I'm finding is the granite yards are even worse than the soapstone people for getting samples.

circus, thanks for that link. I wouldn't guess that company would take small jobs. Wait, that's not what I meant.

Anyway, I have three places I could use custom enameling if need be--the tabletop, the fridge and maybe the island.

However, I'm trying to picture how the countertops would actually be assembled. They couldn't be over a plywood substrate like yours or they'd burn during enameling. Also there's the challenge of the prep sink. I wouldn't want an integral sink made out of that material, so I'd have to figure out how to treat the cutout.


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I've got Brazilian slate. Installed a year ago and still perfect. I got the silver colour which is actually a charcoal gray but they also had ebony which is pretty much black. "sealed"it when forst installed with Mazola corn oil as recommended by the company. Thats it. Doesn't stain. Took knives to samples and they scratched, but they were easily sanded out with regular sandpaper. I used Acme Slate out of Toronto. They can probably send you samples like they did for me.


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Marcolo- What made you decide on the dark color for your countertop? No argument...just curious.

I've noticed my mom's countertop (faux granite/formica) is nice (and it hides the formica line) but it's dark. I feel like all the light is sucked out of the space and it's quite noticable, when compared with a lighter countertop.

Also, would a quartz be a possibility? What about tile? Just wondering about your other choices, but you're not telling us much...and still no plan! I hate waiting :)


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circus, Unerectors just told me they do not do any small residential projects. My hopes were so high.

LL, it's part of an overall look I'm going for. The cabs will be relatively colorful, and I need grounding. Plus if I get the Aga Legacy, it already has a black top.


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Here is my scratch test for soapstones labeled as such:
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The right side clearly shows the fork tines. The left side has a few small white bits that you can see in the lower right. I tried to keep the pressure even but the barocca is way softer so not overly scientific. Neither has been oiled after the fact and neither has been treated at least 2 weeks prior to the test. The anastasia had a much smoother top finish in the sample than the barocco.


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Yeah, I'm kind of wondering how some of these materials even get sold for kitchen countertops. I can only imagine how my sample or yours would look after five years in a kitchen. Perhaps hardness varies by slab.

I just got a big pile of beautiful SS samples from El Dorado, but my joy turned to sadness when I oiled them. Many turned very green, which I can't have. There was one called Indigo that seems quite hard and was beautiful unoiled. Oiled, it turned green, but only in direct sunlight! Out of direct light, it turned rather uninterestingly dark. If not for the green issue, which I'll recheck tomorrow, I'll consider it. Minas is also very attractive, but I ready it is also soft and ding-prone, though not as bad as Barocca. I may abuse and test these samples and post pix for posterity.

If I had to give an example of what I'm looking for, I'd like something that behaves like very hard wood. Yes, you can scratch and ding it, but not easily and not all the time with every move.


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I'm confused. Which 'top' are you looking for, the countertops proper, the island top or the tabletop for the nook? Or am I not understanding what is going on anymore?

Didn't you want enameled or something like it for the nook table?

If you are going for a 20s thing (right?), have you considered marmoleum for the nook top? I know that can have designs inlaid. Not sure how the edge treatment would be other than the metal edging....wood maybe? They used (real) linoleum quite a lot back then, correct?

I once found a skinny little cabinet with a metal edging around the wrecked linoleum top, so we took off the linoleum, cut a piece of thin plywood to fit and I starched a beautiful little embroidered table runner and glued it to the plywood, then plexiglass and then reinstalled the metal edging. It was really cute and that plexiglass top held up perfectly for the 10 years that it was next to my fridge. There is always a way, is my point. I have no doubt that your kitchen will be a showplace, Marcolo..


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What Deedles said: howzabout linoleum? It might not be completely inauthentic, can be had in black, and really cushions the crystal. Need to be creative on the edges and with the sink area of course, but it makes a really nice counter surface.


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The soapstone bit is for the perimeter countertops and maybe the island.

(This is all theoretical--I get bids next month. Anyway.)

The porcelain enamel is for the tabletop, first, if I can have it. And second, and less likely, for the island top. Has a sink in it, so it might not work. But in this era, there would've been a worktable and it would've been porcelain enamel.

I can't make myself do the lino thing for countertops. For the floors, I'm considering it, if I can get the color right. But I just can't feel it for the countertop.

I just started abusing my Dorado samples. The Minas is almost as pathetic as the Barocca. The Anasazi holds up well, but mine's a Verde, and that won't work. I still like the Indigo, which is pretty robust, but I've never read any comments about it here on GW.


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MArcolo,

Here is my Belvedere sample. The green or no green depends on the quarry. We have this from the San francisco M.tex.

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Another option is this I really liked called black stellaris. It was very quiet in a leathered finish which was quite matte.


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There is a substance that is fairly vintage authentic (OK more 40's than 20's, but still vintage), comes in several variations of black, and won't scratch like your soapstone samples. It's also relatively inexpensive, so if you tired of it, you could replace it. Of course, I'm talking about laminate. Wait---don't dismiss it out of hand! Really, it's only downside is the undermount sink thing, and if you use a large topmount sink with a drainboard, that's not really an issue either. Really think about it, because it has most of what you want in a counter.


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Well, that's a shame re. the eponymous Unerectors. Sorry to lead you astray.

Hmm, in terms of porcelain shops willing to take on small jobs, there are the old standbys of Independence Enamel (to continue the risible name theme, "a subsidiary of Gaylord Industries") or Custom Ceramic Coatings. Both of whom are far away from you in the Midwest, and I know a few years back one of them was taking a long hiatus. Like most good things in my world, they're dependent on the fragile health of a rapidly aging craftsman.

My copper is actually mounted on moisture-resistant mdf, not plywood, but I see your point. I suppose I was thinking that sheet steel, being much thicker than stainless, would have inherent tensile strength that makes an underlayment unnecessary.

Possibly cheaper and more durable than porcelain, and certainly a lot more accessible, would be powder-coating. You'd retain the look you want. There are lots of metal shops who would bend you a perfectly measured countertop out of base steel -- then you'd haul it over to Mickey's Auto Body and let them have their way with it. I was thoroughly impressed with the dude that bent the copper bar for my edging and how exact the work was - he nailed the radii perfectly. With powdercoating, you wouldn't have to worry about liquefying the underlayment. I know folks who had their St.Charles metal cabinetry powdercoated and it's held up very nicely, no chips so far. Looks just like porcelain.

For the sink cutouts, do you want drop-in or undermount or what? Either way, steel can be seamlessly welded to create a 1.5" or 2" lip that functions just like the edge of a solid surface, and the whole schmear would be coated.

This is copper, but same idea, just with a lip around the cutout:


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Hi Marcolo,
Have you gone to Boston Granite Exchange? We went there, without having a fabricator - just to browse, and found it very helpful. They had so many slabs of black/darker granites and soapstone. They're all labeled and maybe taking a couple of hours to see all of the slabs in person will help you narrow down which ones have green undertones, etc., Then you can get samples of the ones you definitely liked in person. I also found it helpful to see the stones on a larger scale, as opposed to the smaller samples. Just a thought and good luck!

Here is a link that might be useful: Boston Granite Exchange


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I looked at Indigo, but the whole slab had more movement than I was after. It's a stone from India, and muttering among at least one fabricator was that it was tough to work with (flaking in cutting, if I remember right).

Anyway, I know that Central NE Soapstone has done at least one installation recently. If you have a fabricator in mind, I'd check with them.

I wound up going with a slab with no name that Cent. NE had on hand in around their yard -- medium hardness (3.8) with some, but not an overwhelming amount of veining. It seemed fine on the fingernail and key tests (not so much with the softer samples I had picked up.) So far so good. It's been in for about 3 weeks.


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GreenDesigns, I don't think there's anything that laminate needs to be ashamed of. But it really doesn't fit the era. I'd have no problem using it in a newer house.

circus, I spoke to Custom Ceramic Coatings this morning. The guy is unbelievably nice. We're going to email pictures back and forth. Prices are not too bad. I'm more worried about the shipping back and forth, and also the difficulty of coordinating a GC, designer, enameler and sheet metal shop.

chris, thank you so much for reminding me of BGE. We're heading up to the North Shore on Saturday and that's close enough for a swing by. Perfect timing.

chesters house, interesting about the flaking. It seems to have a sort of leathered finish and does not need oiling on the finished side.


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I keep finding info on the Internet that says Formica was used a lot in the 1920s. Apparently, Formica was developed around 1913, but many improvements were made throughout the 1920s. Don't know if you want to use it, but I think it would be authentic.

Also, have you looked at Buck County soapstone? I keep reading about it, but don't know how durable it is. Here's a picture...

From Farmhouse plans

And what about a wood island? Teak is supposed to be especially good for countertops with sinks...I mean they use it for boats, right? :)

From Farmhouse plans

Here is a link that might be useful: Formica in the 1920s


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I got a sample of walnut from Craft Art. Very easy to scratch and dent. Other manufacturers offer harder woods but make samples difficult to order.


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Back to the slate again. Have you considered the charcoal gray slate from the quarry in Buckingham VA? I don't know the actual name because around here it's just known as Buckingham slate & everyone knows what you're talking about. It's naturally a solid, dark gray (maybe a slight hint of a bluish cast but no green that I've ever seen) & black when oiled & I believe it's supposed to be very hard. I've had 3 hearths made of it for over 20 years & no shaling.

Here is a link that might be useful: Buckingham Slate


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marcolo- do you have any local sawmills? They should have some other options as far as harder woods. Locust, osage orange (hedge), persimmon, dogwood, ash, pecan, hickory, and many more are at least twice as hard as black walnut, and grow in many areas of the US. Some have a much busier grain than others, like hickory, and some have interesting colors, like osage.


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I visited the cabinet/stone place yesterday. The Belvedere looks pretty tough and not green at all. I just need to wait for samples. They also sell slate and wood countertops as well. It would be nice to get everything in one place if it's not a million bucks.

Here are some more scratch tests from the Dorado sample kit, both pre- and post-oiling. Sorry, I have to go back to the basement to check the labels, but I think these run:

On the left:
Minas
Anasazi (unfortunately for me this is Verde, too green)
Indigo

On the right:
I forget
I forget
Noir

Same order but turned sideways.

Bummer that the noir is cracked. However, I would not 100% rule it out just for that. Could be a fluke.

As you can see, most scratched pretty easily except for the Noire and the Indigo. Also, most of these are quite green so they're out for that reason, too.


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I like the bottom row middle one, how does that one handle the scratch test?


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It definitely scratches to white. Also the veins are green.


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Re: your butcher block samples--Hardwood Lumber Co recently sent me samples of everything I wanted within a few days and with no shipping charges. I heard about them from Francoise i think. They have good reviews on Gardenweb.


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marcolo,

My DIY Piracema (no longer available and green so a non starter in that regard) came in from M Tex. horribly banged up (they made it right for me) but I had no choice but to go ahead and fabricate it anyway. Here, you can see the chips - and the oiled/non-oiled view.

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That said, it really failed all the soapstone trials, but made for a fabulous countertop. I never regretted for a minute having it after the initial shock of seeing the edge of the slab crumbled like dusty, dried play doh.

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I had a few chips by the sink, but that's what happens when you use Le Creuset and All Clad and have a kid on clean up duty. I also cook with somewhat wild abandon and will toss things towards the sink, etc.

All I'm saying is that while accidents happen, sometimes these tests can knock out a stone that will perform just fine if you let it.


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marcolo,
I had been looking through my notes for this, and finally found it. Check out madeamano.com. They seem to be an Italian alternative to pyrolave counters and from what I've read, less expensive. They also make tiles out of the stuff. Absolutely breathtaking designs.


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Wow, that madeamano stuff is beautiful. I don't see any US distribution on the site.


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I met someone yesterday who has pyrolave countertops, she said they're a lovely matte grey, but the problem is that they are very very porous and she has to seal them quite often. She didn't know the exact brand. So, fyi, for what that's worth.

In other random tidbits, there's a gorgeous 1900's Frigidaire on the Maine Craigslist today: http://maine.craigslist.org/atq/3141664432.html


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Did we already rule out coated patina'd zinc? Or vintage lab counters?


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Yeah, what about the lab counters? Who had those on here... they looked great, I thought.


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I just used an online site that lets you get quick prices for metal countertops. For my island with an integrated sink, zinc comes in around 6-7K and pewter over 10K.


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Yeah, what about the lab counters? Who had those on here... they looked great, I thought.

That would be mamagoose. They are beauts, indeed:
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Here is a link that might be useful: more pics on the DIY Soapstone thread.


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Hi Marcolo,

I may have missed this on this and other threads, but for your island top have you considered laminate with a metal band (more 1930s and 40s than 1920s?) or a tile? When we moved into our 1928 house the previously unrenovated kitchen both tile and laminate with metal band counters. I know all the arguments against tile counters in terms of hygiene and function-- but they could add a lot of style.

Not very good examples:

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MamaGoose has beautiful countertops and if you could find something similar...that would probably be just about perfect, for your space.

If not, I know you don't like 'Formica' but I thought these were soapstone, when I first looked at this 'scullery' link. It's been posted on the forum, before...but I thought you might like a second look. The Marmoleum floors look great with these countertops, too. This may not be your style, but it might give you some ideas :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Link to Scullery and kitchen


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Marcolo,

I just got a promotional email from Dorado Soapstone. The substance of it made me think of your quest. The email says:


Noire Soapstone

Black, Hard, Small White Veins

Are your customers asking for soapstone without any green in it?

For slab or bundle pricing (508) 842-5701 - email: John@DoradoSoapstone.com

[blah blah blah]

The email purported to show pix of these slabs, but they were evidently not attached. I have no connection with Dorado Soapstone (or anyone else). Just thought you may be interested.

Here is a link that might be useful: Dorado


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I got the same email from the Dorado in Austin. Mine did have pictures and all the slabs were very dark with small veining.


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Marcolo --> Did you ever decide on your countertop?


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Howdy.

My favorite is from Bucks County, but I need to contact them to figure out how to get their product in Boston.

I liked a couple of the Dorados, including the Noir, but the Noir arrived cracked.

I've given up on Texeira because their MA distributor is non responsive.


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I've given up on Teixeira because their MA distributor is non responsive.

That's really a shame for you. Umm, I guess I am glad I live in an area that doesn't have a distributor! How is that for a statement to make a businessperson's toes curl?


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Mysteriously, I got an email from them almost immediately after posting my comment....


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Wow.


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That bathroom vanity Of Kevinmp is reminiscent of porcelain enamel and has many of the attributes you are looking for. It is not boring, but doesn't scream. I did not read every single post here so I don't know your initial thoughts about that stone.

Kevin has an old, old house-very nicely and thoughtfully done. Take another look, Marcolo. Sometimes a second or third look grabs you.


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Still no problems. It seems bulletproof.


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Most of the suggestions on this thread made it onto my list to see in person during stoneyard visits. The favorite so far is from Bucks County but I haven't settled on it yet.

Now I'm sort of hopping from project to project. Today we played with Marmoleum samples (why do the yellows all have to be so damn bright?), Saturday is a trip to look at sinks. And since the entire home industry is closed on Sunday, we get only one day a week to look for everything.


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Marmoleum's non-bright yellows are listed as neutrals: Butter, Citrine, van Gogh; Carribean, Moonstone and Barbados also might go.


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Bucks County's stone is really nice. I wasn't that crazy about their video selections though (they didn't have much in-person when I was there).


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Back to the drawing board.

I had settled on Alberene Church Hill (I misspoke above when I said Bucks). Gave them a call to get pricing on my countertop layout, and it turns out they've stopped quarrying it. There's a slim chance they might start again over the next few months, but I can't depend on it.

Texeira is out because I will not do business with their local distributor. (Too bad because their cabinetry is very nice and the price wasn't completely insane. But if my experience is like this when you're trying to sell me, what will it be like during the reno?) So I guess that means no Belvedere, not that I was ever going to get a sample of that before the Second Coming.

I have an email in to Dorado but unfortunately a lot of their stones in the sample kit don't work for what I am looking for.

What stoneyards around here have the best soapstone selection? Garrity?


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Quick update--already a reply from Dorado suggesting a dark Beleza or a quiet Noir. We'll see. I notice a lot of Dorado's samples are fiber-backed.

Emailed Bucks County a few days ago but no reply.


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Marcolo- Forgive me if I'm offbase here, but we visited Alberene week before last (we live in WA state and were visiting relatives who live near Charlottesville) and you're right about them having very little Church Hill. But-they are quarrying Old Dominion, which is gray with a range of different veining possibilites (dramatic to sparse). As an aside, it was also incredibly cool to get a tour of the site and the factory. I thought you might be interested in another choice of Alberene. I wish we had known about them when we chose our soapstone.


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Thanks, leela4. Old Dominion does give a good look, but it's too soft for me (although not as delicate as Barocca).


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We used Bucks County for our soapstone and they were WONDERFUL to deal with FWIW. Good luck! LOVE my soapstone!!


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I love my Old Dominion so much but you are right, it is not as tough as some soapstone but it has held up well for our family. I keep an eye on Alberene's Facebook page and have seen the Church Hill come and go, maybe it is worth using temporary counters until it is available again?


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Bucks County has a good reputation, but the pics I've seen show a very veiny stone, which is not what I need. Plus, as I say, how 'bout returning an email?

No temporary counters here, athomeinva--this reno has to be one and done!


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Marcolo, this isn't necessarily for you, but for someone who might be considering linoleum type counters in the future. When we were first married, we lived in an old farmhouse that had red lino floors, and red lino counters, perfect U shape postwar remodel, sigh. (It looked like they used the cutout of the floor to do the counters!) I don't know if the problems came with the age of the lino, or what, but every time I tried to lift something warm up off the counter, it would stick fast. So, things like a bowl of soup or a bowl of oatmeal would stick. When I'd finally pry the bowl up, a small chunk of linoleum would be stuck to the bottom of the bowl. Yuck! We were very happy when we could replace those counters with some laminate.

I hope you find that durable finish you are after. Have to wonder if hard wood countertops might be a good option. I think they'd still give you somegrounding with the colors you are considering. This kitchen is especially bright, is it grounded enough? Photobucket


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