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what we learned too late about kitchen lighting

eastbaymom
13 years ago

When we began making design choices for our kitchen remodel, we were focused on cabinets, counters, flooring... and we did not pay enough attention to lighting. It's one area of the remodel where I wish we had sought out some professional advice.

This post tells our story, and is *NOT* a substitute for getting professional advice for your own remodel. It's more a cautionary tale... though we are happy with where we ended up.

I hope others who have lessons to share about kitchen lighting will add them in as comments on this thread!

Early in the process, we had a vague conversation about energy-efficient lighting with the kitchen designer. Because we had recently replaced our standard, mid-1980s fluorescent overhead fixture with recessed light cans using halogen bulbs, we thought we might be able to get by with not doing anything. She talked us out of that.

We were waffling a bit on what to do with the ceiling, because we had just paid for removing the fluorescent fixture work a year ago... but in the end, we decided to take out the soffit over the kitchen, get the "popcorn" texture on the ceiling removed (in the kitchen, family room, dining room, and entry). This would give us the opportunity to reuse, in new locations, the recessed light cans.

Our ceiling, before: {{gwi:1790792}}

Just after demolition, when the walls were still open to the studs, our contractor verified with us that we wanted undercabinet lighting. We didn't actually look at different types of fixtures at that point, and I did not realize that if we wanted to do low-voltage lights, or LED lights, under the cabinets.... we needed to specify that desire before the drywall went back up. (This ambiguity would probably have been caught if we had gone through inspection as we were supposed to, but sadly, I didn't realize that either.)

It didn't help that in separate conversations with our kitchen designer at around the same time, she assured us that we would be getting "hockey puck" undercabinet lights. She did this to reassure my husband, who hates fluorescent lights, that we would not be getting those. (He has strong negative associations with the flicker and the hum, from his days of working in cubicles as a programmer.)

At that stage, we also discussed how we would relocate the 4-inch recessed can lights overhead. We didn't do this with any formal "lighting plan" as we did for the layout of cabinets... instead, the contractor just walked me through his plan, pointing to different spots in the ceiling with his tape measure, and after making a few adjustments, I gave my approval. We used eight cams because we had eight available.

Fast forward, through drywall installation, floor installation, cabinet installation, sink and countertop installation, tile installation.... till the day comes for the electrician sub to come back and connect the undercabinet lighting fixtures and turn all the circuits back on. He installed seven fluorescent light bars, all in about an hour and a half that morning. When I saw them, at lunchtime, I thought "UH, OH."

To make matters worse, our kitchen designer had forgotten to order light rail.

We tried out the fluorescents that night, and they were (a) blinding, (b) turning our gorgeous grey/green limestone backsplash into puke grey, and (c) creating interference every time we turned on a radio in the kitchen.

Did I mention that my husband's the primary cook in our family, and he *always* listens to the radio while cooking? In fact, he had already bought a new undercabinet radio, removed it from the box, thrown the box away, and lost the receipt?

Suddenly, we were doing a crunch weekend research project on undercabinet lighting, to figure out what we wanted the electrician to do at this point.

We found Kichler design pro LED direct wire 120 volt fixtures, 12" long, with two 6.4 watt bulbs in the bar, for a cool $129 each, online. Seven fixtures would be an extra thousand bucks. Sadly, this was not an option in our budget at the time.

The benefits of LED lights are low wattage, low heat generation, and extremely long-lasting bulbs. Manufacturers claim that they are rapidly improving in light quality (i.e., they can make them so they don't look like those blue/white Christmas tree lights we've all seen at the discount store.) Aside from the cost, the only disadvantage from our perspective is that they would not be dimmable.

Halogen was out because we hadn't specified it at the beginning, and it requires low-voltage wiring and a transformer (that must be hidden somewhere, typically in a cabinet). LED was out because of cost. Fluorescent was out because of poor light quality, and electrical interference.

The option we ended up going with: Xenon. Bar lights from Utilitech, 3 lights in 17.5 inches, direct wire, about $35 each at our favorite big box store. They have high/low/off switches, though they are not dimmable. They also have a tilt feature, so the light can be focused directly down onto the counter, or out toward the edge. They do not cause electrical interference with the radio.

They are now our primary task lighting. The drawbacks are that they get hot while in use (like halogen puck lights) and they are not energy efficient.

Our new ceiling, and the sink wall with all lights blazing:

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The last piece of the puzzle for me was finding a way to make some part of the kitchen lighting scheme energy efficient. Back to our favorite big box we went, where we purchased several different kinds of bulbs meant to go into the recessed cans. We found compact fluorescent bulbs that are dimmable. They take a moment to come on after we flip the switch, and they take a few minutes to come up to full brightness.

If you look at the two photos above, you can see that the CFLs do affect how the cabinets look at night. In the first photo, in natural light, the cherry is more red, and in the second photo, with CFLs overhead, the cherry is more yellow.

The good thing is that they do not generate extra heat, and they are energy efficient.

And the long term plan: as those CFLs burn out, we will replace them with Feit Electric PAR30 dimmable LED screw-in bulbs, available for $63 each at environmentallights.com -- maybe the price will even come down by the time our first CFL needs replacing!

I hope others who have lessons to share about kitchen lighting will add them in as comments below.

Here is a link that might be useful: All our other kitchen details are on this thread

Comments (10)

  • dlr98004
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks for the post! Lighting is one area that I also missed the boat. We changed our plans midway through the remodel (after lighting had already been installed). Our new cabinet layout was slightly different than the old one and as a result, the soffit lights are not quite centered where they should be. Also, I thought we were getting art-glass pendants so I moved our electrical boxes closer together so they wouldn't be so far apart over the island. In the end, I chose two small chandeliers instead - and now they are a little "too close" together. Can be fixed with "swags" but grrrrr - I had it right before I changed my mind! doh! If I had to do it over, I would have nailed down the kitchen cabinets before deciding where all my recessed lights and pendants went.

    Maybe next time!

  • sabjimata
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    thanks for posting your cautionary tale....definitely a good warning for folks out there in the planning stages/

    doing a remodel is such a BIG job and i know that feeling of just wanting to relax on a few details, cross fingers, and just live like everythign is going to be okay. the few things i did that on i have small regrets about.

    right now i have been buying returning buying light bulbs. love cfl's but the electrician put in yellow ones and it is making me hate more and more that ididnt get brite white cabs but rather creamy. can't wait for my husband to switch them out

    but that is minor compared to what you had to figure out :)

  • artemis78
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks---super helpful for us too (though I have to say that I'm increasingly leaning towards skipping under cabinet lights altogether...we only have one 4' run where we could use them, and I almost wonder if it's worth the trouble since it's a secondary workspace anyway!)

    Out of curiosity, was having the CFL bulbs enough to pass the inspection on the Title 24 front, or did you have to swap the fluorescents out after the fact for that? (Wondering how strict inspectors are being these days...)

  • arisyap
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    hey eastbaymom! I saw your newly renovated kitchen from the pictures you posted on the other thread, and it is great. It became more elegant without the tiles. Don't worry about the lighting mistakes, good thing is you have learned you lesson :)

    Here is a link that might be useful: home lighting

  • janwad
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    A local lighting store has a lighting-lab and gives free 2 hour seminars showing the effects of different lights on various settings.

    It was the best 2 hours I could have spent on this topic. My only regret is that it has heightened my lighting standards to a level just beyond my budget.

  • runninginplace
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    This couldn't have come up at a better time for me--demo starts in a couple of weeks and the electrician was just at my house Monday to discuss lighting.

    I'm definitely lost on how and what to do as far as lighting in my kitchen. ANYTHING will be better than what's in there now: a fan/light combination in the middle of the long galley that is literally never turned on and an old-school flourescent tube light over the sink. But I don't know anything about different types, undercabinet, recessed etc. And I've got some ergonomic constraints-the ceiling height is 8 ft and my husband is 6'5". So, I am limited in what kind of lights I can use in terms of length from the ceiling anyway.

    This kind of discussion is extremely useful. I think/hope I've got a good contractor and electrician and they have been helpful in talking about options. But there is no substitute for hearing from those who already graduated from the school of experience!

  • les_bailey
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Great post - I'll save this one, thanks. We're building new, and kitchen lighting will be a big part of it for me. I also hate fluorescents of all types, to the point that one (of two) requirements for our house was "no fluorescents anywhere except the garage". Cube farms yes, but my distaste grew during college as part of my degree studied lighting & it's effects on reflected surfaces & how to work with that. Plus that noxious hum & flicker is ridiculous.
    But your under-cab types will be a great, helpful place to begin, thanks!

  • diy_mike
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I actually spent a lot of time thinking about lighting on my remodel.. and I think I actually overdid it.

    I have a killer under cabinet lighting system from Kitchler..Low Voltage xenon for $650 which looks great.
    then I threw in above cabinet lighting and over 17x 65 watt recessed lights and 2 40 watt pendants. Noone can ever say my kitchen isnt well lit:) Of course it is a big space.. 16x32.

    I can always buy dimmers for the switches and
    maybe get rid of a couple recessed cans and patch the ceiling if needed. I am exploring LED replacement bulbs
    since I am sure 17x 65 watts is going to bump up my elec
    bill at least $50 a month.

    Mike

  • karen_belle
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    There are now LED replacement bulbs for 6" recessed cans, so you can move away from the CFLs and into LEDs for only about $80 a can. This is something we plan to do as money permits.