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heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been seen

Posted by endomd (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 20, 12 at 9:50

We are trying to pick out the material for our kitchen counters and are hearing so many mixed things about whether or not pots and pans can go right from the oven/stove to the counter. Many people say you shouldn't because any natural stone could crack -- but many people say that do it all the time and nothing bad has ever happened. I've seen the posts here discussing this issue and I don't think I've read one describing an actual incident, just caution vs no caution.
Has anybody out there ever had a bad experience (or heard of one) in which a hot pan actually caused a crack?
howabout with marbles? other materials (quartzite, soapstone)?
I understand the theory for being careful, but just wonder if it is actually happening in real world situations.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

Yes, I have had 2 clients (that I know of) who had their granite crack from setting hot pots on it. Mind you, this is in 30 years of dealing with stone counters. I have not had any clients with marble have thermal shock, but marble is a VERY rare choice here as most people prefer their counters to be bulletproof rather than embrace patina. Thermal shock IS a real possibility.

When quartz first came out, there were also several issues with quartz "ghosting" or scorching where a hot pot was set on it. Too many people took "heat resistant" to mean "heat proof". "Ghosting" is where the resin in the man made stone is slightly damaged by the heat, but not enough to scorch. It's a barely perceptible change in the appearance.

The bottom line is that pot holders, cutting boards and trivets (and fire extinguishers) should be a part of your ingrained everyday safety routine use in a kitchen and there honestly is zero need for anyone to either cut on a counter or to set hot things on it. While you certainly want a durable surface, that's a totally bogus requirement for a counter material.

However, in an emergency situation, if you had to dump off a super hot skillet off of the stove, probably only soapstone or copper, or stainless would have the chance to remain undamaged. And I say probably copper or stainless because if the item is hot enough, both can scorch and metal has a wood substrate that can certainly be damaged with enough prolonged exposure to heat.

I had an emergency situation in my first apartment kitchen where I forgot about a skillet of oil I was heating, but got to it before a fire resulted. I dumped it into my stainless sink. It scorched the stainless and melted the PVC pipe (and totally burnt the paint on the exterior of the cheap skillet!) I had to replace both, as the metal was permanently discolored despite me running cold water almost immediately after I dumped the skillet. Don't ever do that either! The correct safety procedure is to just move it to another burner and cover it with an oversize lid until it cools down. The resulting steam flash was almost as dangerous as the smoking hot pot itself.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

One of the reasons we like our soapstone is that we can set hot pans directly on it and it cools them down quickly.
We use substantial placemats on our soapstone "breakfast bar" so our food stays hot longer.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

I generally use a cooling rack for stuff straight out of the oven.

The principle I keep in mind (for when I'm too lazy to get the cooling rack out) is thermal mass. That is, how much heat energy does the item contain?

A heavy cast iron dutch oven full of stew bubbling at 375F for a total weight of 20 pounds carries some serious thermal mass and would pose a big risk in my mind. The risk is that something with that much thermal mass has the potential to significantly raise the temperature of the granite underneath to a significant depth and by a significant amount, inducing heat stress with the cooler adjacent granite.

A toaster-oven tray with a slice of leftover pizza seems like a non-issue. Cookie trays with cinnabons, meh, I drop those right on the granite. But a 10 pound roasting pan of braised pork belly that's just been browned under the broiler at 450F, that always get a cooling rack.

Just imho, exercise your own best judgment.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

wow, GreenDesigns, thank you for all of the practical advice! From your statistics, I can understand why many people say that they have never had any problems putting hot pans down ... but why some still exercise caution! I know we are not going to use stainless steel and will definitely use a natural stone. If granite like marble could potentially crack then for me that's another push towards marble!


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

Oh marble can crack from thermals shock as well. (ANY stone can, theoretically.) I've never had that happen with marble to any clients in my experience mainly because statistically the sample is so low. Marble has only become popular in the last 5 years or so, and the handful of marble counters I've been involved with doesn't make a dent per cent wise in the thousands of granite ones. Most of my clients simply don't want to deal with the certainty of etching or possibility of staining should they forget to keep their marble sealed. Now that I work at a box store instead of as an independent, granite is 95% of counter sales. It seems that every other customer is "upgrading" their home for sale, despite having 40 year old grody cabinets underneath. But, that's another story...


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

we had a fabricator tell us that calacatta and carrera marble are harder than other marbles and should be heat resistant to hot pots and pans.


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apparently some marbles or more porous than others. Maybe this applies to risk of fracture as well.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

i cracked granite with this baby. Well, actually did, my mother did. That's the last time she cooked in my kitchen :)

Just don't do it. Not worth it. Get a trivet. And "heat resistant" means nothing.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

marcydc -- is that an electric hot plate/wok?
building on what chiefneil wrote, maybe there was continuous high cooking heat as the culprit, which is perhaps is riskier than than the shorter burst of heat from a hot pan.

so far now, several stories of granite cracking but not yet any stories of marble cracking! I know they must be out there ...


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I learned to cook in kitchens with formica counters where we never put anything hot directly on the counter (or cut on them either). Actually, most of my life I was surrounded by formica, until I had a tile counter, and most recently quartz. All the early training not to put hot things directly on the counters got into my wiring. I do not want to put hot things on the counter. I have trivets, hot pads, empty burners for that. Notwithstanding an emergency, I don't know why one would want to tempt fate.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

Marcydc: thought I was the only one with a lefse griddle!! Unfortunately, I never use it for lefse, just as a griddle. Last time I tried lefse, I dropped it and it broke. Ha!

I have two large cutting boards that I pull when taking things off the stove or from the oven. Or I pulled them all the way out onto the counter to set electric appliances. I've had silestone or granite for amost 15 years in 2 homes, and never had any issues of any kind.


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I cracked a marble pasty board once when I set a hot from the oven pie on it. I was aiming for the range top, but the potholder had become a bit more threadbare than I realized and the pastry board was sitting right there still with flour on it from rolling out the crust. Thought it was fine till I heard a sound like a shot and it was in 3 pieces.


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RE: heat cracking marble counters -- what is said vs what's been

It is a lefse griddle joyce_6333! and yeah, like you, just for pancakes mostly. My mom was making (attempting?) lefse in a marathon session which probably had something to do with the crack. The lefse skill was left behind 2 generations ago i think. now my mom mail orders it from someplace in MN.

I won't even put the slow cooker (crock pot) on stone. He sits on the cooktop when he is in use.

Here's the griddle on Amazon with actual lefse on it
lefse griddle. For those who aren't familiar with this, think norwegian potato based tortilla.

Holly's cracking the pastry board pretty much answers the quetion too.


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