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Bellmont kitchen

Posted by lilymila (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 24, 12 at 1:19

Hello, I am in the process of renovating my kitchen. I live in a 12 year old townhouse that we purchased last year. The current kitchen cabinets are ugly builder basic variety. My plan is to install white shaker style cabinets, Caesarstone countertop in wild rice, and keep the existing beige tile floor.

The first place I visited is a small locally owned kitchen remodeling business. They work with Durasupreme and Bellmont, and since I am on a budget, they recommended the Bellmont 1600 frameless cabinets. My kitchen is L shaped, about 13 X 7.5. The design include 18 pieces of cabinets (include one shallow pantry, one blind corner pullout, and one lazy susan). If I get the white paint cabinet, it will be around $9300 and if I use the white thermofoil, then it will be around $8500.

I wonder if this price seem reasonable and if anyone here has used this line of cabinets before.


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seems high,but is this an installed price?


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That's not installed price. The installation will be another 2200. Do you mean it seems high for Bellmont or high for painted cabinets in general?


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I got a price on those cabinets (white shaker wood) with the plywood upgrade. My price was 8400 and my kitchen is a galley smaller than yours with nothing fancy. So the price seems about right to me.

The kitchen design place that was so eager to push those cabinets (not even sure I wanted a price) didn't have any on display for me to look at. So I said to call me when you have some in your showroom. Not sure about the hardware from looking at the website/brochure--looks kind of plastic. And the cabinet boxes are only 5/8 inch with an 1/8 inch backing--he seemed to think that wasn't a problem but I don't know enough to make the call. I know the 1900 line of that brand had 3/4 inch. Maybe someone with knowlegde can pipe in. Or maybe do a search cause I'm sure it's been discussed at length somewhere.

I do like the fact that they say they are environmentally conscious for what that's worth.


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I can't find much information on this brand. I think a couple of years ago, they used to be call Amero by Pacific Crest. I like that they are frameless and sleek, but I don't like the fact that for 9k, I am only getting mdf box and painted mdf doors.


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it seems high for an L of that size with no island....no peninsula back and probably only one exposed end. I'd probably look around some more.In fact-for an L as you describe-I'd consider RTA....then with the money saved do a new floor.


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I should add that I am not handy at all. This is our first house and first remodel. I don't even know how to go about and coordinate everything. The reason I went to this general contractor is that he specializes in kitchens and has his own installation crew and a couple of subcontractors working for him. I just wish they work with more brands of cabinets. Bellmont seems a little on the expensive side, but if it is high quality, then I feel better about paying the premium. Just to clarify, the upper and lower cabinets for the L shaped kitchen is $6800, the pantry against the wall (not attached to the countertop) is over 2000. I guess it would be more like a U shape kitchen.


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paying a little extra for piece of mind can be worth it.Personally, It would be more than what I would spend on a townhouse kitchen.However,if there is some bells/whistles that he's got in there that is giving you uber-satsifaction,don't worry about it. For instance,molding application,lighting package....short of that,I would ask him if you hunt down some hardwood would he install a new floor, or tear out the tile,so you can have someone put it in with very little trouble after he's done.You'll figure it all out.


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I don't think the Bellmont 1600 is considered high quality. But that might be subjective. The 1900 look a little better made. They do have a website, although not too much information.

Have you had a chance to see the cabinets in person? I would hope if your GC is so keen on them he could recommend someplace that you could look at them.


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Honestly, you're spending a fortune and you really don't have to. If you want assembled cabs look at Cliqstudios Rockford or Dayton painted white or linen. If you think you can use a screwdriver, check out Barker (made in USA). Hire a professional to install them, but you're paying about twice what you need to pay for cabinets, and getting an inferior product.

Barker:
http://www.barkercabinets.com/default.asp

Here is a link that might be useful: CliqStudios


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My opinion on cabinets is warped. I am so used to the apartment style kitchen cabinets that basically anything with soft close drawers and a lazy susan seem fancy to me. These Bellmont cabinets are more expensive than the Kraftmaid ones from HD. I just don't know how good they are and if they are higher quality than the Kraftmaid ones. I do like the fact that they are frameless. Are frameless usually more expensive than framed? I also live in So Cal, so everything is more expensive than the midwest.


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Frameless is at least a bit more costly than framed. In a townhouse,mid to slightly above mid grade framed cabinets would certainly be fine in my opinion. Frameless comes into play when inches matter-a very tight kitchen with marginal amt of storage space. How do you feel about the space avail for storage in your kitchen? Go through some mags- Consumer Reports kitchen issue/Fine Homebuilding or This Old House mags-they have kitchen issues.[avail at library] A kitchen project entails at least some reading
and understanding of all the aspects. If you can't do that,I'd postpone the project until you can get some of this prep before you make decisions.


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That's not really that bad of a price for that many cabinets. If you want to lower the price, combine some of the cabinets and use less cabinets but larger doors.


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Its easy to find reviews on Ikea, Kraftmaid, and other brands from big companies. When I google Bellmont or Pacific Crest, there are almost no information about them. I have only being in the house for one year, so I am not hurting for space, but I am excited about the pullout and lazy susan since I have 2 blind corners right now.

The biggest reason for a kitchen reno is that I hate the white tile countertop along with the yellow toned cabinets with huge face frame. In California, the white tile countertop is builder basic like laminate in the midwest. I hate it much more than laminate since everything gets in between the grout. We have very hard water here and the faucet is also on its last leg.


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I purchased Belmont cabinets last year and I have had a lot of trouble with them. I was told by three different kitchen design centers to buy the 1600 series. What a mistake. My contractor was astonished at how poorly the backs were. Yes, 1/8" thick. Not very sturdy. Also, the lazy suzan corner cabinets didn't come with any support pieces to install. My contractor had to make them. The white showed through the cracks in the corner doors (I have graphite--color) and it took three shipments to get the gray shelving in the correct size. Some of the cabinet doors needed to be replaced as the finish was so poor-skid marks from the processing. Now I have cracks in the finish--looks like someone tried to antique the corners and under the pulls. Not worth the money. Guess we'll see if they stand behind their product. At this point I would advise NOT to buy Belmont. I would have been happy to purchase the next level as my kitchen is small and it wouldn't have add much to the cost. Bad advice from the Belmont sales rep as all three design centers have the same sales rep. Must have been a big company promotion or something. So disappointed.


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I purchased Belmont cabinets last year and I have had a lot of trouble with them. I was told by three different kitchen design centers to buy the 1600 series. What a mistake. My contractor was astonished at how poorly the backs were. Yes, 1/8" thick. Not very sturdy. Also, the lazy suzan corner cabinets didn't come with any support pieces to install. My contractor had to make them. The white showed through the cracks in the corner doors (I have graphite--color) and it took three shipments to get the gray shelving in the correct size. Some of the cabinet doors needed to be replaced as the finish was so poor-skid marks from the processing. Now I have cracks in the finish--looks like someone tried to antique the corners and under the pulls. Not worth the money. Guess we'll see if they stand behind their product. At this point I would advise NOT to buy Belmont. I would have been happy to purchase the next level as my kitchen is small and it wouldn't have add much to the cost. Bad advice from the Belmont sales rep as all three design centers have the same sales rep. Must have been a big company promotion or something. So disappointed.


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Yes, 1/8" thick

According to their website, the back panel is 1/4".


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I have worked with Bellmont Cabinets for about 14 years now, 12 of them as a remodeling contractor and 2 now as a kitchen designer. I have also worked with Merit, Huntswood, Kraft-Maid, Schuller, Crystal, Henry Built and custom made. Production cabinets all share one thing in common, they are production made. That said they are like other mass produced items but even custom made does not mean problem free by any stretch of the imagination. Of the production cabinets I have worked with I have a decided preference for Bellmont as I feel that they represent the best value in their price range. Not the best cabinet but one of the best in their price range. The 1600 line is meant as a mid entry level product with 5/8 inch box construction made of environmentally recycled content in its commercial grade particle board construction. They have full tops not strapping boards. Backs are 1/4" MDF with 5/8" strapping. Drawer boxes are 1/2" birch ply, edge banded and finished, dovetail construction. All hardware is full extension, soft closing.They carry a "limited lifetime warranty" and where I have found Bellmont to be heads above their immediate competitors is in their warranty work. But admittedly I may be prejudiced on that point since their factory is in my backyard so to speak.

Their 1900 is a step up with 3/4" boxes, and is customizable in 1/4" increments with numerous bells and whistles.

Part of the buying experience, design and installation is dependent upon where you purchase any cabinet. You can go to a national home improvement box stores where the designers have limited experience, have time constraints placed upon them in terms of time spent with any customer and more often times than not no practical construction experience. This often can lead to poor choices made for a particular customer or situation and their installation services are often questionable.

My experience has also been that sometimes customer expectations exceed their budgets. Be realistic about what you can afford and it may not be enough to buy your dream kitchen. Also do not expect everything to be perfect as they never are even with very high end custom cabinets. Do not expect Padini when you are paying for say Bellmont or Merit. The Padini costs three to four times as much for the same kitchen.

Finally the appearance of the product in your kitchen is only good as the installer and installation. I have seen many kitchen cabinets poorly installed because the owner shopped price not quality. Ask to see some installations that the installer has done recently and speak with his customers.


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I think I know of the owner of the Bellmont cabinets - he isn't a friend or anything, so I think I'm unbiased here...they're made in the Auburn/Sumner area, SE of Seattle. So based on his reputation as a trustworthy, honorable guy, I was interested in his cabinets for our new house. But they didn't have the unique, country look we were looking for in our log house. So we went with a custom cabinet company out of Monroe, WA. Good deal, but from what I know, Bellmont would also be good if they have what you like. They have won some awards - one of best small companies in Washington, or something.

This post was edited by gladys1924 on Fri, Jul 25, 14 at 17:10


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We are also interested in Bellmont cabinets. We are thinking of getting the 1900, but am not sure because I cannot find reviews of these cabinets. gladys1924 may I ask what custom cabinet company you went with from Monroe? I live in Woodinville. When I searched for kitchen cabinets in Monroe, I was surprised to find so many.


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Mollysam - we went with Spencer Cabinets in Monroe. Excellent company; you should read about their manufacturing methods! We found their prices to be comparable to those at the big box stores, but better quality and *custom*, of course. If you contact them, tell them that you were referred by the couple with the new log house in Granite Falls. :-). They have a FB page, btw. Carl and Dottie Spencer are terrific people.


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Thank you so much gladys1924! We will certainly check them out.


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I had Bellmont 1900 series installed almost a year ago, and they are lovely. I spent over a year at GW planning and researching, so it was not a decision made lightly. I knew I wanted frameless cabinets because my kitchen is not big, which limited my options as frameless is not common here. I ended up working with a company that reps several frameless lines and most of their business is frameless, so between that and my research I knew what I was getting.

They were not cheap, however had I taken my final design back for a re-quote at the Kraftmaid dealer I think it would have been pretty close in price, but I got a better product.

I have a bunch of drawers in my kitchen, which really adds up in terms of extra space gained with frameless. I have 15 drawers each with an extra 1.5-2 inches in width vs framed cabinets. Plus my 12 in pantry pull out has more useable width. I don't think it would function as needed for us in a framed line, we have a ton of stuff in there!

If you read the frameless threads here (search via google for better results, add "site=ths.gardenweb" to your terms) you will learn a ton. High grade particle board is generally preferred for frameless for the dimentional stability.

My Bellmont cabinets are awesome. They are -very- heavy due to the furniture grade, very dense particleboard used. They also have full tops, which helps with keeping things square, but also supports the granite very evenly and allows the kitchen to function while waiting for the counter installation. All the specs are on the website, I don't recall them at the moment, but I spent many hours comparing them to the info I read here and was satisfied with the quality.

I'm a bit pressed for time lately (hence I haven't been posting much) but I have posted quite a bit about my kitchen here including floor plans, many pics, and a chronicle of the actual contruction. Come to think of it, this time last year we were in nearly done with the majority of the work (still working on finishing things up due to other remodel projects, half our great room is currently in the kitchen).

If you have questions after reading some of the older posts, feel free to contact me directly. Not sure I'll be able to check back on GW this coming week due to work and an out of town wedding.


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I became a Bellmont dealer recently and unfortunately have had problems with the quality of the cabinets. There have been delaminations, warped cabinet boxes, size discrepancies, hinge issues and missing parts. The company does not stand by its product either. I would recommend choosing another company.


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I have had no such problems with the Bellmont cabinets that were installed in a December 2013. One drawer slide failed and they replaced it with heavy duty glides, no questions asked, and very promptly.


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