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Farrow and Ball paint suggestions for walls

Posted by sis2two (My Page) on
Wed, Jun 20, 12 at 23:28

I have been looking and looking at Farrow and Ball paint samples. I have never used the paint before but would like to in my kitchen when I make some changes. I really need some suggestions for a wall color that will be cheerful and will go with the following: heart pine floors, upper cabinets that will be a creamy white as well as subway tile, and green lower cabinets that are close to the color of BM's Lafeyette Green, and white wainscoting. I am sure that most of you are tired of seeing my kitchen pictures so I am not posting them again.

My DH would like a yellow, but I'm not sure if that would work. I have a lot of saturated color throughout my home and I am looking for a toned down cheery look for a country kitchen. Plan to add an island sometime later after our cabinets have been repainted.

For those of you familiar with Farrow and Ball paint, do you have any suggestions. Thanks so much.


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I don't hang out here as much as I'd like to anymore, so I've not seen your kitchen. A picture would be helpful.

Be sure to test whichever F&B colors you narrow down to because this paint is very different in one space than it is in another. And it'll look very different from the fandex in the reality of what you see in the room, until you lay it on the fandex and realize it's an exact match. So test.

My first thought is Farrows Cream, which I have in my living room and dining room. It's a yellow cream, with a definite olive undertone in living room here in Northern Virginia, with a North East view. In the dining room, with a South West exposure, the color shows zero green, and is actually even more gorgeous. As an example of how F&B looks different in different locales, when rococogurl tested it in NYC, I believe it went completely ivory for her, like White Tie. Which is also gorgeous and what I have in my kitchen, but that's got way less "color". F&B has many yellows, some more saturated than others. look forward to picture.

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I meant to say until you hold the fandex up to the wall and realize it is an exact match....


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It is hard to tell on the computer monitor, but your base cabinet color, BM Lafayette green, may be similar to Farrow and Ball "Green Smoke". You could try the color schemes recommended by F & B for "Green Smoke": Off White, Shaded White, or Fawn.

I'm not sure if it would feel like a cheery color to you or not, but you could use a very light yellowy green on the walls (to pick up on the green in your base cabinets) like Tunsgate Green. I suggest this because you said you wanted a muted look. A very, very pale version of the color on your base cabinets will still contrast with the white upper cabinets and subway tile. But will create a calm feeling. I don't know if green feels cheery. But it does feel calm.

Tunsgate Green:
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Along with the previous suggestions, I would look at Bone. I think it would provide enough contrast with your white uppers and complement the green lowers. It's not as cheery as Cream, though.


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pirula-I like the Farrow's Cream as well. I am definitely going to order that one in a sample to test. My other thought is to not introduce a totally different color because I do have lots of different elements in the room. By the way, I will get help later posting pics. In the meantime, I do have a couple of pics under pawa's post about moderately colorful kitchens on this site, if you want to check them out. Just remember that my uppers will be painted a color to match my backsplash.

francoise47- That is a cheerful color. My base cabinets are darker than green smoke and are not a yellow green. Would that matter?

wolfgang80- I was actually wondering about that color after looking at the brochure. The more I think about it, it may be a wise move to tie my cabinets in the room somehow. That has been a mistake that I've made in the past, and I have ended up with so many slices of color: wall color, backsplash, soapstone, dark green cabinets and heart pine floors. I really am looking for a more muted backdrop this time. While I love white walls that I see in so many of the kitchens, I have so much color in the rest of my home, it would seem out of place. Not to mention I have white wainscoting.

Until I can post pics later, if any of you are willing to look up the post I mentioned previously, that would be great. Thank you all so much!


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Hi All, Here are two pictures of sis2two's kitchen:

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Thanks francoise!


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Good suggestions. See which one color has undertones that work with the tile and the cabinets. Two other nice ones are House White, which I what I have in my kitchen -- an ivory/yellow and New White which is a cream with a gorgeous umber undertone. A lot of their "whites" work as yellows.


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Great suggestions from rococogurl. I've used House White and New White. In my subtle colors schemes, they do feel yellow. (Perhaps not with your more saturated colors?)

I'm sure you've looked at all the info on the F & B website about undertone. I've found it helpful when picking paints:
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Francoise and rococogurl- I ordered some samples yesterday from F&B which include the house white, cream, bone, and farrow's cream. I spoke with a consultant who actually suggested the house white and cream colors. On the brochure, the house white appears just a tad darker than the actual color that my upper cabinets will be but I really like it. The cream is darker and may work better.Do either of you have thoughts on the cream?

rococogurl-could you post pictures of your kitchen? I'd love to see the house white.

Have either one of you seen the cream?


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sis, I've worked extensively with F&B as has Pirula and Mindstorm, Francoise and a few other longtime posters. I've been to Pirula's house and loved her Farrow's Cream -- pale and elegant in her living room. But when I sampled it in my house it looked like a mustard explosion.

This paint has a lot of different pigments in it. I always suggest painting samples on 24 x 36 foam core boards and moving them around so you can see if color shifts during the day and how. Most of the whites are not as changeable as some of the other colors. I love, love, love this paint surface so for me it's worth the testing.

What's your region b.t.w.?

Have to run out now but will try to get some fresh pix of House White later today and post for you. The ones I have area color adjusted and very blown out.


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Lovely kitchen....

I had the rococourl paint experience backward, it went crazy, not lighter. Either way, you see the point. Glad you're testing.

I'm thinking Farrow's Cream the way it looks in my space wouldn't work in your kitchen. But definitely test it because it is a seriously mutable color. What about maybe String? Matchstick is another one but it has gray/green undertones that may not work. In fact no, forget Matchstick. But look into String, which is a bolder yellow/gold/straw/olive combo here. May have enough oomph to carry itself with the strong colors you have.

I tested Cream. It was god awful. I thought it was going to be perfect for the living room and dining room, but when I tested it I kid you not, it turned into this horrid gold/green nastiness. Awful. It could be incredible in your space you just never know.

Check out String......


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I am in the Shenandoah Valley in a small town called Fishersville, Va. We're just a minutes from Charlottesville.


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I am also a big F&B fan. I used it to paint the parlor floor of my old house. Rococogurl can tell you: I struggled for months trying to assemble the right 4-color palette for the walls, coves, intricate mouldings, and trim. In the end, I think I must have purchased somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 sample pots! :-( That's largely because of the complexity of the palette I was after. But. . . I also wasted a lot of time and money trying to make choices without the benefit of working with a fan deck. Finally, at Roc's suggestion, I bit the bullet and purchased a fan deck. Boy, what a difference that made! Yet, even with the fan deck, I still spent a lot of time sampling colors on foam boards, and finally on the walls themselves. I think that's because of the multiplicity of pigments in F&B paint. All paints change in appearance under varying light conditions, of course. But F&B is the most chameleon-like paint I've ever encountered! In fact, it's so changeable that it's downright seductive. Just one reason why I also love it to death! LOL

That said, I so like Farrow's Cream. It's a really calm-but-rich color that I could definitely see working nicely in a kitchen. Still, my best advice to you is similar to that you've already received: in making your choice, don't rely on how the colors look on the internet, in other people's homes, or even on the free sample cards. Purchase a fan deck and sample away on the boards. Take your time. This is a costly paint investment. .. but so worth it.

Good luck!


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You all are really helpful with your knowledge of these paint colors. One thing that was mentioned by Pirula and has me thinking is the comment about needing something that would carry itself with the strong colors in the room, and I guess you mean the furniture in my breakfast area and my lower cabinets. Since my uppers will be painted off white, do you mean that I shouldn't go with a very pale color but something with a little more intensity?
My floor being heart pine has reddish tones and would that matter if my color is separated by the wainscoting? The dorset cream for instance looks good with my floor and I like the small chip but not sure if it would be too much. I think the string looks good with the lower cabinets and color for my upper cabs but looks a little greenish with the floors. However the color won't be against the floor. Would love to have some input on that. Also Pirula mentioned that Farrow"s Cream may not work in my kitchen and was wondering why it may not simply because I am learning what to look for. You are so helpful and you don"t know how much I appreciate you. Thanks.


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I just got in and it's too dark to get any representation of my wall color. I need to do it in the morning when there's more light. But in the photos you posted your backsplash looks similar to House White.

If you are working with the folding color card you will not get accurate colors. It is not the same as the fan deck or the samples, as you will see.

Pirula's da man to help on your colors as you are in the same regional zone. I'm in the NE and they look very different.

You have gorgeous, gorgeous floors and I feel the copper wall color competes with them. I would personally go a bit darker than the backsplash tile which works especially well with F&B because the surface looks quite rich. That will make the furniture much more noticeable (unfortunately the phone as well) -- it blends now and the wall color, IMO, mutes the impact of the floor to some degree. Lightening the walls above the wainscot will make the room look larger and lighter. I think you'll see exactly what's what when you slip one of those big foam core boards covered with a paint sample behind the corner cabinet. That should make it fairly easy to pick a color.

I have a fan deck so if you want to see as certain colors I can scan and post. They won't be super accurate but should give an idea. Dorset Cream is slightly darker and more yellow than Farrow's Cream. It's a version it says.


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I'm so sorry, I didn't focus on your painting the uppers. That changes everything and brings us back to Farrow's Cream. Please note, there are three creams in discussion here. Dorset Cream, Farrow's Cream, and Cream. It is the latter that looked like baby poop in my light. It is the Farrow's Cream that I used. The Dorset Cream is definitely yellower, more intense and less creamy. Either will work, just depends on the nuance you want. I agree with Rococcogurl, lightening up above wainscot will make such a great difference.

Forget String!! Test Farrow's Cream and Dorset Cream.

Let me see if I can find a picture of Farrow's Cream. brb.....


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Okay, not the greatest light (I'm no photographer) and monitors generally suck, but the color you see on the living room walls and (more importantly) the dining room wall is Farrow's Cream. On the lower dining room wall on my monitor it looks very close to reality.

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Dorset Cream would be slightly brighter, and more yellow, but still creamy'ish.

Here's the kitchen with a view toward the dining room (we've since paneled the wainscot and painted it to match all the wood work in Pointing, but anyway....). In the kitchen you see White Tie on the walls and you can see Farrow's Cream in the dining room.

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And lastly, here is the Farrow's Cream on a bright winter's day with no leaves on the trees. It's Christmas Eve and those are hollies you see outside. We have a huge white oak out there that canopies this side of the house and accentuates the slight olive in the Farrow's Cream. The thing is, only my father and I and one girlfriend can even see it. And she only noticed when I mentioned it. Sometimes we over think these things!
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Does that help a bit? P.S. This is in Northern Virginia, only a couple of hours from you, so we should be pretty close in the light department.


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Oh, and that table is made of over 200 year old heart pine. Proof positive that Farrow's Cream would be divine with your floors.


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And for some added fun...

The Dining chairs are Joa's White and Stony Ground! Omg does Farrow &Ball sell stock?! Okay, off to bed....


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To make things slightly more confusing, here's my House White. IRL it's a dead on match to my cabinet color. I'd describe it as lemon cured cut by half with whipped cream.

And a detail of just the wall and floor. My floors are 5-inch oiled ash and they definitely have ambered. Ash is not as red as your pine.

What's so fascinating about this paint, as Marthavila explained, is the variation. Ivette's chairs are one color I couldn't use -- Joa's White -- because it looked like a horrible fleshy pink with smoke damage on top in my house. I used the other color, Stony Ground, in most of our apartment where it looked medium-dark but on Ivette's chairs in Va it looks 5 shades lighter.

My thought is to test House White but that ultimately in Va a stronger color will be needed. I agree with Ivette.


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pirula and rococogurl- Your posts are so helpful! And your homes are absolutely beautiful! In looking at the House White, I do believe it will be too light for that room. It is beautiful in your space rococogurl and love it with your floors and cabinets. Farrow's Cream is much more what I visualize in my kitchen and the soft look that I want. Your homes really make me want to lighten up all of my dark colors. Oh well the kitchen is a good start! Can't wait to get my samples! Thank you so much. Deedra


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pirula and rococogurl- can I get your opinions on something else?

We are looking to add an island after we have the upper cabinets taken out and painted. Could you give me suggestions as to what color you would use for the island? We had wanted to repaint the lower cabinets but found out from Woodmode that they should be removed for refinishing and obviously with the soapstone, that's not doable. So we just have to keep the lowers green and hope with the island it will help. We plan to change out the hardware as well and was thinking black iron or perhaps nickel. Your thoughts would be appreciated.


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I'd look at Downpipe, a deep gray, or London Clay which is a dark cocoa for the base cabinets. I'd prefer either of those to black but I'd see how each looks with the wall color and the floors.

Someone here painted downpipe on cabinets recently but I cannot remember who. F&B eggshell held up very well on my cabinets.


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rococogurl- We aren't going to be able to paint the lower cabinets. I was wanting suggestions for the island color. Hope to hear from you.


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Thank you, and so glad it helped....

For the island, Jane will have better advice. For me, I'd either do same as you do the uppers, or the same green as the lower cabinets. If it were my kitchen, I'd do the green and keep the constant color weight in the bottom of the room and lighter above. Otherwise, it's just too much going on for me. And I'd either do the soapstone again, or wood for the island counter.


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Down pipe is gorgeous, but I'm not sure it will work. My son's room is down pipe on the walls and it is a grayed navy blue. Gorgeous, but categorically blue. Not the gunmetal gray it appears to be in most locales.


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Apologize for the crappy iPhone pic. Here's Downpipe in Northern VA in a room that faces NE but is pretty bright because of the large windows.....

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Everywhere else it seems to be a lovely deep dark gray. Which is what I was expecting (didn't test, oops. do as I say, not as I do). Luckily for me, it's gorgeous, and my son is a Yankees fan. Otherwise, I'd have had to repaint!


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I agree with Pirula about ownpipe. I used it as the primer for my middle parlor. Downpipe is a lovely color. I would consider using it somewhere in my own home. But, Pirula is correct in describing it as gray-dark blue color. However, the top coat I used over Downpipe was Charleston Gray -- which I highly recommend, btw! Charleston Gray is a very dark greige. Deep, warm, reading primarily dark gray with a hint of brown. I contrasted it with Pointing and Skimming Stone and it came out rather spectacular, I think. But, I also suspect it could work quite well on your lowers, pairing nicely with your floor and stainless appliances and soapstone counters.


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pirula - thanks for the picture! You are probably right about the green island, even though my green cabinets are not my favorite color, I am going to have to work around them and make the best of it. I have so many different things going on and want to tone things down and create a more calming space.

marthavila- I think I was confusing in my earlier post. I am keeping my lowers green so will be working to include the green in my space. The island color is the thing in question, and I agree that whether I do the island in the new upper cabinet color or green, I probably need to do one of the two. Right now I have a disjointed and harsh look.


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I truly believe that staying green with your island and lightening up above with upper cabinets and walls is going to give you the calm and fresh look you want. It's going to be completely different and fantastically better.


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pirula- thank you so much. That makes me feel better. The saying "love the one you're with" now takes on more meaning, even as it applies to cabinets.


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Oh. Okay! In that case, it makes all the sense in the world to "love the one you're with" for sure! :-)


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Thought you were repainting bottom cabinets. I agree with Pirula, match to the green.

Ivette the Downpipe room you photo'd looks green in my monitor. If it looks blue in Ivette's house it will be blue in sis.'

It's steel color in my house but you see why we all consult?


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Thank you all so much. Any hardware suggestions? I have all stained wood knobs now although they don't photograph correctly on the green cabinets.


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Looks a little green on mine too Rococcogurl, but there's no green in real life. Yes, definitely must consult with F&B.

Hardware. Well, do you want to keep your countryish traditional feel? Then brushed nickel is too contemporaryish. Wood would be nice if you do like a dark cherry counter on island, like mine! Anything shiny would be a bit blingy. What about orb? Would look lovely with the soapstone and super nice on both the cream uppers and green lowers. Or black would also work.


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I'd wait on hardware until everything is repainted. But keep the wood knobs so they can be used is or recolored. Or you can decide to replace to move it to a new direction.


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Many thanks for all of your help!


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Please keep us posted.....


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Another big F&B fan here! I used White Tie in my kitchen (I'm in the NE, like Rococogurl, who was a HUGE help to me in picking the colors--she is really an absolute genius with color). Now in the past, I've always been about color! color! color! but lately I've been toning down my color palette and I love the calm feel it imparts to the house. I would never in my life have willingly painted a room white, but I love the White Tie on my kitchen walls wholeheartedly. Comparing your kitchen to pirula's and knowing that you live in the same region, my instinct says that the Farrow's Cream would be the perfect pick...but you really won't know till you get a good-sized sample up on the walls.

Harder to test in a shorter timeframe, but keep in mind that the color will also change during the seasons. In summer my kitchen reflects the green tones cast by the trees outside. If there's snow outside, it lightens up. But it always looks beautiful no matter what. I really can't recommend F&B highly enough! I have Pale Powder in my adjacent dining room and it makes me happy every time I walk in. I was 100% sure I wanted Pavilion Blue in there until I did the big samples. Even though they're very close in color, it was all wrong, and the PP was exactly right.


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My living room/dining room is painted F&B Matchstick. I chose it after seeing it in a "before" photo in Canadian House and Home. The "after" showed the same space with a pale grey. I preferred the "before" and was captivated by the description that "it made the whole house look as if it was lit by candlelight".
It's a wonderful cream with absolutely no green or pink undertones. A bit of brown. If you look at F&B Catspaw you'll get an idea of the undertones, as that's almost a darker version of Matchstick. Several friends are now planning on repainting their cream rooms in Matchstick. It really is a beautiful colour, that has a depth only F&B achieves.


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Matchstick is worth a try. The inside of the cabinets in the pic above (above fridge nook, and bookcase) are painted in Matchstick. A friend here painted her white cabineted ,marble countered, wood floored kitchen in Matchstick and It's beautiful. It goes more brown and less yellow the Farrow's Cream here in VA. It could definitely work though.


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Here are a couple of views of my friend's lovely new kitchen, also in Northern VA. She just took these (thank you!!!), so late afternoon light. On my monitor, the walls look very true to life for Matchstick:
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So, I think with the three, you have Farrow's Cream, which is a definite yellow cream, but very soft. Dorset Cream, which is a much sunnier yellow, but still creamy, and Matchstick, which is a bit more of a straw yellow, with some brown, and little cream. Any of these will work, and I suggest you test all three. It'll be an issue of nuance and which one goes best with your green and beautiful heart pine.


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I'm thinking Matchstick may work best with the green but the question for me will be which of the 3 also works with the backsplash and how sis's very red pine floor pushes undertones in each of the colors. That floor and corner cabinet are major. But 3 great color choices. Hats off to you Pirula.

And thanks for the far too kind words, Anna. ~~~ waving!


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Thank you all. Tomorrow I plan to order more samples. Thanks for the pictures pirula. Your friend's kitchen is so pretty! When I look at the Dorset Cream, even though it may work, I am thinking that I want to go lighter. I may try the lighter ones first and if they are not right, I'll try the Dorset Cream.


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You're very welcome! Her kitchen is lovely isn't it? Keep us posted please!


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Oh, I'm reminded how I picked the wrong color for my walls. Sigh. I picked revere pewter thinking I was being more fashion forward than the cream I picked. Blah, blah, blah. Grey is so trendy now... Oh well. It was pirula's kitchen that made me want to do the cream. I did pick out the FPE paint done in an ivory white (bm match) for our cabs. So, I did pick something similar to the pointing I should have picked. Though the ivory white is more creamy than the pointing. When I repaint next time, I'm going with the FB for the walls. I love the colors of your home. So beautiful. Thanks for asking this question so I can dream again! :)
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pirula and rococogurl-My plan is to try and match my creamy crackle subway tile to the color of the upper cabinets to try to have a more seamless look. I am looking at the Alpine White color by Woodmode since I am changing my upper doors to the shaker style . Just wanted to run this past you two to see if that is the right direction. As you're aware I had so many slices of color before that I am trying to avoid that look. Thank you again.


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So you're saying that you plan to match/coordinate the Woodmode color for the new upper doors to the backsplash tile and you're also looking to coordinate those with the wall color -- is that right?

If that's the plan, I absolutely concur. Reason is that you have a different color on the base cabinets.

I also think glass uppers in your kitchen will make a big difference for you in terms of updating. Very smart.


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Thanks so much rococogurl. I was planning to go with a light color that would distinguish itself from the upper cabinet color but nothing dramatic. I'm thinking that I don't want an exact match. When I look at your cabinets, I love the warmth of the wall color. I remember you saying that your wall color is the same but it looks darker to me. Now, my wainscoting is another issue. Would you try to match it to the upper cabinets?


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I agree with rococogurl. Find the white that works with the backsplash first, then find the perfect cream for the walls to go with both. And yes, I would do the same white on the wainscot.


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I'm not sure what's going on with the toe kicks, but they really stand out in the picture. Are they white or light wood? Have you considered painting them? Either to match the green, or do what I did. Paint them black and they virtually disappear. Just a thought, I don't want to add to your workload, I just think it would make a nice difference for the better.


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Thing with F&B even if there is a match, which was lucky for me, it looks a bit different on the walls because the surface is matte and cabinets are not. So no worries on that.

I paint wainscot and all the trim, including windows, doors, crown molding the same, as Pirula says. That matches upper cabinets which, essentially, are the same finish as trim paint (i.e. not flat). Then you have the slightly darker wall color that coordinates. Then that's the scheme.

I use Pointing for ceilings btw.

Wondering why you cannot change the bottom cabinet color?


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Also wondering: can the little wood valance over the window be removed and cut down so it's essentially just a bar? The window frame is very nice and the arch isn't needed.


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Thanks guys. We are planning to remove the window valance when they take the cabinets out for painting. Speaking of painting, rococogurl had questioned why we aren't painting the lowers. We contacted Woodmode to ask about refinishing our cabinets and they said that we should have them removed to have them sanded and sprayed. The representative that we spoke with said that with the finish that's on the cabinets that the sanding required would not be conducive to doing that in place. He also said that we would not be happy with having them brush painted. With the soapstone and backsplash and flooring it's just not worth it to try and have them taken out.So they are removing the uppers, having them sprayed and we are replacing the doors. The toe kick really isn't noticeable irl. It is stained and actualy blends into the floor.
I love the idea of pointing for the ceiling. I have all white ceilings except my dining room. That would definitely help the crown molding to stand out.
Where do you all get the largevfoam boards for sample painting. Our BM store has the 8x10 but I haven't seen the larger size.

When I have all of the samples done I would like to get your opinions. You have helped me so much already and I hate to keep bothering you but it is obvious that picking paint is not my gift. Thank you so much.


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Slightly off topic, but I am intrigued by rococogurl's comment that she likes to paint ceilings in F & B Pointing -- sounds lovely.

I'm curious what sheen level rococogurl (and others) suggest for a ceiling.
I've always used good ol' BM ceiling white in a flat finish.
If I go crazy and paint my formal dining room ceiling in Pointing,
what finish do you recommend for a plaster ceiling? Estate Eggshell? Dead Flat?

(I'm still trying to figure out what F & B color to use for my walls --
but some time this summer I will be painting the room.)


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all my ceilings are also Pointing (ah great minds....), I used the Modern Emulsion because with my large windows letting in lots of light, the slight reflection really brightens the spaces and makes the ceilings feel higher. Most people like flat on their ceilings, I don't.

Pointing is hands down my favorite F&B color. It's exquisite in eggshell, where it's a true glass of milk (on all our woodwork, windows, doors) and just slightly creamier on the ceiling where it meets up with the eggshell Pointing on the woodwork, and a gorgeous soft ivory white in the flat Estate Emulsion in a friend's house (whom I talked into using Pointing in a huge room recently and she's over the moon happy with it).

You'll need to think about sheen sis2two. F&B on your kitchen walls I recommend the modern emulsion which holds up to humidity, and is cleanable etc. Although I've found the estate emulsion cleanable too after it cures. Not an issue. But F&B recommends the Modern Emulsion for kitchens and bathrooms. The sheen is very slight, you won't even notice it unless you have light blasting on it as my windows do to my ceilings. A little slice of heaven.


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I am glad that you asked that Francoise because I need to know too. We have used the same as you for our ceilings. I meant to tell you that I love your kitchen and I saw your post with your clock over your banquette. That looks perfect!

For your kitchens, what finish did you you all use?


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I get foam boards at Rite Aid or at one of the discount places -- anywhere moms go for kid projects. I just get the white 36 x 24 -- poster size. They deform slightly from the moisture in the paint but are light enough to stay up with loops of painters tape. By far the best option I found. Can use both sides. I put them up serially, not side-by-side. That way I can see how each color "wears" on me. Takes me a long time to decide (which Ivette will remember LOL).

Sis if you don't have the fandeck, I do and I can easily scan the colors for a scheme and post. I always do color schemes -- in fact I did it for the whole house so I was able to see the room-to-room relationships and set up a chart of the various finishes for the painters.

Francoise, I use the estate emulsion on ceilings. On plaster it's phenomenally beautiful. We had 1929 plaster walls and ceilings in the apartment and the F&B were so gorgeous and luminous neighbors were coming to the open house to see the paint, which it seems became a thing about our place.

I used Modern on the range and sink walls but used Estate Emulsion in the same color on adjacent walls -- practical and not noticeable. I did use Modern in the bath (below). I also feel their Eggshell finish is tops for beadboard cabinets, trim, baseboard, doors, door frames and picture molding. We repainted our kitchen cabinets with Eggshell. Crown Point also offers it as an option now.

The Estate, at least in Blackened which I used a lot, wasn't extensively cleanable IME but was patchable. Everything else held up perfectly. Here's the bathroom in Modern (Lamproom Gray)

and when I had a can of hair mousse explode in there I was able to completely clean it all off the ceiling without a trace.

Like Ivette, I think Pointing's the perfect all purpose white. It's my default and it looks great even with very close white colors.

Francoise, what color are you thinking about for your dining room? With plaster oh my, will you get an amazing look.


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I used Pointing on my plaster ceilings and crown mouldings as well as on my wood wainscotting and trim work. On the plaster, I used Estate Emulsion; for the woodwork, I used Estate Eggshell. Beautiful!


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I had a friend come over today and question whether painting my upper cabinets was the thing to do or not since I'm not repainting them all. Now I thought I was going in the right direction until she mentioned that she would consider changing the door style, removing the valance, and adding more glass. If I did that, I could look at painting the walls and wainscoting both the same color in a light color. If you had to keep the lowers green, what would you do honestly. If the uppers are going to look better in my kitchen painted white, that's what I want to do. If not, I don't want to spend the money( 6800.00 ) just to repaint. That doesn't include the other changes to the cabinets.Looking forward to getting your feedback. Thanks again.


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With all due respect to your friend, I completely and utterly disagree with her. The changes discussed above are the absolute right thing to do for the change you want and will be tremendously better. In fact, I think the contrast between your light uppers and your cream walls and those dark lowers are going to make you like your lowers a lot more than you ever thought you would.


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Thanks so much pirula! Now I need to stay on course! I received 2 of the samples today, House White and Cream. While the House White is pretty, it's too light I think and goes lemony. The cream is better but I will post pictures hopefully tonite if they turn out. Can't wait to get the others. I have a feeling matchstick may work the best but we'll see! I actually like the bone but it won't give me the look that I am trying to achieve. It does work with the green nicely though.

Rococogurl-You are so sweet to be willing to scan the fan deck. F&B is actually out of the fan decks for a couple of weeks. I would love to see Matchstick and Farrow's Cream. Thanks so much!


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I wouldn't let others dismiss brush painting your lowers without actually considering it. I think there's something special about brush strokes on simple shaker style cabinetry, especially in what you describe as a country kitchen. In fact, I much prefer that appearance over a perfectly uniform sprayed cabinet. This is not to say that your green needs to be changed. I would just not let others tell you you're not going to like it. I understand that many want the indestructible factory finish but there is a place for brush painted woodwork.


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I can't scan the fan deck. It's far too large. Happy to scan the color scheme for reference/discussion when you finalize.

Francoise actually scanned some color schemes above -- if you look there you will see Matchstick is included. I just scanned Farrow's Cream and it looks lemon yellow -- nothing like the swatch. This link to colors on the F&B website should be most useful. This isn't the easiest paint to work with and until recently they were mostly catering to designers so they don't have the usual consumer support.

If you can get to an F&B showroom or a place where they sell the paints they have brushouts -- actual paint samples on boards. It would be worth a trip if you have any leftover backsplash tile to take along. Their site has a place to put in the zip code and get their nearest store/showroom.


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Wolfgang80- I have nothing against brush painted cabinets at all and agree that it fits the country look. However, I don't want the uppers spray painted and the lowers painted by hand. The sanding down is the issue inside and I'm not willing to possibly ruin my floors or soapstone and I do know they would have to use an orbital sander. Not to mention in my household, I need indestructible!!

rococogurl-I see what you mean now. I have been on their website and that's when I found out their fan decks are out of stock. I think their closest store is about 2 1/2 hours away from me. I will make a trip to actually get the paint when the time is closer. It will probably be about 3 months before we have our cabinets painted because of the expense. Our plan is to have the kitchen painted while the cabinets are out.


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There is a store that's closer

Just checked and found out that there is a store in Richmond which is about an hour and 45 minutes away. I may try to make that trip this week!


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If you had to keep the lowers green, what would you do honestly. If the uppers are going to look better in my kitchen painted white, that's what I want to do.

Sounds like the majority - and especially the ones that know F&B colors like the back of their hands - have given their advice. It's a big step to take, but I think you will truly love your kitchen after you make changes. As you've told me, you're not happy with it now - that's not going to change.

fwiw, I painted DD2's builder grade kitchen cabinets with a brush over a year ago. Primer, then two coats of paint. Distressed and glazed. She has 4 dogs, 2 cats and a 10 month old. There is not a scratch on them.

I understand you wanting a factory finish, but agree with wolfgang about brushstrokes.


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allison- I am glad that you have weighed in. You have been so helpful with this kitchen makeover. My plan is to use many of your suggestions that you made earlier. We are also going with the same style door as the lowers and plan to have glass doors on the left and right side of the sink, but not the glass doors that I have now because they are outdated. I plan to add a skirt underneath my sink once my cabinets are all done. An island will come later as finances permit. You were right about asking the paint experts about the F&B paints. I have always wanted to use them.
Did you havevyour cabinets painted on site or were they painted and brought in. I love all of your finishes!


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i agree with wolfgang and allison too. I would, since my kitchen cabinets are hand painted by moi, and has brushstrokes. I wanted the brushed, hand painted truth of what they were. What could be better? I didn't use F&B on the cabinets, I used FPE, but not from any lack of faith with regard to F&B. Six years later, the cabinets look exactly the same. This kitchen is used hard, and I love that I was able to just touch up the one little drawer, where the darned cat uses her back claws to get up on the counter by the window.... um, another subject altogether. Anyway, looks like new.

Stick with the plan, it's a very good one.....


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I have taken pics of the house white and cream samples. These aren't done on large boards but here goes. House White:

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Well, for the moment, this is a good start. I see the tile, what is the other white sample? What your cabinets will be? And is that "Cream". JUST "Cream"? I like the House White where it's darker, and like the Cream where it's lighter, so I suspect that either Matchstick or Farrow's Cream will be the way to go. But you are definitely on the riight track here.


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My island and black hutch were painted before shipped. The fridge section was painted, but not the fridge panels as they were made here and painted at my house.

I saw this a few minutes ago, and thought of you. Picture cream and green, and visualize it more country than this lean toward modern - just wanted you to see the dark lower cabs with the monochromatic backsplash, uppers and walls.


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Bingo.


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pirula-- My feelings are the same about the paints. And last night the cream did turn into baby poop. Oh the memories that brought back! The one sample is the cabinet color that I am considering which is Woodmode's Alpine White. Hopefully my other samples will be here in a couple of days. I plan to get bigger sample boards as rococogurl suggested.

allison-I love that inspiration picture! Thank you for posting it.


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pirula-question about your chandelier

I love the iron chandelier that you have over your heart pine table and was wondering where you purchased it. I would love to have something like that over my table in the kitchen. My fixture doesn't give off much light and I love the airiness of yours. Thank you.


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I assume you mean me. I don't see any other chandeliers above, so thank you, i'm glad you like it. We really love it. Unfortunately, I can't help you much. It was a gift from my dad and was handmade in New England somewhere. It's signed by the artist who made it. He had a website, but I just spent several minutes googling every parameter I could think of and couldn't find what I vaguely remember to be his website. So I can't help with my specific one. However, there are myriad wrought iron chandeliers out there so you won't have any trouble at all finding one you love. It appears much larger in real life than it does in the picture for some reason, so the airiness was key. I like to hang them low and I like them to be almost as wide as the table (sigh, I break all the rules). So the airiness was a major factor in the choice. Good luck finding one, I'm sorry I can't help more.


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OMG I found it!!! Thanks Dad!!

These are beautiful. The "candles" are even made out of real beeswax.

Have fun looking and choosing!

Here is a link that might be useful: Chandy


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Thank you pirula! I bet you didn't see that I had put your name in the subject for posting when I asked about the chandelier. I love looking at that picture of your dining room, so pretty and serene. Thanks so much for the link.


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Oh! Nope I sure didn't! Thank you and your welcome!


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Today I received my farrow's cream and matchstick samples. Neither one looked as I expected in my particular kitchen. What I found is that the Farrow's Cream almost looked yellowy with my floors and cabinet in the corner. The matchstick went lighter as the day went on and not in a good way. I loved them on the large sample boards. The other thing that I am finding is that light colors look almost anemic in my breakfast area with my furniture and floors. I know that I am used to have deeper colors but I don't really think that's it. I have ordered the Dorset Cream. As much as I was hoping a soft color would work, I need something with more oomph so to speak.

When I was choosing color for my foyer, I went with a paint that had more peach undertones because of my floors. So many colors that I tried went green. Speaking of green, I painted a large foam board in the cream today and it has enough deepness to work in the room but does go a little green at times.

I am feeling kind of frustrated and am not sure what to do other than hope the dorset cream works. To get the muted look that I want in the kitchen, I'm not sure the breakfast room is going to have the depth it needs and especially on top of the white wainscoting.


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I'm going to make a suggestion that I hope you won't take in the wrong way. Without a fan deck it's simply more reasonable to go to the paint store with the tile and pull Benjamin Moore samples. That will be far easier. Aura is lovely paint and has a very nice surface. It dries quickly, is low odor and about half the price.

This isn't because you don't know about paint. It's not. You seem to know what you want. However, this is like trying to learn to drive on a Ferrari with a stick shift on hills in San Francisco.


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Aura is nice paint. DD2's house interior is painted in Aura, by DH. He couldn't say enough good things about it. Roc's right, it has a very nice surface.


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rococogurl and allison- I understand exactly what you are saying and I agree. I do plan to get a fan deck as soon as F&B has some in stock. Currently they are out. Most of my home is painted in aura paint so I do know that it's good paint. I also have two rooms painted with Ellen Kennon's paint which is also a great paint. I have always wanted to try F&B paint because the chalky finish is appealing to me. However if I can't find a color that works, I will probably use one of the brands I've used before.

I do have a question about the fan deck. Are there many more colors than the brochure? The brochure is very limited it seems.

Thank you so much for all of your help.


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The colors are very limited, yes. All their paint is premixed in England, it's not mixed at the hardware store. Even some of my color consultant pals don't want to bother because they feel the palette is too limited and they can't get paint quickly.

In the past I had wanted to try Donald Kaufman paints but the logistics were terrible. It wasn't worth the work. Just the way it sometimes goes with that paint in some regions. This sounds like an eye roller but honestly, it's so dependent on the light.

You've used Ellen K in the past and she's such a lovely person. You can get her on the phone so she can help you do a color scheme for your kitchen. Might be worth considering.


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Your peach comment got me thinking. I have Donald Kauffman number 3 in my bathroom. A gorgeous creamy yellow with an undertone of pink that is not remotely fleshy. It's a gorgeous color with a bit more oomph than the farrows cream and zero green, ever. Might be worth a look.

Cox paint online makes getting DKC and F&B easy peasy.


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Cox has the fandex as well.


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Thanks rococogurl If the F&B paint doesnt work out for me, I may look at contacting Ellen. She is a sweet person and has some beautiful colors too.
The good thing is that I have some time before the cabinets are taken out.
Thanks again for all of your input. Deedra


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I have Donald Kaufman in one of my bathrooms as well! :-) Don't remember the exact color -- but it doesn't matter so much for purposes of this discussion because it's a pale blue. Point is, I remember searching high and low for a color that would "match" the vintage listello border tile in that bathroom. Only DK had it. Went on like a dream and has lasted for years! I highly recommend DK, along with FB, if you can get it.


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I get what you're saying about needing some oomph on the walls in your breakfast area. I would prime over the copper brown with white to give yourself a clean slate to begin with. Any white-ish colour is going to get lost when you have such a dominant colour that a) you're used to and b) drowns out any sample board you put up.

Speaking of BM, I saw a LR on Remodelista about a year ago that had walls in Overcast and trim in White Chocolate. I'm not sure how it'll play with your floors but I think it's a sensational combination for your wainscoting and walls. It has a presence while still light and ethereal.

Is the strip of wall above your cabs the only painted surface in your kitchen?


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Pirula-I will definitely check out the Cox website. Thank you for that suggestion.

marthavila- I have heard of Donald Kaufman and will have to check it out.

wolfgang-I was actually thinking last night about the darkness in the room really hindering me from getting a feel for actual color samples. We do have a little more wall space in the kitchen area to the left of the refrigerator and a small strip of vertical space at the end of the cabinet run on the microwave side... I will check out the overcast

Will keep you all posted.


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Any word on how the Dorset Cream worked out? or not?


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pirula--I just saw that you had asked about the Dorset Cream. It was just too strong for the look I was going for.
We have decided after all that we are going to have our upper and lower cabinets painted white. All of the doors will be replaced in the shaker door style by Woodmode. Thank you so much for your help. I plan to post pictures when it is complete.


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