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A 90/10 Kitchen

Posted by peony4 (My Page) on
Thu, Apr 10, 14 at 0:41

My DH and I will likely retire to a property that�s been in his family for generations and which entertains visiting family. While we are still a while away from living there full-time, I have used it for years as a family member and experienced its function.

One concern is the kitchen. For 90% of the time, it supports 2 people. However, holidays and vacations bring an additional 15-20 family members. Given the circumstances, this will probably be the case if/when we take over, and that 10% of the time is very important. Thus, the 90/10 equation is what drives my kitchen ideas.

I�ve worked in the current kitchen for a number of years now, and have experienced its shortcomings in handling crowds. When my time comes, the kitchen will be ready for a renovation, and I want to accommodate the 90/10 equation.

I envision what the kitchen will be� and here are my initial thoughts:

> 2 large sinks, side by side, to house the prep and cleaning that comes with a crowd at 10%. For the other 90% when it�s just 2 people, a cutting board will cover 1 of the sinks to extend the counter space. In my experiences, there are many memorable family moments at the kitchen sink. I'd like to keep them side by side vs. a main sink and island prep sink.

> A double oven that�s strategically placed in rarely used kitchen real estate, but within convenient distance of a landing spot. When it is used, it will need to support large dishes of baked dishes to feed a crowd.

> A 6-burner range that can be used as 2-3 burners 10% of the time, but will accommodate extra burner usage 10% of the time. The real estate for the extra burners is minimal, I think.

> Refrigeration�my visions run the gamut. At times I see a single, standing freezer and another refrigerator, because planning for a large crowd requires storage. But perhaps a garage refrigerator would better serve as overflow for that 10% of the time (albeit the hassle of going to the garage to fetch what�s needed).

> Dishwashers�actually, I used to believe 2 would be ideal for the 10%. However, given the number of teen/young adult family members who bring their SO who want to make a good impression, they tend to occupy the sink for cleanup (so sweet, eh?). One DW might be sufficient.

> A dedicated counter space for morning coffee prep and all that this entails.

> A dedicated evening space for bar prep and all that this entails, as well.

> Storage? I haven�t gotten this far yet. The geographic area has many good local resources for ingredients and food prep. I hope to accommodate short-term storage needs without being prohibitive to practicality 10% of the time.

A flexible dining space (this is an area on which I�m focusing in terms of furniture and placement not necessarily related to kitchen design).

So, if you were to design, or have designed a kitchen that was used by 2 people for 90% of the time, and 20 people for 10% of the time, what elements would you consider?


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RE: A 90/10 Kitchen

I would actually consider a smaller range top and portable induction burners for extra burners during the ten percent. An advantage of this might also be that you could set up a completely separate extra cooking zone, allowing two cooks to work on burners at the same time.


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RE: A 90/10 Kitchen

I had some similar concerns when I was planning. I needed to be able to cook for several dozen (though not for several days running) and have half a dozen people working in the kitchen without hindrance.

  • Wide aisles are essential.
  • More work stations are more useful than longer counters, though having at least four feet to work in is preferable to less
  • No one likes working in the corner, especially when everyone else is in a more social position.
  • Storage doesn't have to be in the kitchen, but the pots, spices, and other staples do.
  • It's amazing what will fit in an ordinary fridge.
  • Portable appliances are your friends.
  • Have all self service stuff outside the kitchen workflow

If your 10% (larger version of the family) like chilled beverages, sodas, beer, etc., then definitely have an ancillary fridge well removed from the kitchen, and have a station near it with cups, napkins, recycling, trash, openers, etc. You can also put fruit and other snacks there.

Any chance you could get the coffee and bar out of the kitchen too? Put out pitchers of water and ice buckets and maybe a bar fridge (can be unplugged when the 10% aren't there for the fixin's. Do you have a buffet in the dining room or somewhere that you can make into a full on breakfast station? Not just the coffee, but also a microwave, toaster, etc., that can hide when they're gone.

Train them all that the kitchen is not a place to wash. If they're used to bringing outdoor gunk into the kitchen rather than traipsing through the house, you can buy an inexpensive garden sink that hooks up to a hose and put a box of cheap bar towels next to it and a basket for the used ones.

As to the kitchen proper, I wouldn't put the sinks side by side. That puts everyone too clustered together with no room to actually work. Two people can work at one sink, but they need a couple feet of counter space and turn space and elbow room between them and the next pair. If you were thinking that that would give you two large single basins rather than a single double bowl sink for handwashing, a better solution is a couple of dishpans in a large single bowl sink. That's what I do when I have dozens to dinner.

Current dishwashers take a couple of hours to run. Having two would definitely cut down on kitchen labor, since one won't hold a single meal's dishes for that many. When I have dozens to dinner, the cooking stuff goes in the DW (I only have the one), and we hand wash the fancy stuff using the two dishpans in the sink method, and it works great.

Having a large prep sink, however, is a good idea. You may find that you use it plenty even when it's just the two of you. It'll be more useful for the 10% visit to have it located in a separate station. That doesn't have to be a huge distance from the clean-up sink, and, in fact, can be more useful if it's pretty close, but they really should be separated so that pot washing and prep can happen at the same time, and that elbow room thing. Just a few feet since you don't want it in the island (though I can't tell if that means you're not having an island or just don't want the sink there).

I think your appliance plan is good. The oven on a big range is really big, however, and you might find yourself using one of the wall oven more when it's just two of you. Not that that's a bad thing. The advice to have a portable burner (which can even be used outside) is good too. And you could use a Nesco roaster, which is what my mother always did for a third oven--she put it on the dryer. And hot trays or portable warming drawers if you need them.

You might not need double ovens with the big range. You'll have to look at what you cook while the 10% are there. If a whole lot of different things are cooking at once, maybe you do. While you might not need all six burners firing at once, four on a four burner stove is crowded. :) If you're short of space, however, you might consider a single wall oven and some small appliances (if you have room to store them outside of the kitchen). My house is storage challenged, so I got a large and small wall oven (one does steam) and a speed oven which also functions as a microwave or a third oven (I always do use that third oven when there are more than a dozen people to dinner, but the roaster oven would work just as well if I had somewhere to put it).

Other stations might be staging/alternate prep where dishes get filled and ready to go out, carving for where hot food is handled to make it ready for service, and baking, if you have anyone making desserts during meal making. Carving needs the most elbow room, really. If you have an island, that's a good place for it. If it's a big island, carving can go on one end and staging on the other.

Re storage, you might be storing a lot of kitchen related stuff between visits. If there isn't room in the kitchen proper, you can put a freestanding cabinet just about anywhere. Papergoods, cans and other long shelf life things, beverages, etc., don't have to be in your way.

I guess, really, the theme of my advice is give everyone room to work, and get as much as you can out of the kitchen entirely! :)


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RE: A 90/10 Kitchen

I recommend buying the book on Amazon "kitchen design with cooking in mind" It talks about all of this in the best way I have ever seen.

One more thing to consider is a convenient place for coolers on a floor that won't be ruined by some dripping water. If folks are going to all be bringing things, you can end up with 8 coolers on the floor in the kitchen, taking up all the floor space by the table. So a mudroom, pantry, porch, or staging area with counters for coolers and probably a utility sink might be really nice to have.


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RE: A 90/10 Kitchen

Our complex has a common facility kitchen that regularly hosts large groups cooking and eating together. Things that work:

* one 24" dishwasher, but it's a commercial one that does a cycle in 2 minutes. it's been going for 12 years with no issues. needs storage room for special trays for glasses, etc. everyone LOVES this - especially men

* all sinks and appliances have counter space separating them

* large island that is used for prep and serving - this is used much more than the perimeter counters

* one range, one cooktop, and one wall oven

* 4 sinks - 1 prep in island, 2 standard sinks, one utility sink - only the prep and one of the standard sinks are regularly used

* laminate counter on the island has NOT held up to 12 years' worth of traffic

* island has a hole for cords to plug into outlet below for slow cookers, hot plates, etc. for serving


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RE: A 90/10 Kitchen

Thank you for your thoughtful responses! So much information I hadn't considered before. Thanks for taking your time to respond. Mulling all this over...


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