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Anyone have Conestoga Cabinets in Crystal White or Chesapeake?

Posted by mholtz2323 (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 5, 12 at 23:46

Hi
I am looking into getting Conestoga Cabinets and was wondering if anyone was familiar with their white finishes.
I want something to match Plain and Fancy's buttercream (which is just an off-white).
I've read that crystal white and chesapeake are their creamy colors (chesapeake being the most creamy).
I am ready to purchase some samples and thought I would do some research before wasting money on samples I know off the bat won't work.
Any pics to share?

Thanks


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RE: Anyone have Conestoga Cabinets in Crystal White or Chesapeake

Did you order your samples yet. I got frosty white and crystal white samples. The crystal white is really pretty creamy in my opinion. IMO, crystal white looks like the chesapeake white online to me. If you want a creamy white, I would say crystal white is your color.


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I'm also wanting to order samples of these colors.
Thanks for the heads up.
Just curious if you ordered door samples and what you thought
(We are looking at conestoga's shaker style doors).


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I may look at Conestoga's shaker doors also and compare with Shiloh. Thanks for the heads up on the white shades. I can't wait to see pictures.


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We are currently in the middle of a Conestoga Shaker (Albany door style) in Frosty White hard maple, project in our kitchen. Quite a bit of customization with our setup with multiple pieces, pieces, parts, ordering external posts and having Conestoga paint them, etc. Cannot beat Conestoga for quality and price. Almost too many options to choose from but very glad we went with Conestoga...the price was unbeatable. Not a huge kitchen (14 cabinets with various custom end panels, posts, island panels, pieces to construct a custom hood, etc). Took a while to figure everything out but very happy with the quality and finish.


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goodguy2k2k, any pictures?


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I also would love to see pictures!


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Currently pics would be of a total mess of kitchen pulled apart while new cabs go in. I will post some as we progress.


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goodguy2k2k, Sounds good and I don't think anyone here would mind a pic of a total mess of a kitchen. Actually I enjoy looking at the transformation progress of the kitchens on here.

Curious, you mentioned "pieces to construct a custom hood", I was thinking about going the same route with a hood, what did you order to accomplish this?

Thanks


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This is all I have on my computer. The cabinets are frosty white and I got them from the Cabinet Joint. They are inset.


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Lexmomof3, I LOVE your inset cabinets. What height are the cabinets? What width are the drawers? What temperature are your bulbs (2,700K or 3,000K, etc.). Your kitchen is so pretty! What counters do you have?


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Thanks Lynn2006. The uppers are 42" and the drawers next to the range are 36" and the outer ones are 33" if I recall correctly. Will measure and correct if I'm wrong. Perimeter is Alabama white marble and island is black pearl. Led lights are 2700.


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Thank you so much lemomof3 for letting me know! Also I just checked out the Cabinet Joint and they have several cabinets in their Shaker Style collection. Which door style did you choose as it is the look I love. I also love the inset look. Are they frameless inset or framed inset?

Any close-ups of the backsplash and counters? Thank you so much!


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I would also recommend Rick at The Cabinet Authority. Just a note on shaker doors- the Albany has a deep and thick center panel. The Stockbridge looks the same but has thinner center panel (still decent), cheaper than Albany for island panels, etc.

Conestoga only makes face frame cabinets (no frameless). You can customize all lengths and widths of the face frame pieces as well as doors, etc. There are some tricks to extend face frame to cover side panels, etc.

Options are almost endless and can be very confusing.

The only filler piece in the whole project was for the microwave wall cabinet where I had to go with their std opening size - which matched no microwave on the market that I can find.

Re doors and panels: panels (like island backs, etc) are basically doors you order to whatever size (and number of panels) you desire. You can also customize the height of bottom (or any) stile/rail on the panel (so you can match the panel lines with the door lines on the front of your cabinet.

It takes some thought and one if the harder aspects of ordering Conestoga is the amount of help you will get is sometimes not enough. The Conestoga resellers only have so much time and only know so much. Most of this wil be up to you and ultimately you have to sign off on the order and take responsibility for it being right. It took me a LONG time to figure all of this out and make sure all measurements were right. It took some doing.

Easy to assemble the cabinets. Have to take your time to ensure the hinges and other detail work is done correctly (videos online were helpful in that regard).


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Lexmomof3, beautiful kitchen. Curious, was the hood custom or one of there standard ones.


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goodguy2K2K, thanks for letting me know all this. So the only way I could do this project with these beautiful cabinets is if I found a reasonably priced handyperson with good references. Shame I am not more handy as I like how there are just about no fillers.


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The hood was custom by our builder's regular cabinet guy. It was pretty inexpensive considering what I've seen. I think it was about $600 but I did already have the corbels. The front is like a mantle which was unintended but worked out very nicely because I like that I can decorate it.

The tile is milkglass (MG01) by Susan Jablon. It's kind of like a basketweave tile but the tile guy didn't do a great job with the grout. It was the last thing of this build and I was over worrying about it so I've learned to live with less than perfect. :)


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You probably would need a handyman. Mostly for the install portion. Assembly is not too bad. Watch some of the Cabinet Joint videos on youtube to get an idea. See link or search for TheCabinetJoint on youtube.
Brian gives good explanations.

The price is maybe 1/4 of comparable cabinets though so if you can find an assembler and installer - you can end up with a semi custom kitchen for 1/4 the price.

There are fillers. But if you plan it right, you can avoid almost all of them.

Here is a link that might be useful: Conestoga Assembly Video


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Lexmomof3, the backsplash is gorgeous! I also love the counters! I can see the inset is beaded and I just love your cabinets!


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Lexmomof3, the hood price is extremely inexpensive. Do you have any closer picture of the hood? Many cabinet companies charge quite a bit more then that.

How is frosty white in person? Kinda hard to tell from the picture. I bought the colourtone samples and trying to decide between frosty and designer white. From the samples, frosty looks a lot more creamy then designer, but in your picture it doesn't look as creamy as the sample.

goodguy2k2k, thanks for the comment about the microwave cabinet. Was going to originally do a otc microwave and probably will do a microwave cabinet(still need to decide between the two that they offer) and a hood over the range. Sounds like from what you said earlier that you are custom building one from parts. I've thought about that, but not sure what parts to use.

I do have a question for both Lexmomof3 and goodguy2k2k.
Is the underside of the wall cabinets, clear coated or unfinished plywood. When watching one of the videos it looked like the underside of the wall cabinet was unfinished plywood.

Thanks


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Forgot to specify doors - they're CRP-10 with reverse G cove raised panel (I wanted a heavy weight to the door). The door edge profile is L-686 and the frame has a regular bead. There are a lot of decisions that go into buying these cabinets and you need to thoroughly read through everything and do your research. goodguy is absolutely right about everything he said. We only had one filler too (microwave, lol). That said - there are quite a few custom face frames and that's where we ran into problems. The guy that we ordered from didn't change the face frames when placing the order so many of them had to be reordered (at his expense but delayed us quite a bit). I will say that he was very patient although I know he was frustrated because it was a very large custom order. We did not just the kitchen but a butler pantry, built in china hutch, master bath and four cabinets on either side of the fireplace. The quality is great but definitely get a good installer. Especially if you go with inset. The doors need to be done accurately. We assembled ours but had our builders cabinet guy put the doors on and install them. It was a mistake for us to build them before putting the doors on for inset cabinets. Lesson learned but I hope not to do this again for a very long time!


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I don't have any more pics but will take one tomorrow and upload it. I too thought it was really inexpensive when he quoted it.

I think the bottom is clearcoat. I added the light rail so I never see the underside. The inside is clearcoat and really nice IMO.

If you want a classic soft white, go with the frosty white. It is definitely white, not really even that creamy. The designer white was described by the guy at the CJ as stark white if I recall correctly. He said that frosty white was by far his best selling white. I had my trim paint for the whole house matched to frosty white and I don't think anyone would call it anything other than white (I wouldn't even call it creamy white).


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Thank you for posting your photos Lexmomof3! Beautiful kitchen!

Can you detail a little bit about the mistake regarding the doors on the inset cabinets? Should we build the cabinet, install the door, then label and remove the door before install?

Would you mind sharing some close up photos of the base cabinets as I wait for my color samples from CJ!

This post was edited by jhophop on Mon, May 5, 14 at 21:29


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The holes for the door hardware (hinges) should be drilled into the back of the faceframe before assembling the cabinets. Since we didn't do this, the cabinet installer that put them on for us had to basically get inside as best as he could to drill the holes for hardware. This is only a problem when doing hidden hinges for inset doors.

I will do my best to post more pics tomorrow.


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jhophop, I posted a link showing how inset hinges should be installed before the cabinets are assembled. There are several more part of the series on inset hinges.

Lexmomof3, thanks for taking the time to take and post a close up picture of the hood. Curious, is it all wood or wood and drywall? Did you buy the light rail and crown from the CJ? Where is the microwave?

I'll probably end up ordering a raised panel door. Just need to decide what panel and framing bead that I'll go with. I think that I'll have to order a larger sample of the frosty and designer whites before I make a decision.

I love the trim detail in your house.

Here is a link that might be useful: Installing Inset Hinges on Conestoga Cabinets


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I can add a bit on the inset doors and hinges.
Due to the nature of inset hinge, it is much much easier to measure, align, mark, drill, attach the inset hinge mechanism BEFORE the cabinet is assembled. Luckily Brian Long from Cabinet Joint had a video which mentioned this and it saved me all sorts of time and hassle (had I tried to install hinge post cabinet build). Thanks BL from CJ!

If you notice on the pic, there is less room to maneuver with Blum inset hinges due to the nature if how it attaches. The thing I would REALLY recommend is to buy a digital caliper (harbor freight see link) to do your measurements and marking for hinge locations, etc.

How I did hinges was this: Your conestoga doors come with pre drilled hole/cups for the one half of the hinge. The other half of the hinge gets connected to the cabinet inside frame with 2 screws. A few tips: ... You must use some sort of guide or drill bit stop so you don't drill all the way through your face frame and create a hole on the front of your beautiful cabinet. It helps to angle the screw a bit to match the angle of the Blum hinge plate (look at the hinge and you will understand). Lastly, when you mark your holes for drilling, don't mark all the way into the u shaped hinge hole pocket, back your mark off a bit to give space for the screw shaft to fit in the and not push your hinge plate out of position when tightening.
I think BL gives the actual measurent for hinge placement but I measured it to be something like 3.08 inches from frame edge to center of hinge (measure to the center of the door hole and add 1/32 for GAP between door and frame. If I am not mistaken it comes out to 3.08 (but confirm on your own cabinet.
The digital caliper really helps for getting these exact.

Conestoga inset door and frames are stamped with a number because they make the door and frames together so they are an exact match.

Here is a link that might be useful: Digital caliper


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Regarding the color and finish of the cabinet (frosty white, etc). To me, the Frosty White looks plain white (even when I put it up against my "brilliant white" house trim. The Designer white seems to be a more brilliant white type with maybe a more blue undertone (if I am describing that right) whereby the Frosty White (while still white) has a warmer undertone. As I am looking at all the Frosty White cabinets, without designer white to compare them to- they look regular white to me... But I know we chose the Frosty because it had a slightly creamier tone to it. We ordered a box of paint wood samples from Northern Granite and Cabinetry (just out a deposit down which you get back when you return them)... And that worked well. We then ordered a "sample" door which we thought we might use in our plan anyway (I think garbage can pullout). Unfortunately, we changed from overlay to inset after we got the sample, so we have this really nice frosty white 18" full overlay door if anyone needs one for cheap ...lol

Regarding the cabinet bottoms and the finish- mine are unfinished furniture grade wood so they still look nice. You could probably brush them with a clear polyurethane if you wanted. Nobody will ever see them though.

One upgrade I would recommend though is to order the solid wood shelves. We only had a couple since most of our cabinets we sourced with double rollout trays. But the solid wood shelf just seems like a cheap but good upgrade. Not necessary though.

One more thing with the inset setup is you will need to run to home dept and buy some 3/4 wood stock for the mounting blocks for your drawer slides. These are not provided. Easy to do though. I bought 1 x 2 select pine from HD and cut to something like 6" long to attach the front edge if blum drawer glides to. You will need to glue and nail (or screw this block inside the cab). I think CJ shows this also In a drawer slides video.

A final thing I did to strengthen my cabinet bottoms (last thing you want is your sink can floor bending down under weight or wear after a coupe years) is to run a bead of clear hot glue under the cabinet floor where it meets the face frame. It won't be seen by anyone as it's hidden inset the front edge if the face frame and it gives support across the whole front bottom edge if you are stacking heavy pans (or a microwave in a micro cabinet)

Hope some of this helps. You might be able to see the glue (and the unfinished cab bottom) in the picture.


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goodguy2k2k, Thanks for the information on the two whites and the bottom of the upper cabinet. I might be interested in your 18" full overlay door. You can pm if you want. I'm in the Chicago are. This way I can get a better idea what frosty white looks like in a larger sample.


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lexmomof3, You mentioned that you did your master bath cabinets. Did you do the same as the kitchen or something different? Sorry for the many questions,


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Here's our linen closet in crystal white with the madison door style. A nice detail to add is the 'elegant arch bottom rail'. I'm still figuring out placement of upper handles, hence the temporary ribbon handle.

We also used the same color but different door style in the kitchen and pantry. I really like the color in the pantry but not so much in the kitchen. In hindsight, I would have gone with a different color. (Look up Breezygirl's kitchen; I would have gone with that kind of white). We have Torquay countertops and island, a skylight and white ceilings. It was all very blah but eventually a bold backsplash drew the eye away :)

Pantry:


At the blah stage:

With bold backsplash:

Good luck!


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Master bath is the same. Micro is in a butler pantry. I'll take pics this afternoon when I get home from work.
I agree with good guy on upgrading shelves. Love the solid wood shelves.
Regarding frosty white vs designer white - definitely cool bluish undertone. Frosty is a warmer white but definitely white.


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Master bath is the same. Micro is in a butler pantry. I'll take pics this afternoon when I get home from work.
I agree with good guy on upgrading shelves. Love the solid wood shelves.
Regarding frosty white vs designer white - definitely cool bluish undertone. Frosty is a warmer white but definitely white.


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oldbat2be, Is your range hood an actual range hood cabinet or a cabinet made to look like a range hood? Thanks

I've posted a picture of the frosty and designer samples with the colonial stained cherry in the middle. Not sure if I'm going with an all white or white in on perimeter and a stained on the peninsula.Please note that the tile that's lying on is for the master bath, not the kitchen.


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Aries61, is the Frosty on both sides or is the left side slightly more creamy and the right sides is whiter? I love the combination of the two whites with the darker door. The white shade is so nice. I wish I had room for an island. I wish I had a handy husband and the two of us would want to work together to give me a gorgeous kitchen.


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I need to see both whites in person as they both look so nice and neither is too creamy.


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aries61 - No, not a cabinet. DH made a custom box which he secured to the ceiling joists and to which the hood was mounted. Then, we framed on the outside with custom panels and on the inside upper with custom stainless steel surround.


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oldbat2be, thanks for the information. DH did a nice job.


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I'm sorry for all of the posts but I have never figured out how to post multiple pics in one post.


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My master vanity. DH has a similar one.


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butler pantry - there is a trash can in the left bottom cabinet. My only mistake in placing this order was not specifying that the interior of the microwave cabinet be finished. In my defense, I thought when I specified that the microwave cabinet be "finished", I assumed that it would be clear that any exposed part of the cabinet should be finished but apparently not. I will eventually get around to painting it myself.


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china cabinet - sorry it's sideways. The pic isn't on my computer until I post it here.


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Lexmomof3, just beautiful! I love the cabinets and the white finish chosen as well as the design.


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lynn2006, in my picture, frosty white is on the left and designer white is on the right. I don't know if you saw, but capecg is starting to install her Conestoga inset cabinets tomorrow. I posted the link to the thread.

Lexmomof3, very nice and thanks for the added pictures. It appreciated. Looks like you did the microwave shelf. What's the width of the cabinet? I'm still trying to decide if I should go with the microwave shelf cabinet or the built-in microwave cabinet. I wish I could get a hood like yours for $600.00

Here is a link that might be useful: capecg install starts tomorrow.


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Lexmomof3, returning the favor for posting the added pictures by rotating the two that posted sideways.


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Lexmomof3, returning the favor for posting the added pictures by rotating the two that posted sideways.


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Aries61, thank you for letting me know which white is which! Thank you for the link to capecg installs tomorrow!


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Thanks for rotating and thanks Aries and Lynn for the compliments. I did the design myself and had a lot of custom pieces, not just sizes but omitted a drawer in the corner cabinet, split a single drawer into two top drawers in the 36" drawer bases, custom depth on china hutch, etc. It gave me just the look and functionality I wanted but made the order complicated. Regarding the hood, I too was surprised with what he charged for building the hood. It is all plywood.

The micro shelf is 30" wide.


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UPDATE: After writing my extensive message below, I found out something I wish I would have known ahead of time and was not pleased with my Conestoga re seller for not making known earlier. You can order a custom made face frame for microcabinet to your exact cut out size. Agh..This makes sense now because most things are customizable but I know I was told before ordering that I could not change the micro cab and I would just have to use fillers and/or cut the opening to size. Now should I buy a new face frame that will be exact or try to pay someone to cut the one I have perfectly, I doubt it will look right if I have it cut? Frustrating to say the least.

aries61 - From what I understand the shelf (on the microwave shelf cab) can be removed if you don't need it. I went with the microwave cabinet (not the shelf version). Coming from on over-the-range microwave, we decided we did not need such a large microwave after all and went with the Panasonic Genius Prestige 1.2 CF model. One of my only disappointments with Conestoga options was the microwave cabinet choices I'll explain what i mean:

We ordered a 24" microwave cabinet because that fit with our design and space. Unfortunately, that limits you microwave choice to a 1.2 cu ft micro or less due to the width and fit of standard micro sizes and the construction of Conestoga cabinets.

With a 24" inch wide cabinet, you have to leave at least 1.5 inches on each side for face frame. So the maximum size of your microwave has to be 3" less than the width of your cabinet. In our case, the max microwave width we could go with is 21". Due to the aspect ratio of microwave design, it is almost impossible to find any microwave larger than 1.2 cu ft which is less than 21" wide. This is not a problem as we are actually very pleased with the Panasonic look and function and size (family of 5).

My largest concern was that microwave look built-in and fit the opening without gaps around it. I still have not put together the micro cab as I need to cut or remove the side filler so I can achieve this made-to-fit look. I hope it works and I will provide pics. But I wanted to also maybe help someone looking at this microcab option.

We ordered our micro cab 18" deep by 24" wide (the one without the shelf). You will probably need at least 18 deep as most microwaves need close to that in depth. Taking into account the plug, I installed a recessed receptacle in the micro cab to be hidden behind the microwave on the right side where the microwave is less deep.

The thing about Conestoga microwave cabinets which I was a bit frustrated with (and I didn't understand until I got it) was the opening size for the microwave is (with included filler) 18" wide x 15.5" high. The only microwave on the market (at least in the US) that is 15" high and less than 21" wide is the LG Pizza Oven Microwave combo. Due to this being and oven also, it generates alot of heat that needs to be vented, which would not work in this cabinet due to 24" width prevents using a trim kit (which are only sold in 27" widths) - therefore convection micros are out unless you go with a 27" wide microcabinet (which I would recommend if you can fit it, as 27" allows so many more choices for microwaves and trim kits, etc).

So Conestoga ships the microcabinet with a 18" wide opening (essentially the 1.5 inch face frame with an extra 1.5 inch filler on each side which they say you can trim to size). The BIG problem with how Conestoga does this the cabinet frame is finished very nicely (absolutely smooth face frame finish with no visible seam for filler). IF you trim this, you better do a perfect job because you will probably not find a 24" trim kit to cover your cut if it is not perfect (unless you have one custom made). Actually I did find only 1 microwave that had a 24" trim kit option (See link) but to make it fit a 24" trim kit, the micro is .9 cuft and lacked some key features and was $200 more than comparable ones.

So to make a long story longer, even if I can trim the sides of the opening perfectly and make them look "ok", There are no microwaves 15.5" high (and only 21" wide). Most are 12.25" high or so. So I am forced to use a filler piece above the microwave. Hopefully it all works out and does not look bad.

Conestoga should really reconsider their microwave cab opening size to conform to what is actually available on the market. Mine may end up looking fine but it is so much more hassle to have to customize the cabinet yourself rather than having Conestoga re-engineer their opening. Maybe I am asking too much for a RTA cabinet? There is no 21" wide microwave that is 15.5" inches high. And there are almost no trim kits 24" wide. So a 24" inch micro cabinet with a 15.5" opening height is almost worthless. Note: I think cabinets taller than 30" have a 15.5" micro opening size. 30" cabs have a smaller opening?

Lesson with Conestoga is: If you want a tight fit (built in look for your micro cab) make sure your micro cabinet is at least 27" wide (or be prepared for getting a carpenter to trim it and touch up paint, filler on the top edge, etc). Also, buy your microwave before you order and know the trim kit sizes and options. If you don't mind a gap, then this is all a moot point.

I am going to attempt to remove the added in side filler strips and see how it looks. If I am lucky, they will come out cleanly and look like a finished edge. I am not hopeful because Conestoga painted and finished the fronts so well. Picture shows back of frame and how they tacked in filler piece (front is so well finished/painted you cant tell it is even there). You can see edge of it in my pic. I hope it comes out cleanly but front paint may look cracked, etc. fingers crossed (pic is sideways, filler comes on the side of opening).

Maybe my fears are unfounded and I will update how it turns out. Hopefully this helps someone with their planning.

Check closely the opening size based upon your cabinet height, etc. Good luck.

Here is a link that might be useful: Summit Microwave

This post was edited by goodguy2k2k on Wed, May 7, 14 at 15:00


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goodguy2k2k, thanks for all your helpful information. Sorry for all the questions, but don't want to make a wrong decision which I probably will still make. I will probably be going with a 30" wide microwave cabinet. I was thinking about a 27" one, but then that throws off the symmetry of the wall cabinets on either side of the window which I'm trying not to do. In the picture, I'll be replacing the upper cabinet on the far left with the microwave cabinet.

I'm still trying to figure out with what I'm doing with the wood range hood. Thinking about maybe order a deeper wall cabinet with a valance attached to be used as a range hood. I love the look of Lexmomof3 range hood, but my kitchen is not that large. I still can't believe what she paid for it.


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There are many pre-made wood hood options. Good wood hoods and I'm sure you will find many.

We were looking for a 3 panel wood flat angled hood. All of the pre-made ones had a "behind the times" style to them that didn't really fit. So we are forced to get the parts and piece one together ourselves (if we wanted the exact paint match/sheen of our cabinets). Which involved ordering painted parts, to be partially cut and assembled locally to get the look and finish we wanted.

Note on the inset cabinets: We opted for 14" deep wall cabinets since the inset would lose a portion of interior storage area (and just because we could). With Conestoga, almost anything is customizable all the way down to the face frame lengths and widths of each rail and stile.

Because of the ability to customize, we decided to go with an old arts and crafts detail of extending some of the face frame stiles (side frame) to the floor to sort of get a foot/furniture look without tacking on an inappropriate style foot after the fact (see example pics of what I am talking about, not our kitchen but an example of the look - there are some tricks to installing this style though on imperfect floors, you cant just shim the cabs unless you want to use a molding at bottom and lose the clean cut look, you have to scribe the actual cabinet level, not as simple). There are many ways of getting a furniture foot look (i.e. adding and elegant arch valance piece to fit into the toekick area like oldbat2be showed in her Linen Closet posting -or- adding feet after the fact).


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I'm loving all the photos and Conestoga experience all on one thread!

Sorry if I'm taking away from the OP, but I notice several pics showing finished panel ends. I heard planning/ordering with this detailing on inset cabinets can be tricky to measure/install and are pricey. Our "quirky" sized kitchen will have 7 exposures cabinet sides and I love any information on inset looking finished end panels. Did they cost a lot, how did you measure and was assembly/install a bear?


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goodguy2k2k, sorry to hear that you could have changed the micro opening and was told you couldn't. That's why I ask so many questions. Trying to make the best decisions with all the information that I can gather.

I'm not thrilled with the wood hood offerings that Conestoga has. I'm surprise that they don't do their own hoods, but are outsourced by Omega National Products and Stanisci.

jhophop, The paneled ends are actually a frame and a door that you order separately. The only other thing is that you need to do is a custom frame for the cabinet so the end is extended so you can tuck the side frame into the back of the front frame. If you're doing full overlay, the ends are one piece.

They're really not that expensive, I priced out some cabinets a couple of months ago before I decided to make changes and these are the prices that I got for a base end panel and peninsula back: The side panel was $70.24 for a 24"x34.5" frame and $83.94 for the door which totals $154.88, the peninsula panel was $119.57 for a 54"x34.5" 3 door frame and the doors were $70.65 ea which totals $331.52. This was for painted with a TW-10 door which is one of their least expensive door. Hope this helps.


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RE: Anyone have Conestoga Cabinets in Crystal White or Chesapeake

Was not happy with the Microcabinet option Conestoga came up with. Hence, but your micro ahead of time and get a custom frame to match it (with a bit of clearance to fit micro through the opening - note: hard to describe, but if you make the opening too perfectly tight to the micro specs, you may find it hard to get micro in. You must consider the lip on the front edge of cabinet as it drops to the cabinet floor. There is a slight drop once you get past the face frame into the cabinet.you must get your opening sized to the microwave including the micro feet.

Couple points that may be helpful:
Conestoga can take parts you source from a third party and finish them at their factory. I purchased some island posts from Osborne Wood Products and sent them to Conestoga. They painted them and shipped them back to me. It is not cheap to do it that way but it worked for us because I wanted the posts to match exactly. you could do the same thing with a hood if you found one elsewhere. For my hood, I designed on and am having Conestoga supply the painted pieces which I will assemble (fingers crossed). IMO, Conestoga has poor hood choices (many look cheap and out of date). So the hood and island posts were the only thing I sourced outside of Conestoga.

For paneled ends: I don't have mine assembled yet so i cant show exactly the application but I have attached a picture of the exact island I am constructing. You will notice the side panels are NOT inset doors with frames. I was told by multiple dealers "you MUST use inset doors and frames as side panels or it wont look right" - I didn't listen to that advice because I wanted the clean look of a one piece side panel.
There were alot of calculations necessary to get the side panels right.
Couple key points here: You can hide the side panel edge by getting a custom face frame and extending the stile (on the side where you are placing the side panel) enough to cover the side panel (so you don't see the seam of the panel from the front but from the side). I know some will say extend the stile by 3/4" to cover the exact thickness of the side panel. Rick from Cabinet Authority recommended going a bit more (not sure of the exact amount but maybe a 32nd more than 3/4" on the stile extension). What that does is it gives you a bit of wiggle room if the edges aren't perfect upon alignment. You can basically shim the side panel out a touch and attach so you have a perfectly aligned edge.

Our island took quite a bit of thought to figure out how to make it happen with Conestoga parts (custom panels,fillers, etc) so I am hoping everything lines up right when we start to connect it all. The panels were not cheap but I think will be worth it in the end.

We did go with the Stockbridge door style for all the decorative panels as it was a bit cheaper and since it is the exact same appearance from the front, we felt it an Ok compromise since once assembled, you could never know the difference.

I would question whether the "Inset side panel is necessary" contention (I may be singing a different tune after I put the island together).

Couple final points. You can order the height of the decorative panel bottom rails to be higher (so the line of the rail matches with the line of the doors on your cabinets). You may need to lean on Rick at Cab Authority (or BL from Cab Joint) for help with this as it takes some thought (add 1/32 for door spacing, etc).

I will update with pictures as my island goes together. Wish me luck.


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RE: Anyone have Conestoga Cabinets in Crystal White or Chesapeake

goodguy2k2k, That's for all the helpful information especially buying from another source and sending to Conestoga to finish.

I do wish you luck with your island, but I don't think you'll need it. I've attached a picture of the island that romy718(which is inset) posted which shows the same as you're doing with the ends.

I do agree with you about Conestoga hood choices, but really haven't found any from any other sources that I really care for except for one that Medallion Cabinets has one. This is the response that I received from CA about wood hoods "People have created all sorts of wood hoods from our cabinets, valances and other products".

I did find out something interesting. You can get the exposed bottoms of the uppers clear coated, but that is an option that I was told would run about $10 for a 30" wide upper which I don't think is that bad.

I do think that I'll be going with designer white. Just need to figure out the rest and then go for it. I'll be doing a raised panel door instead of a flat/shaker panel. Just need to decide on the framing bead/panel raise.


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Aries, I think you are making a good choice with designer white.
I have attached a pic of the difference between a "brilliant white" (Home Depot Behr paint color) on the shown door jamb -and- my refrig cab in frosty white (refrig can just installed today so not finished).

But I will say, in the picture, the frosty white may look a little more creamy than it would in a normal situation as the light may have played a part. But it may help to show the creamyist possible scenario with frosty white.

I will say, the way I did this creates a lot of detail work (joining cabs, scribing can bottoms to make up for level, attaching toe board backers, toe boards, measuring everything twice, making sure things are joined together well, etc).

So what I am saying is: If assembling conestoga cabinets is a medium task, joining cabs, leveling, installing, etc. is definitely advanced work for a pro installer -or- a very handy person with tools and patience. In other words, it is a decent amount if work to get it right. But I am doing it a hard way from custom face frame stiles (which prevents me from shimming) and requires me to scribe cabinet bottom edges to get level.
Lots of measuring, testing, removing, testing again, etc.

Also of note, inset conestoga requires some 3/4 inch blocking to be installed to attach drawer slides (and door stops in some cabs).

Moving and setting cabs can take some assistance (especially if you join them prior to moving into place).

Also: if you don't have a very high ceiling next to your kitchen, a refrig (or other tall cabinet) can will need to have some pieces cut off back corners to be able to stand it up under the celing. Nobody wil see the pie cuts though.

I was lucky to have a 2 story family room where I am doing my assembly. I stand the refrig cab up in the Family Room and then slide it into the kitchen area. It is a big cab and I moved it myself but it was a but if a chore to stand under it and basically carry it.


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Goodguy2K2K, Thank you for showing us how creamy the Frosty White is. So if someone wants creamy, go with Frosty White. If someone wants more white, go with Designer White.


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Sure. I would say tht the picture above is about as creamy as it is ever going to look. It was taken under LED lights. After I stepped back and compared what I actually saw with the picture, I thought the Frosty White didn't look as "Creamy" as the picture. But, it definitely is different than a "Designer" type white.
Wouldn't want anyone to buy Frosty White thinking they are getting a stark white and be dissapointed under lighting conditions that really showed the "creamy" aspects of it.
We chose Frosty White because we wanted white but a white that had a bit of warmth to it. In most conditions, without a "Designer" type white right next to it, Frosty White will look like regular white to most people.


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goodguy2k2k, you're a wealth of knowledge. Thanks for the advice on the tall cabinets. I won't have any tall cabinets in my plan. For my fridge, I'm doing 3/4 painted plywood ends with a deep cabinet above the fridge.

What hood insert are you going with?

I recommend for anyone choosing Conestoga and wanting white, order some samples so you can see what they actually look like. Well worth the small investment to be happy with your cabinets. If I get a chance I'll try to take a picture of the various whites next to each other so you can see the differences. If I can I'll do that within the next couple of days.


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Thanks aries61. Hopefully I can learn some things from those who have gone through this already (oldbat2be is great) and help those starting the process.

There is a lot to know and maybe one hint can save someone a bit of hassle.

Regarding your fridge: We also did a deep cabinet above frig (but as a part of a complete refrig cabinet from Conestoga). I also considered doing a separate cabinet with side panel. If I recall, the reason I went with the full cabinet is to get the seamless extended stile on the right hand side (which I scribed to the wall) and to avoid a gap between wall and Frig side. You could put together a Cabinet and sides (maybe a filler only on one side) but you will get the seams, which are probably not that bad. The disadvantage with going with Conestogas refrig cabinet is you have to stick with their frig opening size of ..I think 72" - 74" high...which means you will have a gap above the frig of 2" - 4". Which you could fill with a fill strip I guess. Perhaps one of those new slightly taller refrigerators would fit nicely? Samsung?

We were trying to get as close to a built in look using a standard 36' wide refrigerator (need to buy a new frig sometime soon). The conestoga frig cabinet is 30" deep and comes out to the edge of the refrigerator box (not the doors, just the box) And It works well and allows the doors to clear upon opening. The above refrig cabinet is huge and should be fun to watch my wife get a stepladder to gain access to the rear portion. We will probably just store less frequently used items back there.

I have 3 of the 15 cabinets installed as of now. Took my time the last couple days installing the Refrig cabinet. Since it is the first corner cabinet, it had to be set right and leveled, etc. It too some doing but since everything would depend upon that one, I had to get it right.

Maybe I will do a separate post on my challenges doing so, but since I wanted to go with the extended stile (to the floor) look with not floor moldings - i could not just shim the cabinets up. It necessitated having to scribe (trim off the back bottom edges of the cabinets) A real pain to measure, test, measure again, test on and on. But I got the frig cabinet perfect and last night installed the 2 cabinets just to the left of it.

I would definitely recommend laying adjacent cabinets on their back on a level floor and (using various thicknesses of plywood) joining them all together (the adjacent cabinet run) as one big cabinet and then setting in place and installing. It also worked well for me because of the design I ended up with they were supposed to look like one joined cabinet anyway.

To join these together, I used plywood, GRK panhead screws (which I would definitely recommend) for inside the boxes and GRK Trim screws (along with cabinet clamps) to join through the face frames (see pictures). I layered up plywood between the cabinets in four side corners before screwing through them. This way, you aren't dependent upon just the face frames for holing together. The cabs together become one solid unit that prevent face frame movement/separation when the whole thing is moved.

We actually had an installer lined up to do the job but his schedule changed. I was forced to start the install myself. I am actually glad I did. Installers would have come in and tried to rush through the job to get it done quickly and ended up shimming, and slapping shoe molding on, etc. That would have been done quickly (good) but maybe not the way I really wanted. It is more detail work than I expected and I am probably being anal about it - but hopefully it all turns out ok.

There are probably 100 ways to do this but just wanted to share what seems to be working for me.

This post was edited by goodguy2k2k on Mon, May 12, 14 at 10:11


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Another pic of cabinets joined through cabinet box (with layered various widths of plywood) for structural rigidity and through face frame with GRK trim screws (to keep frames tight together). I may fill the face frame holes after the fact if they appear too noticeable but I am thinking the hinges will hide them.

Important to predrill the face frame holes a bit smaller than the screw shank diameter (I also used wax on the screw) to prevent cracking face frame.

Note on any plywood spacers: If you leave a gap with spacer that is not wide enough, you will suck the cabinets together when screwed and it will pull your face frame seam apart. Too fat a spacer, and you will be forcing your face frame seam apart. Lesson is to have the exact width of spacer pieces before you screw them together. This may necessitate using a 1/4" piece of plywood and a wood shim (you drill through). I didn't like shims because they are so thin and not very structurally sound.

I bought various thicknesses of plywood (1/4" & 1/2", underlayment (5mm) and even some thinner pressboard, and cut about 20 squares to use when joining cabinets and also attaching to wall. You need to use these fillers (or a ledgerboard ..basically a filler) behind wall cabinets on Conestoga due to the small gap between wall and cab back - or else you will suck your cabinet back to the wall and pull it out of your cab box (not good).

This post was edited by goodguy2k2k on Mon, May 12, 14 at 10:08


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Such great information and suggestions! Still waiting on my various white samples to arrive, so I'm still at the very beginning but am swooning at all the beautiful kitchens and reading all the great suggestions!

I was just planning on ordering a basic wood hood with shelf (style Q) from Conestoga in the chosen finished color. Any suggestions on where I could find less costly options or more choices for wood hoods would be great! I'm surprised to hear that Conestoga will paint a hood purchased elsewhere to match....great tip.


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RE: Anyone have Conestoga Cabinets in Crystal White or Chesapeake

We have the Frosty White, which looked pretty white until we painted the baseboard and molding BM white semi and now it looks a little yellow.

We ordered through The Cabinet Joint. I cannot say enough good things about Brian and his patience, definitely recommend him. The cabinets are also beautiful, and the granite company we used, who also sells cabinets, commented on the cabinets. All visitors also comment. Assembly was pretty easy once one cabinet is done, and the online videos provided by Brian are very helpful.

I estimate we saved at least a 1/3 of the cost of other cabinets. Extremely happy with this decision.


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I'm posting some of the whites next to each other. Sorry the picture isn't better but, it's cloudy and rainy this morning when I took the picture.

From the far left, Chesapeake(popular, but really not in the white family), upper left - Antique White, upper right - Crystal White, lower left - Frosty White and lower right - Designer White

Had incorrect picture. Posted corrected picture.

This post was edited by aries61 on Fri, May 16, 14 at 8:39


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From these pictures, I like both the Frosty White and the Designer White. It would depend on the granite chosen to which white is best for the kitchen as well as the lighting.

Thank you Aeries61!


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goodguy2k2k, curious how the kitchen progressing? Any other pictures to share. Haven't seen anything from you.

The hood is my last piece that I'm trying to figure out before I place my order for Conestoga Cabinets.


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Beware Medallion does not honor their warranty! We purchased $18,000 of cabinets from them. Not one single cabinet out of the box is good. Open miters on every door & drawer front, cracks all over the place gaps inside the cabinets, and the stacked cabinets don't match up at all. The range hood is cracked and scratched so badly we didn't even take it out of the box all the way. They are only offering us $5,000 credit towards a new set of cabinets. #medallionfailsoncraftmanship


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