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- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 17:00
| I have always thought Garrison colonials were a bit odd. Is the overhang someone's idea of function or aesthetics? |
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| I don't know what a tract house is, so I'm guessing here based on a check of wikipedia. It seems to be any kind of mass produced housing in the suburbs?? Are we interested in a particular era of tract houses (i.e. 1959 to 1969)? Or a particular style, like the ones Pal has shown? Sorry, I'll need a little guidance here. |
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- Posted by doggonegardener (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 18:03
| Great, that's what we have here. A lot of the "split level" styles especially. Very helpful. Time to start looking at stuff. Ne |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 19:57
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- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 20:07
| Palimpsest, Thanks, I never realized how old Garrison style was. I don't think I've ever seen these old examples... to me, Garrison was very must tract style. I like it a little more now .... |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 21:23
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| Perfect examples. You're showing a good spectrum of the most popular types of houses. Are you going to post the official DAT thread? |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 21:43
| I was thinking of holding off while the Pink Thread was still active, continuing in Pt II. If threads can be compared to fables, the pink thread seems to be the tortoise from "The Tortoise and the Hare"--it will also give people some time to think of how they want to approach their projects. |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 22:02
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 22:23
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| Thanks, Palimpsest. When we hadn't heard from you, I started doing research. But while I found lots of information on 1960s kitchens, I couldn't find stuff specifically on tract homes. So I would have been swimming on this one if I had to construct the post. |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 22:55
| I was away with no internet access from Friday until this afternoon. The larger houses in the first post are probably what we should be considering, and these would have been smallish kitchen + dining area adjacent, and contemporary inside with some kind of "traditional" or colonial revival exterior. I got a little side tracked with the smaller Long Island houses which would have had the tiny BW kitchen or the GE integrated style kitchen I posted. (And these include laundry). I think we could decide which type of house(s) above would be best for the thread and I May be able to post the floorplan just to give one an idea of what it started out as. Not that I expect floorplans but just so we know what we are working with. In the mean time we can see what happens with the pink II thread and then move on with the 1960s tract house thread. |
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| My sister lived in a Bowie, MD Levitt-built house from 1984 to about 1992. We grew up in the Bowie area while these houses were being built. There was a real stampede into the development which was about 10 miles futher away from DC than we lived. Many of my friends moved there so I was very familiar with many of the floor plans/kitchens. Sister's house was built early 1960s and still had the original metal kitchen cabinets when she moved in. The kitchen was a very small U shape with the DR behind the range wall and the equally small FR open beyond the peninsula-with-cabinets-over on the other side. The bottom of the U had the sink overlooking the back yard. The "open" end of the U housed the fridge and some cabinets. As small as it was, the kitchen was very easy to work in and when she remodeled she did not extend the kitchen into the FR even though she added a much larger FR along the back of the house. She replaced all cabinets, counters and appliances but kept the same arrangement, with the exception of the cabs over the peninsula. Removing them opened the space into the adjacent FR and improved cabinets added storage lost from those penisula top cabinets. Just saying - those Bowie tract houses were work horses! |
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| There are many of the same designs in my area and I live (not in a Levitt) but a late 50's ranch. Houses are all custom built from many eras and of a wide range of sizes...1000 to way over 5000 sq ft. The old homes are bought up for property next to each other to build the huge mansions cropping up. Of interest to me is the front doors shown which are not facing the front. Why did they do this? Is it more common in the cold areas of the country? Keeping the elements from dominating an entry? Plus they only have a "stoop". My house has this oddity and has been a pain to come up with welcoming walkway. Took me 3 years to be creative enough in figuring one out. Love seeing these. Thanks for posting. I would love to see the original layouts too. May go searching. |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Mon, Jan 9, 12 at 10:51
| Regarding the entries. There was a period of time when the emphasis on the automobile and it's integration to the house was relatively new, and there was an orientation of the entry toward the garage or driveway. You can see as time went by and the houses took on a more "traditional" facade that the entry was returned to its dominant location, creating the more formal sense of entry. However the idea Stuck and most people if there is a secondary entrance to the house will use that rather than the formal front door. Early on some of these houses had attached garages but you still had to go outside and then into the house. When house shopping I looked at two houses built in the mid-seventies where the garage was completely within the footprint of the house but there was Still no internal connecting door. |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Mon, Jan 9, 12 at 14:29
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| I wouldn't restrict the DAT project house too much--we haven't done that with the Tudor or Queen Anne styles, and had good results there. Not everybody has a Levittown, but much of the country has '60s tract homes, particularly the ranch examples above with the first garage snouts. To me, that last house looks too traditional and colonial. You might even mistake it for a '20s house if you looked quickly, and you might miss the minimalism of ornament that marked this era. I like your interior GIL shot. It shows how these houses were modest but comfortable, had fairly low ceilings compared to some earlier eras, but also maintained a bit of traditionalism and "pretty" about them. Everyone thinks the '60s was the era of MCM, but of course that term didn't even exist then, and most houses had modern elements but were very far from modern. |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Mon, Jan 9, 12 at 16:48
| Oh, I agree about the exterior Marcolo. I mean keeping a Floor Plan like that in mind when thinking about the project, but I wasn't very clear. Remember that Levitt was one of the originators of the varied exterior. The floorplan would be nearly identical while the exterior was offered in multiple styles, and the house merely turned or even just "wrapped" with the exterior details. The interiors would have looked like the ones I pictured. The full pig snout where the garage sits in front of the house and is almost always a 2-car garage, and the front door is more than halfway back the lot and distinctly to the side is more of a post 1980s style. This is when they first returned to a very elaborate entry with separate roofline, large window, perhaps double height, because the entry was so secondary to the large garage that it had to be clearly identified. |
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- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Mon, Jan 9, 12 at 18:47
| When are we starting the new DAT thread? People can still post on the pink thread (along with the other old ones) right? Or is the 'recycled kitchen' thread what we're doing this week? Sorry, if I seem impatient (LOL) but I'm hoping to get to French kitchens, before the end of the month! :)
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| When I think of 1960s tract homes, I think "ranch." Of course, I'm in California, and there's a reason the ranch home is called a "California Ranch" elsewhere in the country. Mayby someone else in CA can comment, but I haven't see much at all of the more colonial style. I've seen more mediterranean style in more recent housing developments (1990s onward); not sure if those came into play in the the 1960s. |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Mon, Jan 9, 12 at 19:38
| Here is a one story or "ranch" from the Levittown line-up. However, one of their "ranch" houses, was a Cape Cod that was detailed differently on the outside. I do want to Emphasize Again: the Floor Plans of these development houses were Identical for as many as Five Exterior Appearances. So, in the Northeast the typical Exterior may be more likely to be "Cape Cod" or "Colonial Revival", it's likely the same house as your midwestern/western "Ranch" or "Spanish Revival". |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Mon, Jan 9, 12 at 19:54
| We are not really developing floor plans for the Design Arounds, we are going to be designing kitchens essentially for a "contemporary, minimal detail" interior--with an exterior that may vary from "Colonial Revival", "French", "Mock Tudor", "Modern", "Spanish Revival" or "Ranch". In the East ranch and modern are fairly synonymous, although the ranch is a softer modern than modern/MCM, MCM being a post 2000 designation. |
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Tue, Jan 10, 12 at 0:45
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| Here's a kitchen from another kind of ranch house--an Alcoa Aluminum house. The cabs are restored but original.
Been dying to post it, but didn't want to taint the DAT thread itself. Which, I agree, we should kind of get started on. |
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| Thanks for sharing the info on "hidden side door". Very interesting and a difficult location to change. At least I have a garage that sits back and an outside entry..even if it can't be seen. |
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- Posted by Capegirl05 (My Page) on Sat, Jan 14, 12 at 22:46
| I am really enjoying this thread...my late mother (who had a great sense of humor) used to refer to the Levittown Country Clubbers as a "Splanch" (Split Ranch)...still makes me laugh! Capegirl |
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- Posted by cloud_swift (My Page) on Wed, Jan 18, 12 at 16:15
| In California in the 1960s, some tracts were similar to those already posted on this thread, but there were also tracts of very MCM modern houses - Eichler in the San Francisco Bay area and other parts of California and very similar Streng house is Sacramento. On objective of the developers was to produce larger houses for the money by saving costs in areas that they felt were less important. Therefore, many of these are on slab foundations with low slope or flat roofs - the ceiling is the underside of the roof. No attic or crawl space which makes remodeling more challenging. In their original state, they brought the outside in with large windows facing back and sometimes side yards. Some also had atrium spaces. For privacy, they had no windows or only high windows for ventilation on the front. They often have pretty nice sized kitchens. They often used brick, stone and wood for an organic modern rather than a shiny lacquered or metal version of modern. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Examples of some Eichler houses.
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- Posted by palimpsest (My Page) on Wed, Jan 18, 12 at 17:25
| These are great. I look at the various Eichler websites periodically. We stayed away from the MCM Modern house with the strong identities, such as the Eichlers, because they are rare in many areas: Almost all the pure modernist houses in my area are custom built or at at least built for a particular client. They also provide a clear direction for any new work to go, while a tract house may have the open plan of an Eichler et al, tricked out in traditional detailing. |
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