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cellulose insulation and dust?

dedtired
13 years ago

I am considering having cellulose insulation blown into the attic of my home. This house is already fairly dusty, largely sue to the forced air heating system, I think.

I've read that cellulose insulation can create an ongoing dust problem. Is that true and is it a big problem? I'm concerned that I will be solving one problem and creating another.

The other option would be blown-in fiberglass, although I understand that it is is somewhat less effective than cellulose. My house gets too cold in the winter and I really need to add insulation.

Has anyone had cellulose blown in and can you comment on the ongoing dust factor? I presume dust will be kicked up during installation and I can live with that, just not more regular dust than I have now.

Thanks.

Comments (26)

  • neohioheatpump
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I blew cellulose into my attic. The entrance into the attic was in the garage. The garage got dusty - thats it. As long as nobody steps thru your attic ceiling and your light fictures are tight, it shouldn't be a problem.

    I don't have air ducts in my attic. If you do, you might want another persons opinion. My garage wouldn't have been as dusty if the operator of the box that was pumping the cellulose had it outside the garage. It also would have helped if we closed the door going into the attic.

    Blown cellulose and work miracles in your house. Its cheap and easy to do. You can do it yourself. I would get accustomed first to walking in your attic. You don't want to step thru you ceiing or on top of wires and damaging electric.

    I used 2 pieces of plywood to maneuver in my attic. I would stand/kneel on one, and move the other in front of me. Than I would move my body on the forward piece of plywood and move the piece that was behind me infront of me. I was sore after this labor intensive project but it was worth it. Attic insulation makes a huge difference.

  • dedtired
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks. The entrance to my attic is through a closet in a bedroom. I've already been through remodeling projects so I know how dusty the house can get and if it is a one-time cleanup, I can deal with it. I just don't want to create an ongoing problem.

    Wish I could do it myself, but that is a bigger job than I can manage.

    My attic also has old (very old) batts in it now. Did you have that, too, and did you remove them first?

  • neohioheatpump
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I did have old fiberglass batts in my attic. I blew right on top of them. As long as there is only one-layer of craft paper and its on the bottom you won't have problems with moisture build up. I was the person doing it in the attic. Its not fun, but you can do it if you agile. There is no skill involved. Your just aiming the hose and watching the stuff come out. You put it everywhere and try to make it even.

    If you want to get fancy, you can install baffles over your soffits inside your attic. Thats to prevent the insulation from clogging your soffitts so your attic can still breath. I did it. To be honest though, insulation still goes in there because the force at which the insulation is going from thehose.

  • sniffdog
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have blown cellulose in my attic and I also have insulated ducts up there too. I have cellulose in the walls too. The insulation is fantastic and no dust in the house due to that material. When they spray the cellulose there is a little glue mixed in with water that dries into a light cake form which helps hold it in place.

    The only challenge with it was when I had to wander through the attic to repair a leak. I had to remove a 2' x 3' piece of drywall in a bedroom below. The work was messy but I got through it OK. I had to use a mask when I was working up in the attic. I bought a package of the green cellulose from Home Depot to refill the area I patched.

    If you don't have one already, you might consider putting a plywood runner in the attic so that you can access critical areas without having to step into the cellulose.

  • dedtired
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks. Al additional info is welcome! The first quote I got was from a company that will use fiberglass. I need to keep a small part of the attic clear for storage. He will make a "wall" of batts to leave maybe two square yards for storage. I'm hoping the cellulose people can do the same.

    My house is small and storage is always an issue, especially because my son keeps stuff here from time to time.

    I am not agile enough or handy enough to do this myself!

  • vhehn
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "Has anyone had cellulose blown in and can you comment on the ongoing dust factor? I presume dust will be kicked up during installation and I can live with that, just not more regular dust than I have now."

    yes,i built this new house with cellulose in the attic. it is hard to keep up with the dust.even an aprilair 5 inch filter wont dent it. i suspect it is the cellulose since i have tried every thing else. would never use it again. if you do use cellulose use the wet blown stuff. i wish i had.

  • dedtired
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hmm. The installer was here today to discuss the job. He said he is using something that he sprays after installation that makes it compact a bit, at least that is how I understood it.

    He uses a product from Applegate Insulation. Stabilized cellulose, whatever that is.

    Here is a link that might be useful: cellulose insulation from Applegate

  • kframe19
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I've had cellulose in my house since I bought it 17 years ago.

    A few months ago I upgraded from what I estimate was an R 11 cellulose to an R-49.

    I have noticed absolutely NO difference in dust levels, which were not that bad to begin with.

    Most of the dust problem in my house is dirt that my dog tracks in on his paws and fur.

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "This house is already fairly dusty, largely sue to the forced air heating system, I think. "

    While a forced air system can move dust around, it does not create it.

    Unless the insulation is disturbed repeatedly after installation, or there is a lot of air leaking though it into the finished space it will not give off any dust after the installation.

    To clean dust from older houses every crack in the wood flooring may need to be cleaned out with a relatively high power shop vac.
    It can take a couple of times if there is a lot of dust.

    A crevice tool passed along every floor joint does the job, and some cost in time.

    Use a CleanStream filter in the shop vac to make sure the dust stays in the vacuum.

  • dedtired
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well, Randy, it's kind of against the rules around here to promote your own business, but your info may be useful to some.

    It's now been a couple weeks since I had the cellulose blown into my attic here in Pennsylvania. My furnace has been churning away down in the basement. I have forced air heat. I haven't noticed any additional dust at all except for a fine film on the furniture close to the access point to the attic. Once I cleaned that up, it did not return.

  • dedtired
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I mean Rodney. Sorry.

  • gunksny
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I just had cellulose blown into my attic over very old fiberglass batts. I chose this method as it seemed the best way to fill in all the gaps and crevices and revive the insulating properties of the existing fiberglass with a non toxic product.

    While its probably still too early to comment on the dust issue, I'm pretty sure its not going to be a problem. I haven't seen any change in dust levels yet after a few weeks, but the comfort level is significantly greater.

    I will say its very important to have a competent contractor install the cellulose. I would say that the contractors I used probably spent 90% (5+ hrs) of their time meticulously preparing the area for cellulose by boxing, marking and air sealing numerous recessed lights, installing soffit vent baffles and other items in the attic. They also built retaining walls around the air handler and attic access, left an access path and spray foam sealed around bathroom ducting vents etc.

    I am sure that some dust will enter the ducting system, but I'm hoping is not more than was entering prior as it was already pretty dusty up there. It does look like it would be a very messy job to try and install or fix anything buried under the cellulose.

    So far, I'm very happy with blown in cellulose as insulation, but I'm not in my attic very often.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    If you are getting dust in the living space from insulation you have air leaks.

    Fix the leaks and the dusting will stop.

  • energy_rater_la
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    and if the dust from the cellulose is blowing through
    the ducts seal duct leaks supply boxes and return air.
    insulation is worthless when air moves thru it.

  • dedtired
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I didn't realize this thread had come back to life. I had the cellulose blown in and additional dust is not a problem. I noticed the difference in my heating bills immediately. I had the contractor leave a little space for storage, so I have been up in the attic several times. The first time, some cellulose came spilling down near the hatch, but I put some sheets of plastic there and now that's not a problem. I am happy with what I got.

    My house is no more nor any less dusty than before. The house didn't even get dustier during the installation.

  • Marcy
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    If anyone is still reading this thread, my mom has been suffering for years with blown in cellulose insulation finding its way into her single story house. The HVAC system is in the attic. A fine film of insulation covers every horizontal surface in her house and after 2-3 weeks of foregoing her weekly dusting ritual, you can dust a surface with your hand and have a good amount to visually inspect. She's been there since the house was new, nearly 15 years, and the HVAC company who installed the unit (along with the builder) when it was new have been back countless times to try and figure out the problem. Everything that can be sealed has been sealed. There are a number of pocket doors in the house that were the latest suspects, but even after sealing the tops of those the dust continues. She's had the "dust" analyzed to be sure and it is in fact the same insulation as is in the attic. She lives in South Texas and is to the point now that she's considering having the entire mess vacuumed out of the attic and replaced with batts. It seems completely impossible but I've seen it with my own eyes. If anyone else has had a similar issue and solved it, I'd love to hear about it!!

  • energy_rater_la
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    blower door test the house.
    there are areas that leak that you don't suspect.

    find the leakage areas, including places like
    recessed lights, attic access, oversized cuts in
    sheetrock around bath fans & supply boxes.
    seal them up.
    mastic seal ducts, make returns air tight.

    if cellulose is in the attic you seal the pathways
    for it to enter the house.

    compare retrofit of house as compared to
    vacc out of cellulose. companies don't vacc it all
    out, and enough remains in the attic to still be
    an issue.

    its very common, but people in general don't
    believe it until they've experienced it.

    this is how I seal supply boxes:
    hardcast brand 1402 mastic tape
    see pic below.

    best of luck

  • rickyk22
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    anyone have anything new to add? I am thinking about doing the cellulose insulation and i am wondering if i should remove the 40-50 year old crumby fiberglass batts or spray right over them? I feel like it should be removed.

    Thank you

  • energy_rater_la
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    no need to remove fg batts. add blown insulation
    over it.
    air seal first...read posting by onabalcony above
    for reasons why along with other posts about
    cellulose entering house.
    there is a reason why cellulose & dust
    are often titles of threads.

    consider blown fg.

    install raised walkways to all mechanicals,
    build damn around attic entrance to keep
    insulation from falling out of attic entrance
    each time it is opened.

    best of luck.

  • rickyk22
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    i understand that i dont have to remove the old fg insulation, but being that it is very old, wouldnt it be a good ide to make sure that there is no mold, or anything else that would get sealed in there?

  • energy_rater_la
    10 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    a better use of that time, energy & $$ would be to
    air seal.

    insulation over an air leakage site reduces the
    insulation value, allows attic air, insulation particles
    & attic temps into living space below.

    with insulation that thin...probably aren't any moisture
    issues. but ...to prevent future issues, add back draft dampers to bath fans & vent them out of attic.

    best of luck.

  • HU-316130109
    3 years ago

    I bought a 1970's ranch back in 2001. I am located in central VA. There was a thin layer of fiberglass insulation between the rafters, but I chose blown in cellulose (R35) back in 2007 at a cost of 881.00.

    Cellulose IS a great insulator, but I regret that it is SO dusty! I swear dust filters down my through ceiling registers, as I have plenty of particles floating around my interior.

    This project had many issues, as contractor failed to add vent baffles before insulation which forced them to return and one man had a difficult time crawling around trying to install in the very tight hip roof soffits. OMG! Now in 2021, I am looking into whether time has improved the dust issue and whether there is a way to seal the stuff to quell the dust, at least on the surface.

    My HVAC tech says that foam insulation is having MANY mold issues in homes, so I a SO glad I did not go that route, although there would be no dust. Between a rock and a hard place.

  • Deb Kubly
    2 years ago

    I had project home come yesterday. Thew blew in insulation and it was shooting into my kitchen from the corner of my dishwasher from a hole in the wall. I'm breathing in dust today and it's all over my kitchen, bathroom and living room. Is this harmful to me and how do I properly clean this crap up?

  • Cheryl C
    2 years ago

    For those who have experienced dust, would you have gone with blown in fiber glass instead?

  • HU-503986835
    11 months ago

    Yes especially inside of old homes there will be alot of dust cause alot of places in crackes behind the drywall are not properly sealed "cracks and or holes, holes are also sometimes called penetrations" if these holes or gaps are not sealed with fire block foam or window and door foam the insulation can leak through its hard to trust most insulation companies they're usually out for your money.