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| Background info:
First time homeowner...it is 10 years old. Warm summers reach mid 100s and winter drops to 30 in this part of CA. Recently our AC made crazy loud sounds when we turned it on. I switched it off ASAP and tried again 20 min later and all was well. Recent annual checkup for AC found dead run cap and it was replaced (2nd dead cap since we moved in 2 years ago). Tech warned me compressor might be nearing its end and to start considering replacement. Called someone out (diamond certified...A listing angie's list etc) just to get an idea what to expect...and I have no idea if the proposal is fair or marked up. He asked sq. ft of home (2400 tw stories) noticed the old unit is 5 tons. Said replacement should be 5 too (researching after the fact he did not perform manual J load calc.) AC is primary concern we like to keep it around 72-74
Debating whether we wait for it to die or replace early (1yd old in house as well as pets that cant handle heat) Actual proposal:
$11.5K (special pricing if accepted within 3 days...$13.5k normal) I also got a stand alone quote for UV...my youngest child has health problems and was told it is used in hospitals etc. for air quality.
Unable to secure financing terms we are willing to take on so passing on full HVAC offer but wanted to know if it was fair...ripoff etc. to determine if I should follow up with them when we are ready |
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| Pricing varies by region, but no one is going to be able to comment on the price without knowing the model numbers of the equipment. You don't have a valid quote until you have the model number details. I don't care for a contractor who says you have 3 days to sign a contract otherwise the price goes up $2000. This is a high pressure sales tactic. I would pass on this contractor. You may need a 5 ton AC, but I would like to see a load calculation to confirm this. I think the furnace is oversized considering your mild winters. I am skeptical of UV lights. I would not spend the money on this. I would get a 4 inch media filter instead of an electronic air cleaner. |
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| Thank you for the advice. I did not like the high pressure sales tactic either. That is usually enough to make me ignore the rest of the sales pitch. I will remember to get actual model numbers next time I have a contractor out to discuss it. |
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| "I also got a stand alone quote for UV...my youngest child has health problems and was told it is used in hospitals etc. for air quality. $700 for UV installation only" UV in AHU for commercial and industrial systems has been shown to work when installed properly. I have not seen similar data for residential systems. That does not mean that it does not exist. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 18:08
| rather than putting money into uv lights put the money into sealing ductwork & return air. if the stuff the uv addresses has no entry into sealing the system & using 4" pleated media filters electrostatic filters aren't an upgrade IMO. instead of changing r/a filter rack, price best of luck |
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| Wow very detailed advice thank you. As a follow up what is the general cost of sealing duct work? We had a free inspection from our AC maintenance company due to air flow and temperature balance and their expert said it wasn't worth the expense to try and fix airflow problems to a downstairs bedroom b/c the ducts run between the upper/lower floors and everything would have to be torn out and redone. He didn't tell me an actual price though. If it would make a major difference when an entire system is insalled it might be worth considering though. The draw to me was the wash/reuse of the electrostatic filter. Was quoted annual replacement costs for the 5" pleat type filters. But if I can do it myself like the normal thin filters we currently have it may be worth the upgrade for quality. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 19:39
| fyi: always get at least 3 bids. the bids should include model numbers so that you can compare same size & efficiency units to same size & efficiency units. don't let any company bully you into accepting you posted: free inspection is worth what you paid for it. often air flow issues can be solved by adding manual dampers at the plenum. by adjusting the air flow.. if you have major air flow issues..then flow hoods costs vary on duct sealing. it isn't rocket science, when in between heating & cooling seasons hvac where is the supply plenum? attic? while you can't get between floors, sealing where ducts the next leakage site is where the supply box what I find is that this supply box is surrounded I use a mastic tape to seal the supply boxes to you can also seal bath fans with same method above you can purchase hardcast 1402 at hvac supply if you post pics of supply plenum, include if you are halfway handy..I can walk you through best of luck |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 19:43
| when you get bids ask each company to bid for brands they install. for instance Trane has alt brand American Standard. same mfg different name tag. usually cheaper price. if you have long cooling season, move up to 5 tons on 2400 sq ft is rule of thumb sizing. |
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- Posted by veesubotee (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:19
| With regard to U/V lights: in a hospital situation, the room air is being 'bombarded' with the light as the dust/particulates waft about. In a ducted system, the airflow is traveling by the light at (hopefully) hundreds of feet per second. V |
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| Thank you so much for the detailed responses. I feel like I am taking beginner classes in HVAC. Unfortunately I am not handy...I'm more of a patent law guy for computer stuff. I will try and look into the areas you suggested. Long cooling season is definitely us. Work from home so the AC is running non-stop. Will make sure to focus on the correct SEER range. |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Tue, Nov 13, 12 at 19:24
| Think of each increased point of SEER being something like a 4% reduction in your electrical usage. The cost of going up each point increases but the reduction in your power bill remains the same. The sweet point is around 15SEER. Continuing higher costs more and therefore a longer ROI. But you're in CA which has high daytime electric rates. This might mean that you could afford to go higher in SEER. Also, you should check with the power company and see if they have any incentive rebates. |
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