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New Carrier Hybrid System

Posted by tkneib (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 6, 09 at 13:05

I recently had two estimates done for a new Carrier Infinity hybrid system installed. The first was a two ton heat pump and an 80,000 btu gas furnace.
25HNA924A003
58MVC080-1-14
The second estimator said I needed a three ton heat pump and a 100,000 btu gas furnace.
25HNA936A31
58MVC100-20
My main question is which is the right size system for my home? I live in Baltimore, MD and my house is only 1450 square foot. It's all brick construction and was built in 1956. The insulation isn't the greatest in my house and I have no shade. Which is the right size? At this point I am not concerned with the price difference because the quotes are on different models. Each guy said they were offering me the correct unit for my home but #1 seemed more thorough and knowledgeable when he explained that he "didn't want to sell me too much system".


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RE: New Carrier Hybrid System

Unless they did a heat calc (manual J), they are guessing. You can do one yourself (hvac-calc.com). In your climate, the HP should be sized for cooling. The furnaces are way high for the size/condition of your house. I'm in the Philly are and require less than 60,000 BTUs to heat my 2 story, 2500 SF house.

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RE: New Carrier Hybrid System

Here is the deal that the contractors may be looking at.
where is the furnace and evap coil going to be located?
in a closet, basement, attic?
How much room is required for the install? Will it be up flow, down flow, horizontal?

Then the contractor will look at what setup will meet the tax credit for the hybrid heat or heat pump.

What is the Evaporator they are going to be installing?
We have to know this for the capacity of the heat pump in high and low speed for cooling and heating.

They can easily do a manual j and then they can easily come up with two different results too.

What if your home needs 2.5 tons? Your square footage is sort of in that range.

The first guy may think the 2 ton will work just fine because you may be on the border line for cooling capacity and the other one may think since this is a two speed system and Infinity does not make half ton sizes and it is recommended by carrier to go up in size since the A/C will also modulate in low speed most of the time.

Your furnace also modulates
The 100-20 ranges from low 38,000, med 61,000, to high 94,000 btu
and will probably modulate on the low speed or medium speed most of the time.

The 80-14 ranges from 30,000, 49,000 to 74,000 btu respectively.

You also have hybrid heat so the heat pump will do the work on mild cold days plus it can work with the gas for back up heat. So you may not need a larger capacity.

back to the evaporator coil.
Depending on the coil since most coils do not sit evenly on a 80-14 many install companies may use an 80-20 the only reason one may not use an 80-20 if it is in a horizontal application and because they have to get the furnace in the attic. The 80-14 is much more installer friendly and can fit through rafters nicely.

It would really depend on the load calc and where this is going to be installed in which way I would go.

based on heat pump criteria,
The installer with the 3 ton, has to use a 100-20 for the tax credit

while the 2 ton guy can use a smaller furnace to meet the tax credit.


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RE: New Carrier Hybrid System

3 tons and 100K 95% furnace sound nuts for 1450 sq ft, even with poor insulation. That big furnace will want to move around 1500 CFM of air on high fire. I'd doubt your duct system can handle that which would mean NOISE and possible furnace overheating.

Usually those guessing guess big to be safe. Someone needs to do it right. Are you going to improve the house at all? Windows? Insulation? Putting a little into the house, say shoot more insulation into the attic, could greatly lower your size needs and your annual heating & cooling bills. Very fast payback if you can DIY.


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RE: New Carrier Hybrid System

Sounds like the guy quoting smaller units did a more thorough analysis and the second guy is guessing big to be safe, as baldloonie said. Don't be afraid to get another estimate and ask specifically about proper sizing. I'm surprised the 2 ton heat pump is being paired with an 80k and not a 60k. A system that's too big isn't going to be good period, whether you spend lots of cash on the Infinity system or go with a more simple system. If you are going with the Infinity units, I'd tackle the sizing issue first.


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RE: New Carrier Hybrid System

Thanks to everyone for your input. I purchased the Residential Heat Loss and Heat Gain Calculation
Software for $49 and did the calculation myself. I found that I need a 2 1/2 ton unit but since Carrier doesn't make that I am going to go with the 3 ton heat pump and the 80,000 BTU Infinity furnace. Total heat loss was 74,000 BTHU so it looks like this is the proper sized system.


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