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Correct size for furnace flue pipe?

kellyeng
16 years ago

I have a new construction house with a Bryant Evolution system. Friday morning we woke up to find the system was shut down and a message of, "SYSTEM MALFUNCTION CALL TECHNICIAN." The installer was out of town for the holiday so I called a local company that I have used before with 24/7 service. The technician comes over, runs a diagnostic, goes into the attic and then goes outside to look at the flue pipe on the roof.

He says that the flue pipe coming out of the roof is not venting correctly thus causing an air pressure build-up which caused the system to shut down. He also said we were probably getting a build up of carbon monoxide (runs on propane). He said that the flue pipe is correctly sized inside the attic (6") but on top of the roof it is connected to a 4" dryer vent pipe and we need a flue pipe that is 6" and made for venting the furnace. He also said this was a city code issue as well.

So we decided to change the flue pipe and are just waiting for Monday to call a roofer because the HVAC technician said they don't cut holes in roofs due to liability issues.

In the meantime, the original installer calls this morning. I tell him what happened and what the other company's technician said and he says that's bull. He says that the specs of the system calls for a 4" flue pipe and that the problem is probably a "low pressure switch" needs to be adjusted. The other HVAC company says that switching out the flue pipe not including cutting the hole and installing a roof jack will cost $300.

Any thoughts or advice?

Comments (11)

  • baldloonie
    16 years ago

    Very rare for today's furnaces to need a 6" flue pipe. Should be all double wall from the furnace through the roof with that brand's flashing, storm collar & cap. What's with the dryer vent?

    What BTU furnace? I'm guessing 4" is fine if done right.

  • tmajor
    16 years ago

    I would expect, the size that comes off the burner, should follow completely through to the top.

    Obviously, one or the other of the techs, or both, are incorrect. I'd go for a third opinion.

  • Tinmantu
    16 years ago

    A Rheem furnace is a good example of why you have to know the btu ratings in order to properly size it. All come off the top of the furnace with a 3 inch opening and if you go to the 125,000 btu furnace it has to immediately transition to a 5 inch vent. I'm guessing that maybe this 6 inch was lined with a 4 inch (hopefully doublewall) to terminate. We use old 6 inch flashings with 4" all the time. A picture of the setup would be helpful to pass judgment.

  • kellyeng
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    Okay DH and I think the tech was totally wrong. First of all, he was looking at the water heater vent on the roof because this is the furnace vent:

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    I measured the pipe myself and it is a 5" diameter pipe. Here is where it comes out of the furnace and terminates into the attic ceiling:
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    And this is what it says on the pipe itself:

    "TYPE B GAS VENT 1 IN. MIN. CLEARANCE TO COMBUSTIBLES . . ."
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    The furnace is a Plus 80V model 315AAV and on the Bryant website it says it's capacity is 66k - 154k BTUH and doesn't say anything about BTU.

    So, what do you think?

  • Tinmantu
    16 years ago

    I've never seen a roof termination for a furnace like that in all my years....I see you are in TX but I still can't imagine that is manufacturer approved....the vent against the wood in your second picture is against any building code. B vent needs 1" from combustibles.

  • kellyeng
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    Isn't that just great.

    Since this is a new construction house, I'm calling the head city inspector tomorrow and ask how his office managed to pass the HVAC with this pipe strapped to a combustible.

    Thanks for noticing Tinmantu!

  • Tinmantu
    16 years ago

    Are you sure the first pic isn't an attic vent?....I just can't believe that someone would use that as a furnace vent. It wouldn't cut it where I live because a 6 inch snowfall would bury it. Curious to hear comments from hvac guys in the south. Never seen such a thing.

  • kellyeng
    Original Author
    16 years ago

    No not an attic vent, we have ridge vents for attic venting. I looked at my neighbors roofs and they all have the same setup. The last time I saw a snowfall accumulation around here was 24 years ago.

  • Gary Beaman
    3 years ago

    Not an expert however in my experience I always go with a 6-in or better flu pipt.

  • jimct01
    3 years ago

    The installation for the furnace will usually in great detail describe the proper venting for the device. I have an oil boiler which does take a 6 inch flue pipe, but i have not seen a newer (aka last 10 or 15 years.) gas installation which Uses anything any where near that size even it is an atmospheric vented furnace or boiler. I guess natural gas must be pretty cheap In TX as up north in order to save on gas most gas installations are condensing or condensing/modulating systems which vent through plastic pipe through the wall. They cost more but save a lot in a properly designed system.