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why caulking supply boxes doesn't work

energy_rater_la
9 years ago

knew I had this picture somewhere

supply box was caulked to seal gap between oversized
sheetrock cut & supply box.
note that as the caulk dried, it shrunk.
in other places it shows that caulk doesn't stick
to sheetrock dust.

on other supply grills that I removed in the same
house, the caulk stuck to the supply grill, not
in the crack at all.

if one was to caulk...then supply grill would have
to be left off. give caulk 24 hours to dry & shrink...
then make second pass with caulk. leave grill
off until caulk is totally dry.

much easier to just use Hardcast 1402 mastic tape.

Comments (5)

  • energy_rater_la
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    this pic is what it looks like from inside the attic.
    supply box is picked up off attic floor by screws
    from supply grill.

    I can fit my fingers between the bottom of the box
    & the sheetrock of the attic floor. this box should
    fit tightly to attic floor.

    don't know if you can see the sheetrock dust around
    the box or not.

    while these pics are of different houses, the cure is the
    same..in third pic to follow.

  • energy_rater_la
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    and last but not least...the fix!

    3" mastic tape...not foil tape, not duct tape,
    not asphalt tape.
    hardcast 1402 mastic tape.
    strong tape with thick mastic.

    this will keep the box from lifting up when supply
    grills are re-installed.
    depending upon the size of the gap..you can cut the
    3" tape into 1.5" strips. tape from sheetrock (staying
    within area covered by supply grill) into the supply
    box. inside the supply box is a metal lip for the tape
    to seal to. put extra piece in each corner. press well
    to seal. make sure surfaces are clean & dry.
    tape isn't easily re-positioned.
    you can trace around supply grill with a pencil
    to show you boundary to stay within.
    the tape will pull the paper off the sheetrock,
    so position it carefully.
    re-install the grill.

    if ducts are in floors, ceilings or walls...this works
    on all. most cuts are oversized, just hidden behind
    the supply grill.
    same applies for bath fans, remove the cover &
    seal the gap.
    with recessed lights...it gets more complicated.
    hidden under trim piece is the oversized cut.
    seal the same way with strips of mastic tape.

    I learned this after getting many calls for "mold"
    on grills. in 99% of the cases it wasn't mold at all.
    just that condensation had formed, dust had settled
    on the condensation & accumulated on the supply
    grills.

    I've been using this method for 15 years now to
    seal supply boxes.
    our biggest heat gain/loss is the ceiling.
    using the right materials to improve the air barrier
    is a diy, fairly easy thing to do.

    here is the sealed supply box.
    best of luck

  • klem1
    9 years ago

    Good information rater and simple enough the average homeowner or their handyman should be able to do the job.
    Now that weather is cool enough to alow working in attics,how about instructions in testing for leaky ductwork.

  • energy_rater_la
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    thanks klem1, the beauty of this is that it is done from
    inside the house. and that some diy'ers
    will apply it to their own houses.

    the average duct leakage is 30%. that is
    a lot.
    sealing the box to the
    opeing into the house is important.
    it is something that anyone with a drill & ladder
    can do, it will last, provided they use the specified tape.
    other tapes I've used haven't stood the test of time.
    I'd estimate % of duct leakage for supply boxes to be
    as much as 1/3 of that leakage to be supply box to penetration into conditioned space.
    the other 2/3 distributed more or less (because every
    house is different) between duct take off at supply plenum & equip/plenum connections.
    flex connections leak as do hard duct connections.
    I'm not really biased as to type.
    in terms of air leakage, hard pipe ducting has more
    leakage if it wasn't mastic sealed when installed.
    flex leaks less simply because it is a continous air
    barrer (exceptiond being torn/defective air barrier of flex).

    the duct equip return sealing would be attic work...
    and weather is starting to cool off, even here in
    La.
    I have to say I'm enjoying it every day!

  • klem1
    9 years ago

    There's heat then there's Ms and La heat,none of which should be confused with Tx heat.
    Critique this method aimed at your typical somwhat lazy couch potato that wants to know if leaky ducts are bad enough to cut into the monthly beer allowance. Not a scientific analisis mind you but one that will let you know if mucho dollars is being wasted.
    Close all windows and doors,turn off gas appliances and close fireplace damper or stuff a rag in it. Turn cooling (cool air is easier to feel drafting) and go to gas water heater flue bonnet to see if you feel air flowing out of or into flue pipe. Go to each outside entry door and crack it about 2",stand first inside then outside with face next to cracked door opening. Air rushing in = supply leaking. Air rushing out = return leaking. The greater the air flow the greater the % leakage. If you don't know how to track down leaks,tips are available for the asking or you can call in a pro with the knowledge their fees will be offset by energy savings and added comfort.