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Help figuring out criteria for replacement furnance

moneypenny02
10 years ago

Hi all,
We are looking to replace a gravity furnance in a 1937 Los Angeles home, with asbestos ductwork. The house is two-story and 1800 sq ft.. We do not have A/C and are not planning to add an a/c. We would like to be more energy efficient if possible (and we hope to do attic sealing and add insulation), but we have a very limited budget, so we cannot go for those projects that require very high initial outlays. We also hope to get an energy audit before we do anything, but we would like to know how to understand/compare any initial quotes we are getting.
All that I know about heating is what I have been reading online, and I just want to make sure I am getting the appropriate elements included within any quote from an HVAC contractor. I have some questions, so I just hoping that someone more knowledgeable than I can weigh in on the following.
* We currently have ducts with vents near the floor on the interior walls. Is the location of these vents appropriate?
*There is not currently a return register. Should there be one on each floor? How many?
* We have 8" ductwork. We will be replacing the ducts because we want to get rid of the asbestos, but is 8" the correct size for a furnace in a house this size?
*What is the rough estimate of the appropriate size of the furnace unit for this size house?

Comments (11)

  • tigerdunes
    10 years ago

    Describe your typical winter temperatures.

    Where will new furnace be located? If you elect high eff furnace, then you must vent normally through an external wall either in basement or crawlspace.

    Correct sizing of furnace is important for both comfort and operating cost.

    What do you plan to do about asbestos ductwork?

    Yes, you need a minimum of one return for each floor . I would think a minimum for 800 CFMS for each return. Of course return should be strategically and centrally located best at internal hallway.

    IMO

  • tigerdunes
    10 years ago

    Just reviewed winter temps for LA.

    I would think a high eff furnace 60 K size with ECM blower motor would be adequate. AC could be added at a later date if ever interested.

    IMO

  • moneypenny02
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks for the reply!

    Re: Asbestos ductwork, we want it out. In all honesty, if we didn't have the asbestos, we would probably live with the gravity heater for a while--removing this is the main reason the heating system is even on our radar.

    With regard to the duct location, is it okay to keep them on floor on interior wall? Some things I read said that this was not correct, but the first person who came to visit our house said it was fine. I am sure that changing the location will add more cost to the installation, but I would like to know if there is a big difference in the comfort level or use of energy if they remain where they are located.

  • mike_home
    10 years ago

    If the asbestos covering is intact and not shedding any fibers then it is safe. There is no need to spend money on removing it if the current heating plant is working well.

    The duct work for a gravity system is very different from a forced air system. You are going to need to duct modifications if you get a new furnace. At that point the asbestos will have to be removed. If there is not a lot then you could remove it yourself and save a lot of money.

    Normally floor registers are installed on exterior walls below windows. The idea is the cool air coming from the window drops to the floor and causes a draft. This makes the room uncomfortable. The warm air rising from the registers helps to counteract this. I would not spend a lot of money to move the registers. It is not worth it in my opinion.

  • tigerdunes
    10 years ago

    On ductwork, normally supply registers are located on external walls and return(s) on internal walls.

    So you will have all old ductwork removed. I would ask dealer what his recommendation is. I am not sure if I would go to the trouble and of course the expense to change location of supply registers. You do need at the very least one return on each floor. I would want R8 insulated ductwork.

    Post back and let me know what he says.

    IMO

  • moneypenny02
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I will follow up with the one fellow that we have gotten a quote from. He was highly recommended as doing a good job, but in speaking with him I wasn't sure--as he seemed to answer my questions counter to what I had learned thus far online (e.g. only 1 return register needed; location of supply registers fine--and I don't think he did a cost-benefit analysis, I think he didn't even think about it). Because he WAS highly recommended, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if I was misunderstanding what I read. Seems like I was not. I will need to get some more quotes, but likely cannot until next weekend, unfortunately.

    Is the heating installer usually the one that insulates the ductwork, or do you mean that the ducts themselves are purchased with R8 insulation?

    Also, the machine he recommended was the York Guardian model# GG9S080B16MP11 (95% efficiency). This seems to be an alright model--not excellent. Do you think this is appropriate for a long-term fix? I would be willing to spend more on the model if it means it would last substantially longer and with fewer headaches.

    Forgot to mention--it will be located in the basement.

    Also, I am okay with the asbestos ductwork for now, but my husband is adamant about getting it out, so I am trying to do some research and figure out what the appropriate new installation should look like.

  • tigerdunes
    10 years ago

    "I would think a high eff furnace 60 K size with ECM blower motor would be adequate. AC could be added at a later date if ever interested."

    You certainly don't need an 80 K size high eff furnace. Not a particular fan of York. I will review this model later when I have time.

    IMO

  • mike_home
    10 years ago

    Duct work in the basement or any conditioned space does not have to be insulated.

    Keep asking questions of HVAC contractors. Most people call it getting quotes. I think of it as interviewing someone for a job. If they can't answer the questions to your satisfaction then the price does not matter.

  • tigerdunes
    10 years ago

    Not all basements are conditioned.

    IMO

  • tigerdunes
    10 years ago

    The Guardian is a low end furnace. I wouldn't have it. Not clear of York connection.

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  • moneypenny02
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Planning to meet with more HVAC reps this weekend....