Return to the Heating & Air Conditioning Forum
| Post a Follow-Up
EdenPure heater?
| | |
Posted by carmen_grower_2007 (My Page) on Mon, Oct 13, 08 at 12:06
| Are they really cost efficient? Would they cost less to operate than a propane system? |
Follow-Up Postings:
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| 1 gallon [U.S.] of LPG = 95,500 Btu 1 KW of electric = 3,413 Btu's If you pay $3 a gallon for LP, one BTU will cost you $0.00003141. If you pay $0.17 per KW, one BTU will cost you $0.00004981. So for 100,000 BTU's:
LP cost: $3.141
Electric: $4.981 There is even less BTU's realized in LP than what I stated as, I don’t know what efficiency you are heating at. For instance if you have a 80% furnace, it will take approximately 120,000 BTU input to realize 100,000 Btu's thus, adjust LP cost to more like $3.77, still at least $1.20 less per 100,000 BTUs than electric. Edenpure is a 100% efficient electric resistance type heater, the most expensive way to convert current. Electric resistance is, unless you’re on some low coop cost electric usually the most expensive way to heat centrally.
Although many times heaters such as these are used to heat a room to comfort levels, allowing the central stat and rest of the house to be lowered. This premise can save you fuel. If you are interested in heating with electric and perhaps using the LP to supplement, you should be looking at heat pumps or geo-thermal. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| They're very expensive, and in the vast majority of reviews I've seen the owners are NOT happy with the claims that have been made as compared to their performance. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| it is a box with lightbulbs in it. is that worth $400 bucks? |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Thanks so much -- that's all I needed to know. Will stick with propane. (which we are paying under $2 per gal.) |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
We bought the EdenPure last year. The one that heats 1000sq ft. Our home is 2000sq.ft. We saved one whole fill up of propane. Our electric went up about $40 but we saved close to $180 in propane for that month. EdenPure should be used in conjunction with your home heating system. We kept the heat on at night at a low temp and then ran the EdenPure from 7am to 10pm and shut it down. As soon as the temp drop in the house the heat would kick on. We have hot water baseboard heat. Our goal was to save money on propane and the EdenPure did just that for us.
The Comfort Zone is also a good product and it has 600 more BTU's. They are both the same price for the simple black one but the Comfort Zone offers a $25 coupon. Both have free shipping. We did our homework before purchasing the EdenPure. I spread the word up here in the mountains and one of my friends bought the EdenPure and 2 others bought the Comfort Zone. They are more then just light bulbs heating up. It's infrared heat and it feels so good and it's healthy for you. One pleased customer! |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
Wow, $40 in electric versus $180 in propane?
Time for a new boiler with zoning (all your doing is creating one warm zone with the electric heater) |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Oh I forgot to mention that our floor plan helps a lot. It's pretty much opened and I have the EdenPure sitting in a central location. Maybe that's why it worked so well for us. Beats paying $2.58 a gal for propane up here. That is the price so long as you are getting 100 gals. Otherwise it costs $2.73 a gal. Most rooms got warm and the others stayed a little cooler like they were zoned to be cooler. I'd say two rooms were a little cooler. I think that's why the savings. We'll take it! Roxy |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
It is electric heat.
Nothing more, nothing less. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Thats affirmitive Brickeye, Whether it is a $30 heater from WalMart, $55 oil filled electric radiator from Home Depot or a $400 heater from Edenpure, it all the same, 1 KW of electric put in = 3,413 Btu's If there is a fan on it, add $ |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| zl700, you sound very knowledgable in breaking down BTU's numbers etc. That is all well and good but you are missing the point. The bottom line is saving money on our fuel bill. And yes, we will pay a little bit more for our electric in order to save a lot more on the LP gas. It's not about recuping the cost of the EdenPure in the first year, though this year we will recup it. There are probably other options out there but this one is working well for us. In our case propane is much higher then electricity where we live and the EdenPure is saving us money in the long run. We are fortunate though we live close to 7000 ft up here in the mountains of NM, and our winters are short compared to where we were from. We probably would not have used the EdenPure during those long, cold, winters there. I highly recommend the EdenPure to those in a similar situation. It really would depend on what is more costly to you where you live. I think that makes all the difference when deciding to invest in the EdenPure. The numbers we saw, proved it to us! Go check it out! |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| The point was s $20 electric heater from Wal-Mart of the same wattage would have done EXACTLY the same thing. 1kw of electric heat added to the room is 1 KW of electric heat. It matters not the brand or type of electic heater. In some areas electric is indeed cheaper than propane, although not by much and NOT by the difference you are quoting. You are not comparing apples to apples. The propane was heating the entire house, the electric heater was only being used for spot heat. Reset the temps for the radiator zones would have accomplished the same thing. Also, knowing the electric rates in NM, its doubtful the propane is more expensive for the same number of BTUs. This only occurs in the NW where lots of hydro power is available. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
I agree a Kw is Kw but I'm sorry, a heater is not a heater as I've used a cheaper heater up here in my salon and it was far more expensive. The EdenPure is not a space heater per say but the one I bought from Walmart sure was.
Our monthly electric bills have always been lower then what we pay for propane for a month during the winter. This house is all electric except for the dryer which is propane and the hot water baseboard heating unit. Basically, we only use large amounts of propane in the winter. We have none delivered the rest of the year. Still the numbers proved it to us and the heater paid for itself.
I also spoke with our electric company and they figured it all out for me. I called them before the purchase of the heater to check on KW's cost,etc. verses the propane cost that I supplied to them. They thought I should save and were interested in the heater too.
My girlfriend purchased the EdenPure for this season and I will keep you posted how how it works for her. She has a less then 1200 sq ft home and the propane cost is killing her to heat it in the winter. Her floor plan is excellent for the EdenPure. I'll keep you posted and thank you for all your info and knowlege! Roxy |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| "I agree a Kw is Kw but I'm sorry, a heater is not a heater as I've used a cheaper heater up here in my salon and it was far more expensive." Sorry, but that statement makes no sense. Unless you've used the EdenPure in your salon, you don't know how it would perform there. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
I think I'm wasting my time here! You don't get it and you never will. We have saved money and we will continue to save money using the EdenPure. I don't know what else to tell you. There just isn't anything else to say!.....
kframe19, it's enough to know how the Edenpure performed here in a much larger space! |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Some consider a Bessler Wheel to be a good value too. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| "We have saved money and we will continue to save money using the EdenPure." It is just a bunch of light bulbs generating heat. Did you have the exact same number of degree days from before and after?
Made NO other changes in the house? Electric 'spot' type heaters can save money if you turn down the heat in the house and only heat the room you are in. If the heater matches the load, there may also be some additional savings since it would operate all the time with no cycling. The 'loss' from the hotter than needed heating element would be eliminated. Other than that, heat is heat, and kW-hrs are kW-hrs. It is very hard to make valid comparisons between heaters since the use conditions are only the same in a lab type setting. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| One of the tipoffs that the Edenpure is just hype is the picture of the heaters in an Amish buggy and the Amish mention in the text of the big ads. The purveyors of the heater are probably still laughing about that. Amish do not have electricity from the grid in their homes. The idea, as explained to me, is that the flow of electrons which constitute electric current go everywhere on the system and then are recirculated endlessly- which is true. The Amish objection is that they do not wish anything in their houses which has been in places which practice things the Amish condemn, such as houses of prostitution. I respect their beliefs but my personal use of electricity is quite conventional. I buy from the POCO. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
"I think I'm wasting my time here! You don't get it and you never will. We have saved money and we will continue to save money using the EdenPure. I don't know what else to tell you. There just isn't anything else to say!.....
kframe19, it's enough to know how the Edenpure performed here in a much larger space!"
We are just trying to educate you and others so they dont fall for the deceptive marketing like you did. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Since the Amish reject the use of electricity, all the electronic components of the Heat Surge were designed and made in China. The devout keepers of the Dutch County do their part by hand-crafting the beautiful wooden mantles only. The Original Roll-N-Glow Electric Fireplace with Authentic Amish Crafted Premium Wood Mantles. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| "Since the Amish reject the use of electricity, all the electronic components of the Heat Surge were designed and made in China. The devout keepers of the Dutch County do their part by hand-crafting the beautiful wooden mantles only. The Original Roll-N-Glow Electric Fireplace with Authentic Amish Crafted Premium Wood Mantles." - Wow. Someone is sure drinking the EdinPure Kool-Aid. Now it's got a fancy mantel made by the Amish. But call right now...while supplies last...this offer is not available in stores...hurry, time is running out...if you act now, we'll throw in a set of Ginsu knives and a year's supply of Mighty Putty. If you think it saves you money, then more power to you. Some people - you can't help them help themselves. Take care. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| "The idea, as explained to me, is that the flow of electrons which constitute electric current go everywhere on the system and then are recirculated endlessly- which is true." No it is wrong. The electrons move a short distacne, then reverse and move back. Ac power. Only DC power sends them all the way around a loop/ |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| I should have said that the explanation to me is an explanation about what the Amish believe. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| I understand it is what the Amish believe, but like many people without a good technical background they are wrong. The electrons only move a couple meters each way for 60 cycle AC. |
RE: EdenPure heater? Roxy
| | |
| I am no teckie but what they say it true. I have an old heat pump and once it gets below 30 degrees the emergency heat kicks on and off adding to my bill. Once the temp gets somewhere around 20 - 25 the emrgency heat runs non stop and parts of house....my bedroom for one just will not simply warm up. We bought a two radiator fin heaters last year on clearance...50% off at HD. They were may be $30 each, regularly $60. I was suprised how well they worked. At night I set my hp down to 65 or less so it would not run continuously. We'd set the fin heaters to run for a few hours before and kick on again (they have timers) a few hours before we awoke. They had no trouble raising the temp of the rooms 5 degrees or so and we went to bed warm and awoke warm. In fact once the rooms were heated they appear to hold the temp for hours. I noticed no increase, in fact a decrease in my electric bill. Now I will say I would not use these as my only heat. Still in extreme cold I feel as though I am saving $$$$$ vs my old hp running on emergency heat forever and not really warming the home. They are a bit of a nusisance; mostly because I do not keep them plugged in and must reset the timers each night...thats just my own insecurity I guess. Yes, the lower level is cooler in the morning but most days we are on our way out and we just nudge the stat a bit so its warm when we get home. Still I am glad I bought them. So, your Edenpure, used in a similar fashion may well save you $$$$, but they are right, likely any heater would have worked as well. Still, your edenpure surley looks nicer than my fin heater so enjoy it. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Just returned from a short vacation, and saw this post went on, in fact the Amish habitate the hill above our cottage. Guess I should have asked what type of heat they use. They may not use electricity but, they accept cash to store my boat, just not on Sundays. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Very true andrelaplume2, saving money is what it's all about. By the way, there seems to be a misunderstanding about the Amish. They have nothing to do with The EdenPure or any other heaters for that matter. They do make the wooden mantels for the Roll N Glow electric fireplace. That is all that they have to do with it. I thought I would just add that along with what you said. I'm glad that you are saving money Andrelaplume2. We are too! |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| FYI: Emergency heat is an electric coil in the airstream of your heatpump. It consumes the same wattage per BTU produced as your Edenpure. If the emergency mode can't keep up, it is either undersized, broken or control issue not kicking in all stages. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| I get really frustrated with people who talk about things they have no idea about. The person who was talking about the Edenpure being just a box with a light bulb needs to receive some education because this person knows absolutely nothing about the Edenpure. I know of SEVERAL people in northern Minnesota that have these and they all love them! They swear by them and my parents even have 2 of them! They have cut their fuel oil consumption in 1/2 and on their retirement income, this was a blessing! These are NOT just light bulbs in a box and by saying this only shows how ignorant you really are. I plan on buying one for our house for Christmas...can't wait because our family room is quite cool and it would be nice to have some warmth down there...I had one of those electric heaters that heat up so hot that it could cause a fire and was dangerous for children. With the Edenpure, I won't have to worry about that - guess it isn't a light bulb in a box after all, huh? |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| They are likely saving $$$ because they are not heating their entire home but rather only the room the edenpure is in...nothing wrong with that...just that you could do the same thing with a $25 heater....though I admit it may not look as nice and perhaps be a burn hazzard. Re:
FYI: Emergency heat is an electric coil in the airstream of your heatpump. It consumes the same wattage per BTU produced as your Edenpure. If the emergency mode can't keep up, it is either undersized, broken or control issue not kicking in all stages. Our unit is 20 years old and we had an estimate to replace which reccomeded the emergency heat (plates or something)be of greater size or capacity since the ones in there now are marginal for the house size. It (heat pump emergency heat) may consume the same as other heaters but a space heater in a room will not run as long....again its only heating that room. RE: Those amish heaters...ok they just make the wood mantal and the heater is thrown in for free....I find that commercial ammusing...I also chuckle at the part where that proudly state that the heater 'earned the coveted UL approval'...HA---so did my alarm clock! |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| "I get really frustrated with people who talk about things they have no idea about. The person who was talking about the Edenpure being just a box with a light bulb needs to receive some education because this person knows absolutely nothing about the Edenpure." it is uneducated and gullible dolts like you that allow deceptive marketers to fleece the sheep. educate yourself before you throw around insults. testimonials are not evidence:
" Essentially, the EdenPURE quartz heater is a small box containing a couple
of quartz infrared heat lamps. These lamps shine on copper tubes. Room air
is drawn into the heater, passed over the warm tubes and blown back into the
room. It's basically a copper radiator heated by quartz heat lamps, with a
fan to push room air over the radiator. In other words, an electric heater
with a mass the copper tubes in front of the heat source, not unlike other
space heaters on the market. There is nothing revolutionary about it." http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Sci/sci.engr.metallurgy/2007-12/msg00005.pdf |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| "I had one of those electric heaters that heat up so hot that it could cause a fire and was dangerous for children. With the Edenpure, I won't have to worry about that.." Electric heaters all work the same way and cost the same to operate. Some have hot outer cabinets, usually the cheap ones. A $50 ceramic heater is cool to the touch. A $50 oil-filled electric radiator is warm to the touch. Both cost a fraction of the purchase price of the EdenPure for the same heat. If you like the electric fireplace of the EdenPure, that's fine, but understand that it is just a highly over-priced electric heater. |
Eden Rip-off heater
| | |
| "it is uneducated and gullible dolts like you that allow deceptive marketers to fleece the sheep." Outstanding. Couldn't have said it any better (without the f-word in there somewhere). Take care. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| lazy000 "I get really frustrated with people who talk about things they have no idea about. The person who was talking about the Edenpure being just a box with a light bulb needs to receive some education because this person knows absolutely nothing about the Edenpure." Than pray tell in your well knowledgeable position why it is other than light bulbs in a box? "The EdenPure TM uses a new advanced quartz infrared heating system " Right from the Edenpure site. It IS a light bulb in a box.
How do you think they use electricity to create "infrared heating"? Black magic? The only way it could save on an overall heating bill is iff you turn down the heat and use it for just the occupied room, and even that may not work. Electric heat is expensive in most of the US. We burn gas and oil to generate the electricity. |
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| Here is an article about one of the purveyors of the Amish Mantle heaters. Different product, same (lack of) integrity. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Heat Surge
RE: EdenPure heater?
| | |
| hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm.......... Whether it is a $30 heater from WalMart, $55 oil filled electric radiator from Home Depot or a $400 heater from Edenpure, it all the same, 1 KW of electric put in = 3,413 Btu's
Ok, lets add into the mix a 1500 watt hairblow dryer, and a 1500 watt Quartz heater and a 1500 watt Toaster oven So you are saying that they would all produce 3413 BTUs. Would one particular appliance or heater heat a room just as efficiently as another? I would really like to know if there is a difference in heaters and how well they heat. |
|
|
|
|
