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| So I am building in a rural area where there really is a single major company. Their quote was fine and they have a good reputation except for one thing.
The house is 2100 sq feet split evenly on 2 floors and they want to do 2.5 ton down and 2 ton up in an area with a 91/26 design temp. My calcs put it at 2 and 1.5 with the best I could do on HVAC-calc. I am not particularly worried because the house has 80% east windows which really are overcounted in the manual J algorithm. They are counted the same as west windows despite the west being far more important as peak load. The contractor response to me requesting the lower tonnage was "maybe we aren't the right contractor for you". It was handled by the builder so I don't have any more details of how it went. Honestly, they put the ducts in the attic despite them being in conditioned space between floors and they left off a 12 foot overhang on some large windows. The infiltration was too high etc. My builder didn't want to point out their mistakes but just stated it was a customer's request. My thought is to tell them we are putting awnings on all the windows and foaming the attic rafters or some other lie. But it might seem pretty transparent at this point. I am definitely going to try to get other contractors but it really maybe going with someone 1/2 hour away that has a much higher quote and won't be as available if there are problems. |
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- Posted by veesubotee (My Page) on Thu, Sep 8, 11 at 7:59
| Pay now or pay every year. |
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Thu, Sep 8, 11 at 15:10
| Well the pay every year is a bit overstated. Under ideal conditions, this house is a $200 a year a/c bill. Oversized it might be $230. There was a study somewhere that quoted less than a 10% cost to the routine oversizing. To me the real issue is system life and humidity control. |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Thu, Sep 8, 11 at 17:37
| Where is this again? |
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| 30 minutes away in a rural area is not that much. I know a lot of people that have more than that to a food store or a fuel station. |
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Thu, Sep 8, 11 at 20:55
| You are right that 30 min is not a ton but the price is also thousands more. The oversized quote has a rigid duct trunk where the others use flex. So there are a number of things that are more than the distance. This is coastal NC. |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Fri, Sep 9, 11 at 13:18
| For coastal carolina, I would think that 91/26 is a bit low. I don't feel that 0.5 tons would be that much oversized when it is 98f outside. |
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Fri, Sep 9, 11 at 14:22
| I've found that 91 in a couple of areas. It was the HVAC-calc default and it was the contractor's manual J design temp. I agree though that it seems a little low. But even at 98 degrees, it didn't change the tonnage with my calcs. On a tight well insulated new house, the vast majority of heat gain is solar and internal which obviously is independent of outside temp. There is a large mass outside the house that never gets above 80 and the wind always comes off of it so I think the 91 is actually right. While you might see temps of 98 2 miles inland, the waterfront temp is less. Feels hot when you are in the sun though.... |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Fri, Sep 9, 11 at 20:21
| guess they wouldn't consider zoning with actual zone dampers instead of multiple units?? the you could go with one unit and move in to dual stage/variable speed. the pay not or pay every year isn't only cost to run I'm in a rural area and we have lots of companies best of luck. |
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Sat, Sep 10, 11 at 5:31
| Agree on the threat. I am trying to be practical though. We talked about the zoning option and the ductwork was a challenge. The other reason is trusting someone to get it right requires a whole level of diligence and this is a distance build. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Sun, Sep 11, 11 at 15:03
| I got you. "The house is 2100 sq feet split evenly on 2 floors and they want to do 2.5 ton down and 2 ton up in an area with a 91/26 design temp. My calcs put it at 2 and 1.5 with the best I could do on HVAC-calc. I am not particularly worried because the house has 80% east windows which really are overcounted in the manual J algorithm. They are counted the same as west windows despite the west being far more important as peak load." as I see it they are building in a fudge factor. one option would be to get an independent load calc if you do choose this company then make sure that all the ducts are mastic sealed..with hard duct the long seals and all the joints of the 90's connections to plenums and supply boxes along with plenum connections to equipment. then you could add a stand alone dehumidifier best of luck |
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- Posted by SpringtimeHomes (My Page) on Mon, Sep 12, 11 at 19:54
| I agree with you guys for the most part. The HVAC guys are also used to very inefficient envelopes. Are you sure that yours is that much better? 80% East windows sounds like a bad start... |
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Mon, Sep 12, 11 at 20:28
| The ocean is towards the East. I could care less that it isn't the most efficient. ERLA - Thanks for the reply. I will check on the mastic sealed but I am pretty sure that is code. Doesn't mean it isn't always done. I am really just looking for a way to convince the contractor to change his mind. Things like telling him that all the windows will have awnings and agree not to hold him responsible if the house isn't cold enough. |
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