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techrec79
15 years ago

My Goodman heat pump's coil just gave out after 4 years and I'm looking to replace the unit. It's been repaired 5 times in the 2 years I've lived in the home. I've looked at Trane, American Standard, Lennox, and Carrier. I'm looking at a 3 ton unit to replace a 3 ton AC with a gas furnace. Can anyone give me some data on the most reliable heat pump brand? Are there any particular questions I should ask the contractor? The freon line is rather long and one contractor told me that only Carrier had a unit that would support it...others would possess a strain on the compressor. Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

Comments (15)

  • ryanhughes
    15 years ago

    Goodman units are sold more on price than reliability usually, though recently Goodman has been reputed to be better. They still have a bad reputation from the past, though. The brands you're looking at should be fine. In reality they are all very similar as far as components and functionality go. If going with Carrier, opt for the tin-plated copper coil with a 10-year warranty as it holds up better to corrosion that has been a problem among multiple manufacturers. Not sure what would make Carrier stand out more given what I said above. He may be going off of Carrier's specifications. What efficiency air conditioner were you looking at getting? 2-stage, high-efficiency units are nice but are not necessary. A good 13/14 SEER outdoor unit with a variable-speed indoor unit should do just fine if properly sized. How did the old 3 ton cool? Did your dealer actually look at the ductwork to determine it could support 3 tons? Just got back from a relative of mine's installation in her fairly new condo, and the installation is very poor. Had to seal numerous air leaks, and the airflow to some rooms is still horrible. What I'm saying is, not all ductwork systems are done right from the get-go, but it is VERY important in having a good system.

  • garyg
    15 years ago

    If your 4 year-old coil just gave out and you have had the unit serviced 5 times in 2 years, you have some serious installation issues.

    "The freon line is rather long and one contractor told me that only Carrier had a unit that would support it..."
    - That's funny. Sure, only Carrier will do. No other system will work. Lose this guy.

    Get 3 more quotes. Find out why you have so many problems with your current system. You don't want a repeat with the new system, regardless of brand.

    Good luck.

  • baldloonie
    15 years ago

    To me, the best unit has a scroll compressor, high & low pressure switches and if in a cold climate, demand defrost to eliminate the 100s of unneeded defrosts a time/temp system will have every winter.

    Look at ALL of the numbers to compare units. Cooling capacity, SEER, EER, heating capacity, HSPF. One popular brand tends to have fairly low heating performance, something that means higher bills even though you think it is as efficient as other brands.

    Heat pumps don't like linesets that are too long. We had a house that the one system tended to chew up units where the other 2, with short lines didn't. Finally ended up moving the heat pump to the other end of the house and solved that issue.

  • dgb49
    15 years ago

    In what part of the country do you live? You live in a multi story condo?

    Maybe a heatpump is not the best?

  • tigerdunes
    15 years ago

    techrec

    my personal specs

    15 SEER,12+ EER,9 HSPF
    matching var speed air handler
    full BTUs in rated size both cooling and heating
    scroll compressor preferred
    electronic demand defrost preferred
    R-410a refrigerant
    staged backup heat strips
    stat that controls blower speed for best dehumidification like the HW VisionPro IAQ

    models that I like
    Carrier Performance 15 or Trane's XL15i as well as sister company models from Bryant and Am Std
    Rheem has some good mdls as well

    IMO

  • garyg
    15 years ago

    "Heat pumps don't like linesets that are too long. We had a house that the one system tended to chew up units where the other 2, with short lines didn't. Finally ended up moving the heat pump to the other end of the house and solved that issue."

    - Exactly. A problem installation, not a manufacturing issue. The OP may have the same concerns.

  • ryanhughes
    15 years ago

    The coil "gave out." Can you describe this in more detail? Did it spring a leak. What were the other repairs? Could very well be installation related as others have said. You'll of course want to have this checked before proceeding with a new system. Good luck.

  • hikker
    15 years ago

    You may wish to avoid purchasing Trane. We had new Trane unit installed 2 weeks ago. Ran fine for 1-1/2 weeks then stopped cooling. HVAC Contractor visited & indicated expansion valve had failed. Now we wait presumably while Trane & Contractor negotiate whether, since in warranty, valve or entire evaporator must be changed out. What a bad purchase decision I made.

  • ryanhughes
    15 years ago

    I've heard about TXV issues with a couple of brands, including Trane. It is unfortunately that this happened in your situation, but it's also important to know that any brands can have problems. Trane, like other manufacturers, makes good equipment. It ain't that hard to stop a Trane I guess. And when you do, not that easy to get it back on the tracks! :)

  • techrec79
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Thanks everyone for the great input...I will definitely have the system looked at and maybe relocate the freon line. It goes up one story and over about 40 feet. To answer your questions The old 3 ton unit did pretty well. It cooks 1 floor of a 3500 square foot home. No one looked at the ductwork but the home is only 4 years old. I assume they are properly sized. I live in Virginia. Temperatures are usually not too cold. Heat strips should suffice I believe. Coils rusted out at edge and the freon leaked out. Other repairs include 2 capacitors blowing out and 2 freon charges and 1 preventive maintenance call to clean the coils and clean drain lines, etc.

    I appreciate all of your suggestions and recommendations.

    Eric

  • garyg
    15 years ago

    Replacement warranty on the Goodman evaporator coil is either 5 or 10 years. Labor and freon are not covered.

  • techrec79
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Thanks. I checked the warranty information and Goodman dodged responsibility by saying it goes by the manufacturing date since I'm the second owner of the home. I even offered to call the power company to get the original date the power was turned on in the house to no avail. Like I said, I will never buy Goodman again and will promote my experience with them to anyone who will listen.

  • snash_keesy_com
    13 years ago

    You got exactly what you paid for.

    If you wanted a reliable Heat Pump, you should have bought a Daikin from Japan.

    I heard they are in the States now.

    I have had my Daikin Multi Heat Pump running for over 30 years. I have been prodded into upgrading to a new model but I am going to run this thing until I can't get anything else from it.

    I have heard of some people with Daikin's that are still running going on 40 years. Unbelievable!

  • maestro96
    10 years ago

    The Trane pump quoted does not have the On demand frost feaure. Any suggestions for a better Trane heat pump with this feature? I have another contractor coming in on Monday to give me the price quote.

  • SaltiDawg
    10 years ago

    Maestro96,

    The features cited in this thread have been overtaken by five years of progress.

    You may want to start a new thread with your question....