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mini split power observations

Posted by ionized (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 13, 14 at 17:55

I started looking at the power/current draw of my mini splits last week.I was curious about the start-up current because when I operated them on a portable genset, I did not observe any sudden loading/bogging of the genset. In fact, the current starts low and rises to a max very slowly over a minute or two and then backs off by a noticeable amount after a few minutes. They seemed curiously high for the larger of my two compressor units.

Yesterday. I went further. I poked around in the service manual. There is a section with charts to be compared to readings in "Emergency cool" and "Emergency heat" modes that seems to take out lots of adjustments that the microprocessor can make, simplifying observations. Inverter operation is fixed frequency and fans are on high For each of the outdoor units covered (4), every indoor unit has a pair of graphs.

Both graphs for each indoor unit have outdoor ambient temp on the x axis (65 - 115 for cooling graphs). There is a series of lines, each at a different indoor DB temp 86,80, 75, and 70) for the pressure graph. On the current graph, there is only one line. From these I guess you are supposed to get expected currents and pressures on the Y axes.

I have two MXZ2b20NA outdoor units. One has two 9000 btu indoor units and the other a 9000 and a 6000. These all gave me between 2.5 and 2.7A which is probably within error on the graphs, but possibly a little low.

The MXZ3b24NA has three 6000btu indoor units. The currents I read for that were 3.7 to 3.9 amps which would appear high compared to the previously-given readings. Consulting the graphs for that outdoor unit, they are in line with the data given.

Why should this unit be that much less efficient? I was pretty disturbed. It was only just now that I noticed that the emergency cool mode puts the smaller compressor units (20,000 btu) into opertion at a constant 40 Hz and the larger ones (24,000; 30,000 and 36,000 btu) at constant 24 Hz.

Note that heating measurements are made at slightly different, 48 and 32 Hz. The larger compressor system may be less efficient at those settings, but when allowed to operate freely, it is probably closer to the smaller ones. I'll have to go back and measure both larger and smaller while they are running comperable indoor "loads" in their "unleashed" rather then constrained settings.


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RE: mini split power observations

Just out of curiosity, are you taking your measurements with a True RMS reading ammeter that has a wide frequency response range and can properly read complex waveforms with lots of THD?

These inverters may be introducing lots of distortion and hash on the AC line. Non True RMS ammeters will not be able to provide accurate readings under all operating conditions.

Just asking…

SR


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That is a very good question. Thanks for asking. I should have thought of that. No, I am not using a good meter at all. I am using a really cheap clamp-on meter. I repeat, really cheap. I checked its performance relative to a multimeter ammeter using a resistive load (toaster). It seemed OK. It is hard to justify an expensive meter for a hobby. Maybe I can borrow a better one. At the disconnect, It would be relatively easy to introduce a conventional ammeter. Would that work better or worse with distortion?

Some tables listing the electrical characteristics for these units have a column heading "P/F (%)". I assume that is power factor. I know what that is supposed to mean in practical terms, but I've thought little how the rating is determined. Is it for steady-state operation or does it include start-up, for example?

Fsq4cw, would the "distortion and hash" be higher during start-up or at speed? The "P/F" of these units is 95 with one indoor unit running and 97 with 2 or 3. Those numbers would indicate very little distortion wouldn't they?


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RE: mini split power observations

Your toaster may not be a purely resistive load if it’s a coiled wire. That would make it an inductive load but not necessarily a complex reactive load as your mini split likely is.

Dispite all the ‘theory’, there is no substitute for the proper instrument.

A Fluke True RMS clamp on meter should do or perhaps the instrument linked to below.

SR

Here is a link that might be useful: Fluke 345 - Power Quality Clamp-on Meter


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Power factor is not a measure of distortion. It is a measure of the phase relationship between current and voltage.


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RE: mini split power observations

If the phase relationship between current and voltage is not in line, isn't that distortion? It may not be the only kind of distortion, but isn't it distortion and distortion of very common type and relatively high magnitude?


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