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| Thank you in advance. I've read and appreciated the thorough responses, but am still confused with all of the numbers.
In Atlanta / one-story / 1,800 sq ft / furnace in attic / easy installation / both quotes from reputable contractors / Quotes nearly identical without upgrades, and at top of my budget (taking rebates/tax credits into account) but can finance if some upgrades worth it. CARRIER - 4 ton Comfort 16 Two Stage, non-variable furnace, under 75 db VERSES SIMILAR $ QUOTE FOR... TRANE XR13, R410a, 4 ton, as low as 75db
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- Posted by neohioheatpump (My Page) on Wed, Jul 27, 11 at 15:12
| considering the carrier is a 2 stage comfort series and costs 1,000 less, I would go with it. How do you heat? I"m assuming since your in atlanta you are familiar with heatpumps. You want one if you don't have one (for atlest the mild heating days). |
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- Posted by tigerdunes (My Page) on Wed, Jul 27, 11 at 16:29
| Ashley Which Carrier furnace mdl? Generally you can not pair a two stg condenser without a var speed furnace. What size/efficiency furnace are you replacing? What size AC are you replacing? I certainly would not recommend the larger XV80 furnace. It will only cost you more to operate. Shame on that dealer. I do recommend a two stg furnace with var speed blower. Dealers are quoting new line sets? What about whole house filter cabinets? What mdl thermostats? What mdl evap coils. These are not insignificant details. IMO |
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| I can't follow this. Are you only purchasing a furnace? If so, are you going to connect it to an existing AC condenser? |
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| RE: AC and Furnace replacement NEW DETAILS In Atlanta / one-story / 1,800 sq ft / furnace in attic / easy installation / both quotes from reputable contractors / Already at top of my budget (including rebates/tax credits) without upgrades, but can finance if some upgrades worth it 2 Quotes, both @$6,000 (another Carrier quote of $9-11,000 was so out of budget) Thank you for your insights. See new details/answers below. CARRIER VERSES TRANE "considering the carrier is a 2 stage comfort series and costs $1,000 less, go with it..." "certainly would not recommend the larger XV80 furnace. It will only cost you more to operate..." "are you familiar with heat pumps. You want one if you don't have one�" "Dealers are quoting new line sets?..." Still wondering |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Fri, Jul 29, 11 at 14:26
| The 'line set' is the set of copper pipes (lines) that go from the inside (evaporator) coil in the furnace to the outside AC (condenser) unit. When replacing an existing old unit, it is better to replace than reuse, though they can be cleaned up if proper care is taken. When going from the older R22 refrigerant to the new R410, the pipe sizes are usually different. For a $600 upgrade for a HP, it would depend on your current electrical and gas rates and how long you are going to stay in the house. |
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- Posted by neohioheatpump (My Page) on Fri, Jul 29, 11 at 15:47
| Considering your in Atlanta, which has alot of mild heating days, and hot and humid weather, and if I'm not mistaken has reasonably priced electricity, and the heatpump upgrade of $600 is pretty reasonable I would upgrade to the heatpump. I would also go with the 2-stage carrier. THere is a pretty big efficiency difference in cooling mode also comparing the 16-sser carrier to the 13-seer trane. The 2-stage heatpump-A/C running most of the time in the low-stage during cooling to dehumify better will provide better comfort. I don't think the carrier heatpump offers demand defrost which is a downside to it. Trane models do. I would still go with the carrier model since its higher efficient on the A/C and you will be running this alot. I would run the heatpump when above 35 degree's and use the gas furnace at anything below. The heatpump will provide a evenly heated rooms in this temperature range do to the longer run cycle's of warm air. Ask tiger for your Energy calculator to compare the cost of heat from the different methods of energy. Keep in mind the COP of heatpump heat is 3.5 or more at 40 degrees and above with a modern high-efficiency heat pump. |
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- Posted by tigerdunes (My Page) on Mon, Aug 1, 11 at 8:46
| Ashley I would recommend a load calculation for correct sizing both heating and cooling. I know the Hotlanta climate very well-hot summers, relatively moderate winters. I have always thought the sweet spot for Atlanta HVAC is two stg 80% eff var speed furnace paired with high eff heat pump. If you provide your electric and nat gas rates including all applicable and recurring mthly fees, I will be glad to run a comparison of the rates to see if HP can be justified. Just to be clear what size is your existing AC and what size and efficiency is your existing furnace? Post back. IMO |
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