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Posted by pharmhand (My Page) on Sat, May 19, 07 at 22:57
I live in a 1400 square foot house near the beach in San Clemente, Ca where the climate is so mild I don't need
Air Conditioning. I am considering a whole house fan for the warmer summer months, but am trying to decide between a GAF Master flow Direct drive 24 inch fan which is recommended for our house size, and a belt drive tandem (2 small fan unit) which is quieter and has more features but is a couple hundred dollars more expensive. The Models are WHFS24 and WHFTAN1. There is also a Belt drive 30 inch (30Bwhfs) that could be an option but is recommended for bigger houses. I wondering if anybody has any experience with these types of units and can let me know if belt drive units are too loud and any other factors I should consider. I appreciate any input I can get.
The 24 inch fan is $180, the 30 inch fan is $220 and the tandem is $400. I can get a $100 Dolar rebate on any of them from the local power company |
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RE: Whole House Fan Recomendation
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| The problem with belt drive fans is the belt. It needs to be changed at regular intravals. Most are never changed. It sounds kinda high for the $400 fan. See what HD sells and use the price as a comparison. See haw many CFM the fans move. |
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| I have installed almost 10 whole house fans for family and friends. I highy recommend the belt drive ones. I have never changed my belt in 10 years. I only use the ones made by Triangle Engineering out of Arkansas. The other hint is to use at least a 12" plenum to reduce fan blade noise and shutter vibrations. |
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| Maybe the belt issue is only in Texas. Every unit I have ever seen that was older, had a loose belt. When I serviced evaporative coolers, new customers were always resistive to replacing the belts. Kinda ignorant. It a belt streaches, the belt is loose and the fan looses speed. If the fan looses speed, tha air flow is reduced. Once a customer saw the difference with air flow, the belt replacement was never an issue again. |
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| I liked and went with the QuietCool fans because the fan mechanism is at the other end of a long section of ducting up inside the attic. This makes it MUCH quieter. And, you can more easily place multiple fans where you want them in your house e.g. one in the master bedroom so that you can still operate it with the bedroom door closed. |
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| I just purchased and installed the WHFTAN1 from Flow Masters/GAF (http://www.gaf.com/Content/Documents/20510.pdf) and the installation was simple and easy. I went with this model since I live in the Northeast and like the fact that it has the automatic shutter/insulation on the attic side so that the cold weather doesn't creep back into the house during the times that I don't use the whole house fan. My only complaint is the noise. It is terribly loud. Unfortunately, I do not have any experience to other styles, but I would say that this sounds like a really loud bathroom fan. I have a two-story home and this is installed in the ceiling at the top of the stairs on the second floor. My house isn't big (about 800 square feet on each floor), but when this is on, you can hear in everywhere in the house and even outside. |
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| I live in Seattle where practically no one air conditions or does anything else for cooling. Most people simply open windows. When I renovated my current house, my contractor though I was a little cuckoo when I insisted on the installation of a whole house fan. I went with a Tamarack Technologies HV Series whole house fan. It moves a smaller volume of air than many other fans, but it's quiet, has insulated automatically opening doors on the attic side, and is quite effective. When temperatures drop in the evening, I open windows, turn on the fan and the entire house cools down in about 20 minutes. I've been very pleased with the system. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Tamarack Technologies HV Series
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| jamesk, did you go for the HV1000 or HV1600? I'm debating getting one of those but don't think I've found anyone who actually owns one. |
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| I have the HV 1000. It has proven to be entirely adequate, and my house is nearly twice as big as yours. I didn't go with the HV1600 because it would have required additional venting in the attic. My fan is placed in a central stair hall at the highest point in the house. I also elected to go with a custom wood grill which is painted to match the ceiling. The standard metal grill isn't very attractive. |
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| I, too, have only ever used and recommended belt-drive whole house fans, and never had the belt wear out. I'm on my 2nd house, with my 2nd Triangle Engineering fan. Very quiet, very high quality construction. This second one I have is actually a custom 6-blade fan made for a company out here in Sacramento, California called Fanman. Triangle's fans have 2-speed motors. The 36" fan on low moves 7,660 CFM (290 watts), and on high does 11,224 CFM (580 watts). 3 friends have also installed Triangle Engineering fans after seeing how mine works. |
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| I had an old huge home with the attic fan ceiling louvers at the top of the stairwell. In the attic, the fan stood on end and wood slats neatly curved boxing in the louvers ... thing was taller than I was. Super quiet except maybe the rattle of shutters opening or closing on start/stopping. Moved tons of air. It had multiple pulleys on a freely pivoting motor with gravity and weight of the motor swinging holding the belt tight. Was quick and simple to change the speed, but you had to run up the attic stairs to manually move the belt over a notch. |
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| I live in San Diego and although the climate is mild there are times I need to cool my 2 story home. I went to HD and found the GAF 24" and 30" fans. The 30" is belt driven. The 30" says I need 1152 sq. inches of ventilation, it puts out 6000 CFM. The 24" requires 1008 sq in and puts out 4500 CFMs. My home is new construction and what I found is that the attic is compartmentalized and I only can get into 1 section. I presume this is some sort of fire code. Anyways, it only has 2 vents, a gable vent about 2' x 2' and roof vent 1.5' x 2' -- obviously not enough ventillation. I was wondering if I install an electric gable fan than moves about 1600 CFMs and wire this to turn on when the hole house fan is running -- would that work? |
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| Zokko your vent area =1008 sq inches. 2ft x 2ft= 24in. x 24in=576 sq. in. 1.5 x 2 = 18 x 24=432. 432=576=1008. You have it for a 24 inch fan. A gable vent is strictly for attic ventilation and not to be used to supplement a whole house fan. The whole house fan will act as your attic ventilator when it is turned on. A gable fan wired independantly will help with attic ventilation when the whole house fan is not running. I am southeast so I don't know whether gable fans are used or needed in the mild SD area. |
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| I like the specs on the "Ghost". It is just expensive and I do not know how much noise it makes. Who has a "Ghost" installed? How loud is it? I thought that since the motor is up in the attic it might be a little quieter than some of the other fans. Rob |
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| I have a recommendation for whole-house fans, and that is to go with the ones made by Triangle Engineering of Arkansas (made in the USA!). These things move more air than any other brand. As an example: the 36" belt-drive model sold at Lowes & Home Depot moves 6,900 CFM on its highest speed. The 36" one that Triangle makes moves 10,600 CFM. I just put one of these in last week and am so taken with it that I'm evangelizing for Triangle now. These things are much higher quality than the other brands too -- these are made with very heavy-gauge solid welded steel (as opposed to the thin, flimsy metal - often aluminum - that other brands use). They use a very solid motor made by Emerson, the best of the top three motor-making companies (the other two being Fasco and A.O. Smith). They come pre-framed on a wood frame for installation, AND they have sponge-rubber noise-dampening material between the fan and the frame, so they are much quieter than the other brands. Also, Triangle holds a patent on an automatic belt-tensioning system these things use, so you don't have to worry about getting the tension right when you install the fan (or in the years thereafter as the belt loosens up). Also, they come in more sizes than the other companies -- from 24" all the way up to 48" blade diameter (which moves a ridiculously whopping amount of air; no one else makes one that big). They're sold online at Southern Tool amongst other places that ship nationwide, so they're available wherever you live. Also, Triangle re-brands some of these as a private label for Dayton, which is the "store brand" of Grainger - so if you have a Grainger store near you (check your phone book or their website), you can buy one there. I will say this, though - Grainger/Dayton makes their own shutters, and those shutters are much better than the one Triangle makes. Triangle makes great fans, but crappy shutters. Luckily, they're sold separately -- so buy a Triangle fan and Dayton shutters; money can't buy better products. They also re-brand some for a company out in San Francisco called "Fanman" (a/k/a "Delta Breeze"). A word to the wise -- these fans move a lot of air, so make sure to install at least the recommended minimum amount of attic exhaust space (gable vents, soffit vents, roof vents, some combination thereof, whatever works for you) - if you don't have enough, the fan will operate at reduced capacity, and there will be a backpressure which will cause the shutters to rattle when the fan is in operation (any time you hear whole-house fan shutters rattling, you know there isn't enough exhaust space). Oh, and one other thing -- only buy a belt-drive whole-house fan, don't EVER buy a direct-drive model...the direct-drive models are at least five times louder, they sound like standing on an airport runway next to an old prop plane getting ready to take off. Several of the dedicated whole-house fan installing companies have chosen to use Triangle fans; that should tell you something. These companies want satisfied customers, so they use Triangle and only Triangle. Refer to http://www.trianglefans.com/wholehouse.html for more info |
Here is a link that might be useful: Triangle whole-house fans
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| I have no clue what year this thread is from, so ignore me if it's a year out of date. I recently bought a Masterflow 30 (30bwfs) exclusively to replace a warn motor in a 10+ year old Air Vent SP302B fan motor. I've not swapped out the unit yet, and in fact I'm planning on keeping the fan itself if possible. I can say the Masterflow model is lighter and constructed of cheap sheet-metal. The Airvent unit is at least painted. The shutters, I actually like the Master Flow shutters a little better. They are lighter, sheet mental construction, but have a gasket on each Shutter. The Air Vent unit is heavier, but after removing it for the winter 8 times it fell apart. With the belt drive units, you can replace the motor even if they are $200 or 60% the value of the whole thing. The Air Vent uses a very standard furnace motor easily found online, and wow I needed both the motor and shutters making total replacement a little more economic. |
RE: Whole House Fan heat sensor shuts down
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| bought a Master Flow 30" from HD. We have more than the required 1152 sq inches attic vent. Our home is 3000 sq ft. However this is the third motor and each runs a short time and overheats. Once the overheat sensor blows there is no reset so we have had to put in a new motor each time. We had a professional check the wiring. Any suggestions? Could there be a bad batch of motors? All of three motors have been obtained in the last 10 days. (Oh yes we had a 24 inch fan in the attic that lasted 20 years.) |
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