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| Here are the two quotes I am considering.
Would appreciate any feedback. Our current systems are original from 1998 and both are low on refrigerant. When working, A/C and heat were adequate. Issues include: Master bedroom is cold in the winter (thermostat is located there); two of the three remaining bedrooms are fine in winter/summer, the third is hot in the summer (west facing) and cold in the winter (at the end of the supply duct I think). Proposal #1 adds a return in the MBR (no mention of a return in the basement), #2 adds a return in the basement (and did not recommend a return in the MBR). We have three kids and keep all their bedroom doors completely closed from 7pm to 7am while they are sleeping. We close our MBR double doors from 11pm to 6am (upstairs has a single 20 x 20 return in the upstairs hallway). Location: Northern Virginia (suburb of Washington DC)
= 1250 sq ft (4300 sq ft total) ***Current Equipment: Zone 1 (Main Level + Basement) Located in basement
Bryant A/C
Zone 2 (Upper Level) Located in attic
Bryant A/C
***Company #1 (Carrier Dealer) - $15.8K 10 year labor/parts/compressor
New pads & fused disconnects Zone 1 (Main Level + Basement)
Carrier Infinity (3 ton, 17 SEER, 2 stage scroll)
Flush existing lineset
Zone 2 (Upper Level)
Carrier Infinity (2 ton, 17 SEER, 2 stage scroll)
Flush existing lineset
***Company #2 (Trane Dealer) - $14.8K 2 year labor
Zone 1 (Main Level + Basement)
Trane XL15i (3 ton, SEER not given, single stage)
External Filter Rack
Zone 2 (Upper Level)
Trane XL15i (2 ton, SEER not given, single stage)
External Filter Rack
OPTIONS
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| Do the Carrier quotes include the rebate? They should total $2200. Is it too difficult to replace the linesets? Does the Carrier quote include the 10 year labor warranty from Carrier? Was a load calculation done by either contractor? What media filter is being proposed for the Carrier quote? The Carrier equipment is very nice. If you have humid summers you will enjoy the 2-stage AC. The only suggestion I have is to consider upgrading the basement furnace to a 95%+ efficiency unit. I am not the Trane expert, but I think it is also good equipment. The AC are single stage which if sized properly should also give good humidity control. |
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| Both quotes are have rebates included ($2200 for Carrier). No load calc for either quote but a third vendor sort of did a calc (measured all rooms and windows, ran some numbers on the spot) and recommended a 2 ton A/C in the attic and 2.5 ton A/C in the basement (vs 2 and 3 tons for the above quotes) for the same Carrier equipment. Not sure if the 10 year labor warranty is from Carrier direct or the installer. Lineset for the basement would require tearing up some of the finished space in the basement. Not sure how the lineset is routed from outside to the attic. Not sure if anything but a 1" filter is proposed for the Carrier quote. Going to a 95% furnace will require running add'l PVC piping to the outside, correct? |
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| High efficiency furnaces need to be vented through PVC piping to an exterior wall. This adds more labor and material costs. A 95%+ efficiency furnace may also qualify for a local utility rebate. This is worth investigating. Ask the Carrier contractor about a 4 inch filter. I recommend getting it if it can fit and the cost is reasonable. If the contractor is a Carrier Factory Authorized dealer, then it is probably a Carrier labor warranty. |
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| Ok - here's a quote for YORK equipment... Any comments on York Affinity vs Carrier Infinity vs Trane? York and Trane proposals are 80KBTUh/60KBTUh (main/attic). Carrier is 66KBTUh for both systems. Any thoughts? ***Company #3 (York Dealer) - $13.9K (rebates included) 2 year labor New pads Zone 1 (Main Level + Basement) York Affinity (3 ton, 15.75 SEER, single stage) Zone 2 (Upper Level) York Affinity (2 ton, 16.5 SEER, single stage) Option to go to CZH036/CZH024 (2 stage 17.75/16.75 SEER) for add'l $200 each ($14.3K instead of $13.9K) |
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- Posted by patrickjd9 (My Page) on Sun, May 27, 12 at 13:25
| One would assume heating load would be higher in main level plus basement than on the upper level. Unless much of the upper level is over an unheated garage, it seems odd that a company would propose identically sized furnaces for both. It sounds correct that all companies have proposed a larger upstairs air conditioner than you have now. Of course, without a load calculation, I am speculating. FWIW, I am sitting right now in a house cooled by a 24 year old Carrier compressor. Matching furnace was replaced in 2006, with new coil. Maybe you're giving up on your systems too soon? |
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