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Posted by nysaclk2829 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 27, 07 at 15:54
Hi All, wanted to hear your opinion on the following.
I received 2 quotes to replace my split heat pum heating system with either a RUUD combination or an American Standard combination, which includes both the airhandler (inside) and the "AC unit" outside and linking them up etc.
Now, what I have read is that RUUD is inferior, but so is the installation price. 4K for the RUUD vs 6K for the American Standard (Trane), each by a different contractor.
For which combination should I go? Personally I am inclined to go with the 4K system.
Also, both contractors have experience in the neighbourhood, and offer the 1yr labor, 5 yrs and 10 yrs warranty. The RUUD contractor's experience is somewhat more limited.
Look forward hearing some comments. |
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RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| I would go with the Ruud/Rheem. They make very good equipment and they have a good warranty. Trane/American Std. is a top-tier brand, which means you pay top-tier prices. IMHO it's not worth the extra cost for something you don't directly interact with, unlike something like a car or riding mower. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| What makes you erroneously think RUUD is inferior? Both brands have good reputations. What differentiates them is the quality of the installation and attention to detail. It's the "brand" of contractor that really counts. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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Find your confidence in the company who installs, guarantees, backs up the warranty, and services the equipment properly. Ask around.
Both brands are good.
Relax. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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Thank you all for the valuable input.
One more comment, I use the internet a lot, and when going to both websites I should say that RUUD could be a bit more consumer oriented. Then again, its the material that counts and not the website.
I look forward having my RUUD installed. All the best. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| The Ruud UPNE-024JAZ is a fine unit. Copeland scroll compressor, compressor protection from high & low pressure switches tied to a control board that will lock off the unit so the compressor isn't damaged. LED indicators tell the tech what happened to cause it. Trane doesn't use pressure switches so more likely to ruin a compressor if something happens to the system. Trane also uses a Mexican made reciprocating compressor which tends to put out cooler temps in the winter than scrolls do. Sorry, nothing will convince me Ruud is inferior equipment. Especially the pretty green unit that's been beside my house for 11 years! Personally I'd get a 10 year parts & labor warranty on any brand these days. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| whomever told you Rudd is inferiour, needs to have a reality check. It is probably superiour to TRANE. AS owns TRANE, not the other way. CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT POST ON THIS FORUM, The T has stopped and AS is boarding. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| Thanks Bob, was wondering when you'd show up. Ruud/Rheem makes great stuff, they'd be the first brand I would look at if I actually spent real money on equipment. But Goodman is good enough for me when my Janitor-troll finally dies. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| I have a 2 month old RPNE 4T at my home. (I installed it myself). I cannot make any judgment about long term reliability but I can't imagine there's a heat pump made that's easier to service. Two screws and the cover comes off and everything is right there in front of you. The downside is that the footprint is a little larger then other units. Like Baldloonie said, it seems to have it all. (protection, diagnostics, serviceability, Scroll, etc). I just hope their coils hold up over time. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| nysaclk2829,ruud is a middle of the line unit.You have read that ruud is inferior to Trane because it is true.You have probably read that installation is a very impportant factor in equipment life and operation,which is also true.Bob, Trane is going to be the mother company soon instead of american standard(not that I care) TRANE WILL MAKE AMERICAN STANDARD.Trane climatuff compressors are made in Tyler Texas and are the toughest compressors made hands down.I hated the idea of them leaving them and going to a copeland scroll after having so many successful years with the climatuff atleast they put their own patents and still must pass the SEET test. nysaclk2829 ask your dealers if you can go to a showroom or distributor so you can see,touch and judge the quality differences for yourself.I sold Ruud as a second line for a while .I stopped after having evaproator leak problems and doa compressors.I hear they have done some changes to their design. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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bama,
Lately the Trane dealers all seem to be complaining about lousy support from the factory and distributers over spare parts availability. They also complain that Trane parts pricing is sky high because of proprietary vs. industry std. designs. I've seen Trane condensers. The plastic tops seem pretty cheap to me. If there's a superior brand, then I've never seen meaningful data to substantiate it. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| Find a NATE certified installer first. Then worry about brand. then look at the prices,warranty,etc. |
Here is a link that might be useful: NATE website
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| davfr,the plastic Teflon top is a leaf guard to keep unwanted debree out.I think its one of the best looking units on the market.I sell hundreds of Trane units a year and have had no problems with support or warranty at all.We have very few Trane equipment part failures that is all the meaningfull data I need although Trane keeps up with failure ratios.Most parts returned for warranty like compressors,txv,s etc they find are not bad at all but simply miss diagnosed. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| Sorry, bama. Trane Climatuff recips are made in Mexico. For the big bucks Trane gets for their product, you'd think they could afford to pay Americans, not $2 an hour Mexicans. The scrolls are made in Louisiana. If you don't believe me, check on. Sez it right on them. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| Bald,Its been a few years since I took the tour in Tyler but I watched them make the climatuff there at that facility.I think the copeland scroll or the alliance compressor is made in mexico.I heard they moved the lLouisiana facility.The climatuff is made in Tyler Texas.Copeland went in with Trane and lenox to build a scroll altough Trane and lenox has there own patents and must still pass Trane torture tests.Like I said I hate to see the climatuff leave,They will eventually go totally scroll with the better efficiency. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| The Ruud/Rheem will not disappoint, you would be very happy with that unit. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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| I've been in the Tyler factory twice, back when they did make compressors there. All you gotta do to believe me is just find a new XR13 other than 3 or 5 ton and see where it says Made in Mexico right on the compressor label. Been made there for 5+ years now. Lots cheaper than paying Americans to make them here. The scroll is made by Alliance Compressors, a joint venture between American-Standard, Copeland and Heatcraft. I have one in the back room I wrote a warranty on today. Even has a Copeland sticker on the box and a Copeland ZR part number and the Service First part number COM06767. The box says Alliance Compressors right on it. The scrolls are made in Natchitoches, LA. Good luck pronouncing that. |
RE: 2 ton ruud vs american standard 13 seer (in norhtern va)
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I got both quotes, and its mostly labor that makes the difference.
By the way how long does it take to install this? 1-2 days no?
Why then the 3K labor charge then? |
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