I found an email I could cut/paste so here it is... Hi - I can't recommend the Bertazzoni I'm afraid. There are a few details posted on the 3 Bertazzoni threads with issues I have had. (Obviously those seem to be gone) Mainly, the delay feature in starting the range. You have to hold the oven door open, push and hold the knob and wait for ignition. This took us about 18 seconds each time to turn on the range. (While holding the door open and the knob down) Also, I never had good results with the oven. The temp was off and it never was quite right. I never could get results that I have had before from other ranges on standard items. (service was out twice and we were deemed "normal" for operations purposes) Also, the oven area is quite small on the 30" range. The space used for the storage area makes the oven smaller. We had the 4 burner - 30" range. Many posters have 36". (And, I know many are pleased and don't seem to have the issues I had, or it the operation of the oven doesn't bother them) I know there are quite a few that are pleased with their ranges, but I was not. I would suggest looking at some other models. Also, try to see one live. (You just can't know until you SEE it - at a minimum download the user's guide from the Bertazzoni site that outlines in detail how to start the oven) There is no way you can understand how this range works without seeing it on. I would not order it online, as I did, because I had no recourse with the issues that I have had with it. (I did write to Bertazzoni and go no response from the retailer, the distributor, or the manufacturer. Since it was such a hassle to use my husband wouldn't use it, my aunt (cooked w/gas all her life!) wouldn't use it and my son, who was just learning to cook wouldn't use it. Also, the cooling fan runs all the time whenever the oven is on. It was very noisy. (The American and a few others Wolf, Blue Star, and not sure of others - let you turn the fan on/off....many do run if the oven is on) Oh, the temp doesn't go that low - I think 275 is the lowest (we use warm sometimes) and the temp knob has very few markings so it is a guess of where you really are on the temp guide. If you can see one, you will notice this. Good Luck, Let me know if you need more info. Hope that helps, but I wouldn't recommend the Bertazzoni.

Well, we are expecting company for dinner tonight...any minute...and I am serving a new cheese with our drinks that I have never had before. Rougette. It's a soft cheese that has a strong aroma, looks like Brie. How's that for something I have never tried before? I'll let you know how I and, everyone else likes it. I'm hungry...wish they would hurry up and get here. sooey

Thanks! Oakley -yay for Aquage! That brush looks amazing. Funkyart which style do you think runs wider? My feet feel much better. My left foot doesn’t hurt at all anymore when I have them on. The right foot still does but I suspect it will take awhile for that foot to settle down. I really need a pair of comfortable (standard work with almost anything black) boots/booties but don’t really like their styles. Theres one that’s ok but I wish the toebox was shaped a little different. Going to order more sandals. Im going to look into some of the other sandals mentioned here too. Thanks Eld. Yeon -The small bottle (they have a large size too) has a dropper and I just put a drop on the applicator and run it along the top. Another drop for the bottom and drop right at the beginning of the spooly brush to use on my brows. It sounds like a lot but I have over half a bottle still. I don’t recommend brushing the oil on the lashes with the spooly brush (mascara wand) because the oil is so thick it just beads up. It’s kind of gunky feeling but doesn’t irritate the eyes at all. I do it right before bed and sleep with it on. In the morning I just rub my eyes. It seems some of its absorbed in because there’s less. ETA - Thanks for suggestions about exercises. I was thinking there was probably stretches or something I could do to help. I'll check it out. Justerrilynn -They look great! And nice ZZ plant too.

Dave, I know that some multi-generation hybrids have lost the three leaf "tri". I imagine that this probably still has the three leaflet presentation, but was curious to see the leaf structure of what is a first gen hybrid (I'm assuming just a normal trifolate leaf).