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Is Scotchguarding necessary?

Posted by ranchreno (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 17, 06 at 14:56

We've been having a heck of a time finding a sofa/loveseat combination that will fit our family room space. The PB Greenwich is perfect in dimension and we love the style. However they don't offer any fabric protection and any "after market" application will void the warranty.

The sofas I have currently have all had some sort of scotchguard-like treatment, and we haven't had any trouble cleaning even the nastiest of messes (two little kids, occasional canine visitors and lots of red wine drinkers). But since I have nothing to compare to, I have no idea if today's microfiber type fabrics are just as stain resistent/cleanable without the extra protection.

There's a retailer that we've used before that offers (and highly recommends) their own brand of scotchguarding, but we don't like their sofa options as much.

Anyone want to chime in? Do I really need the stain guard? Anyone have any experience getting stains out of PB upholstery?

Thanks in advance!


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RE: Is Scotchguarding necessary?

I think you need Scotchguard.....or leather.
Linda C


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RE: Is Scotchguarding necessary?

Please don't get a fabric treatment if you get microfiber. Talk to some really reputable manufacturers about it first. I have been told that chemically treating microfiber actually DECREASES its natural stain restistance. My microfiber sofa has none and even ball point ink washed off with soap and water. Grease stains and long stading stains (like dirt that has built up over many years) are harder to get out. If you go with a non-microfiber fabric, go ahead with the treatment if you want. I have been assured it is not necessary, but at least it isn't likely to make it MORE prone to stains, like it can with microfiber. My local Stickley retailer was the latest, but not the first, to tell me that modern fabrics are manufactured with stain resistant finishes and they do not recommend applying anything else, nor will they offer to do it for you, or do it even if you request it. They were considering offering a purchasable stain "insurance" that comes with a cleaning kit for people who are really paranoid about stains, but they would still not treat the fabric with anything. They would just clean or recover the sofa if necessary. Thus they would offer it as "insurance" rather than a "treatment". Not only that, if you read the fine print, EVERY manufacturer I looked into would void the "wear" warantee on the fabric, if there was one, if the fabric was treated with any chemical. That is because chemicals can weaken the fibers and they refuse to be responsible after that. It is really hard to give up that "stain treatment" that was such a great option when it became available years ago. I also came to rely on it. But it isn't really necessary anymore with most modern fabrics and can create more problems than it solves. Go with untreated microfiber, a dark synthetic, or leather, IMHO. Its going to be hard to get salesmen to stop selling something that brings in more money, especially when people are so conditioned to think they need it that they actually insist on paying for it, even after they are told they don't need it, and especially when they become suspicious when honest places stop offering an unneeded and potentially detremental treatment. By the way, I was told this by Stickley, by the sofa manufacturer Temple, by my local furntiure dealer who sells numerous brands but is quite reputable, and by the local dept store where I bought my microfiber sofa and where they have already switched to offering an "insurance" rather than a treatment. If they are willing to insure it against stains with no treatment, they must be pretty sure that is really the best option. I might still go for it or, better yet, the insurance, if I ordered a white or very light cotton, becuase I have been conditioned to think the same way you have. But I am really starting to believe them now. Personally, I would rather have the insurance than the treatment, since it would not void any warantees but they would absorb the cost if it did get stained.

Sue


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RE: Is Scotchguarding necessary?

The only time I ever hear about Scotchgaurding and warranties is when someone is cussing about how the store is weaseling out of the deal.

You can buy a whole lot of Oxyclean for the price of that treatment.


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RE: Is Scotchguarding necessary?

read thes for some history of the old scotguard, your health and our environment...
http://www.chemicalindustryarchives.org/dirtysecrets/scotchgard/1.asp

http://www.protectingourhealth.org/press/2003/2003-0622-SJMN-scotchgard.htm

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/2005/02/toxictraces/timeline.php


and to be balanced, a Q&A from 3M' own public relations about the current products. If you do a google search, you won't find much on the effects of the new scotchguard formulation as it's still pretty new. If it was me, I'd skip the product line entirely, and encourage eating and drinking at the dining table.

What you should know about 3M’s "next generation" ScotchgardTM Protector products.


Click here
to learn more
about 3M’s
"next generation"
Scotchgard™ Protector products.
Q: I thought 3M phased out of Scotchgard™ Protector?
A: In May 2000, 3M made a voluntary decision to phase out its production of products having perfluorooctanyl chemistry which included Perfluorooctanoic Acid (PFOA), Perfluorooctane Sulfonate (PFOS), and PFOS-related products, which included many Scotchgard™ Protector products and applications.
However, 3M subsequently developed unique new technologies that allowed us to reformulate our Scotchgard™ Protector products. These reformulated products provide equal or sometimes better protection performance characteristics than the former products while being much more favorable from an environmental, health and safety aspect.

Q: Are Scotchgard™ Protector products safe to use?
A: Yes. 3M products sold under the Scotchgard™ Brand have been thoroughly tested and are safe for their intended uses.

Q: Is this also applicable to Scotchgard™ Carpet and Upholstery Protector used by professional cleaners in either residential or commercial applications?
A: Yes

Q: How do the new Scotchgard™ Protector formulations differ from the prior formulations?
A: New products carrying the Scotchgard™ Brand name are based on new unique fluorochemical technologies. They are not based on PFOA or PFOS chemistry.

Q: 5. Why use fluorochemicals at all?
A: Fluorochemical technologies are critical to the development of high-quality, high performance protective materials. To date, no other class of materials has been found that repels soils and stains as effectively as fluorochemicals. Through the use of these protectors, a wide variety of products typically have an extended useful life. For example, carpets last longer and look better for an extended period of time. Stain protection for clothing and leather goods helps provide a longer and more useful life before replacement. Fluorochemical additives used in household paint, tile grout, wood flooring, resilient flooring, and other hard surface applications, allow for easy cleaning of surfaces because of the protective coating. There are a wide variety of benefits when everyday products have extended periods of useful life.

Q: Where can I get information about 3M products marketed under the Scotchgard™ Brand?
A: For product information, visit our web site at

www.Scotchgard.com

If you would like to talk to someone about a specific question, please call our customer help line at

1-888-3MHELPS (1-888-364-3577)

Q: Have regulatory concerns about PFOA or PFOS affected the value or importance of the Scotchgard™ Brand?
A: Recent surveys have shown that the Scotchgard™ Brand remains one of the most trusted and best known brands of protective treatment, enjoying nearly 99% consumer recognition.

Q: I have seen references to PFOA and PFOS in the news. What are these chemicals, and does 3M make them?
A: PFOA is an abbreviation for Perfluorooctanoic Acid.
PFOS is an abbreviation for Perfluoroocatane Sulfonic Acid or sulfonate.
3M made a voluntary decision to phase out perfluorooctanyl based chemistry (PFOA, PFOS and PFOS-related products) in May of 2000, and completed its phase out of PFOS production in 2002. 3M no longer manufactures PFOA. PFOA is used onsite in Europe by a subsidiary that recovers and recycles PFOA for internal use as a necessary manufacturing aid in the production of fluoropolymers.

Q: Do Scotchgard™ Protector products contain any PFOA or PFOS?
A: Scotchgard™ Protector products manufactured after December 31, 2000, are not made with or degrade to PFOA or PFOS.

Q: Why did 3M discontinue the manufacture of PFOS-based products?
A: 3M’s voluntary phase out decision in May 2000 was taken after research indicated that PFOS at very low levels was widely dispersed in wildlife around the world and also had been detected at low levels in people. Although extensive research showed there were no adverse health effects at the levels found, 3M did not want to add to the presence of this persistent compound in the environment or in people. Instead, 3M decided to invest in developing more sustainable substitute technologies. These efforts led to the introduction of the reformulated technologies behind products carrying the Scotchgard™ Brand name.

Q: Does 3M’s new Scotchgard™ Protector technology have any similar issues?
A: No. 3M’s new fluorochemical technologies have been extensively tested which show they are stable polymers with minimal to no environmental impact and have minimal toxicity, even when given in large doses in laboratory tests. In addition, the new fluorochemical technologies are based on materials that will not bioaccumulate in people or wildlife. These new products not only have excellent protection performance, but they also have a very favorable environmental, health and safety profile.


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