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Check out my sloppy walnut floor installation

pumpkinhouse
9 years ago

I had brushed American walnut flooring put in most of the main floor of my new house. Needless to say it cost big bucks. There are a few floor outlets in the wood that they cut around. This is where the problems started...the installer did a lousy job making the cuts and the outlet covers do not cover them. He is full of excuses, saying he was told they would cover 1/2" beyond the PVC pipe. We measured and some of these cuts go beyond 3/4". Whatever, he only needed 1/4" for his expansion joint, so he was just being sloppy. So he comes back and totally goops epoxy in the holes and manages to slop it all over the adjacent planks as well. It looks literally like poop.
Besides the outlets, there are these big gaps all over between the planks. You can see the lighter wood underneath and junk is accumulating in them. I can fit a dime and even a quarter in some of them.
I also suspect they did not install temperature sensors underneath the floor, which is required for the warranty to be valid. Grrrr why can't anything go right with my house? The installer starts to get an attitude with me so I did a background check on him and he has a criminal history. Even if I felt he could fix this floor, I can't let him in my house.
The floor was purchased from a reputable store in town and they selected this installer.

Comments (18)

  • pumpkinhouse
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Epoxy slopped all over.

  • pumpkinhouse
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    One of many gaps with a quarter in it

  • gregmills_gw
    9 years ago

    What has the store said who sent this installer out? Have they been any help?

  • pumpkinhouse
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    The sales guy hasn't said much, just that I should let them come back to scrape off the epoxy on top.

  • gregmills_gw
    9 years ago

    Did they say anything about the gaps?

    The outlet work is horrible. they shouldnt even be messing with epoxy, they should have just reworked that area.

    and the gaps need to be addressed. a quarter should not fit in any gap.

    If the store wont do anything more, that's when you get a certified floor inspector.

  • momfromthenorth
    9 years ago

    Honestly, I wouldn't be so concerned about the gaps in the wood planks. Wood is going to expand in the summer when it gets warm and the humidity rises. In the winter it will contract. Walk into any old home with wood floors in the winter and you will see large gaps between the planks.

    If you wedge that wood in so tight in the winter then come summer you're going to have cupping or buckling of some sort. No way around it. The wood just has to have somewhere to go - 'tis the nature of wood. If it's engineered wood - as that appears to be - there will be less movement but still there will be some. Solid wood flooring will have more movement between the seasons.

    The cutting around the outlets is another matter altogether. That's just sloppy work. I would have them remove those planks and redo it. (Not by the same person either.)

    I would for sure show that to an inspector if the store where you bought it won't stand behind their installation.

  • gregmills_gw
    9 years ago

    no seasonal movement will ever close that gap, the one with the quarter almost looks like one board may be a bad mill, hence the gap. there is a tolerance for gaps that's deemed acceptable, but its way smaller than what a quarter can fit.

    Any gap that a quarter can fit should be addressed. hands down.

  • glennsfc
    9 years ago

    This shows the problem with the flooring industry today. There are very few certified installers in the business anymore. Since most dealers will not pay what the work is worth, they scrape the bottom of the barrel and this is what the consumer gets as a value added end result (sarcasm).

  • pprioroh
    9 years ago

    And that kind of work is why people stay at the bottom of the social scale. Criminal record, well there's a big surprise...

    Anyone with a parent that even tried to teach them the value of doing a good job would be horrified at that work.

    If the store truly recommended this guy or in any way arranged him to be in your home, I would take pictures, walk into the store that recommended this contractor and tell them to send someone else out to fix it, on their dime.

  • pumpkinhouse
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    This is a floating floor over radiant heat. I thought that the boards were supposed to be attached to each other (hence no gaps) and the entire floor expands and contracts together. At least that's what the sales guy told us for why we needed a floating floor.
    I think this also explains why the installer doesn't want to replace just a few boards around the outlets. You run the risk of problems down the road, plus it sounds tricky to do.
    Yes, the store hired this guy to do the install. I guess no one does background checks, or cares what the results would be anyway.
    How do I find an independant flooring consultant in my area?

  • gregmills_gw
    9 years ago

    http://woodfloors.org/certified-inspector.aspx

    just fill it out and it should tell you the closest guy in your area.

  • pumpkinhouse
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Check out my floors can do!

    They had the flooring manufacturer rep here yesterday to check things out. He couldn't say for sure why they have failed. I am waiting patiently for their decision on who will be paying to redo it.

  • pumpkinhouse
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Sort of good news, they are replacing the entire floor. Good because hopefully this problem will be fixed. Bad because I don't think I can live in the house for the few days it will take. All I've heard it that it is an installation problem. The thing is, they want to send the same criminal who messed it up the first time. I don't think so.

    The next issue on the horizon is the carpet pad...apparently they used one with too high an R value for radiant heat. The only way to remedy this is to replace all the pads. I am going to have a new house with nothing original in it.

  • gregmills_gw
    9 years ago

    that's good to hear they are replacing the floor. I wouldn't trust that installer either, the work around the outlet alone is enough to make me shy away from his "craftsmanship" let alone the epoxy mess too.

    hopefully this install goes smoothly and you wont be put out too long.

    share completed pics please!

  • jellytoast
    9 years ago

    Stand your ground on keeping the original installer out of the "re-do" picture. Good luck, I hope it goes smoothly.

  • azmom
    9 years ago

    Did they install temperature sensors underneath the floor?

    Once this installation is done, will someone from floor manufacturer sign off the work so that you will get warranty for sure?

    Speaking about employee background check....A few years ago I was working out of state staying at an apartment. I learned from the onsite maintenance person that the previous employee she replaced was a criminal who had several rape cases on his record. Before they found out and fired him, he had a master key so that he could enter any unit for maintenance work.

  • User
    9 years ago

    Whoah, hold it's over radiant heat? THAT could be the reason for your problems right there. Radiant heat is only approved to go over certain width wood floors, and in certain conditions. You cannot use a traditional high temperature water system with wood floors. The water has to be below 85ð, and the design of the whole system has to be changed to compensate for the lower water temperature. If your HVAC designer designed the system incorrectly, you could end up having the same problem (minus the poor craftsmanship) with any replacement wood. You need to find your documentation on your radiant heating and have a meeting with the GC about this.

  • susanlynn2012
    9 years ago

    I am interested in this thread as I may want to do radiant heat for my bedroom floors.