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Posted by debbie_2008 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 6, 09 at 1:07
| I just had black river hickory hardwood floors installed. In a few boards I not only have knots BUT knot holes and elongated dark places opened (split) in the center. I love this floor but the severity of some of the knots worry me. I should add, they appear deep but do not go all the way thru the wood...in other words, I don't see the subfloor under them. The wood is 3/4 inch solid wood
Is it likely these will worsen over time?
TIA |
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| here are a couple of my concerns. These pics were taken close up. You dont see the yuck in it unless you get down to look at it. If removing one board wouldn't they have to remove others up to the wall? I HOPE NOT. |
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| What does your installer say? I wonder why those boards were even used in the first place. We just had hickory installed, too, but it was engineered wood. Although there are knots, etc., they are completely smooth and solid. We asked the installer to put the more unattractive ones under where heavy furniture would be, or use them on the ends, where they could cut off the offensive parts. Good luck! |
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| legallin, I haven't spoken to the installer. I did speak to my salesman and he said its a characteristic of Hickory. I realize that, but these are extreme IMO. The salesman said if need be, ONLY those boards can be removed and replaced. A friend of mine said NO to that. I don't see how they can remove them without damaging other boards since they are tongue and groove and nailed. The installers are the store subs or employees. I did it that way so if there were problems down the road, one couldn't blame it on the other. I've heard horror stories about buying and hiring your own installers...I wasn't going there. I hope it pays off for me because I could have gotten this wood installed cheaper. I'm betting these people will say its fine. That's why I'm posting so I have some knowledge to argue with, if they are wrong. |
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| The salesman said if need be, ONLY those boards can be removed and replaced. A friend of mine said NO to that. I don't see how they can remove them without damaging other boards since they are tongue and groove and nailed. Sure they can. Is your friend saying they should replace the entire floor, or what? |
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| idrive...yes my friend's hubby said the entire floor or at best from that board on. I'm happy to hear he is wrong! I love this floor,and I didn't want to start over with all the dust. I was wondering why save extra wood,if it can't be used. Thank you so much for responding. |
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As it's the very dark parts, maybe you could use a filler and it wouldn't be hard to match. Just a thought :-)
Lisa |
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| It's hard to tell in the pictures, but I think your knots and cracks look a lot like what I have in my hickory floors. They also look like the knots my sister has had in her white oak floors for 7 yrs. You could fill them, but they won't be nearly as pretty. I'm not an expert, but they look like what we put in our house and have been told they are fine. If you're not comfortable, then keep asking them questions about replacing or possibly filling later. |
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| I'm answering as a former factory rep. The culling of boards is totally dependent on the installer. Nothing you show would be considered a defect. Its a characteristic of wood. Yes, absolutely a board replacement can be done on the boards you don't like. Did you discuss your expectations with the installer before he did the job? |
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| I realize it is a characteristic of Hickory and I am keeping many many such places, but not to the extreme of what I posted here. Thanks for the suggestion to fill them, but I think I'd leave them as is or replace them over filling. I'm not sure about filling or how it would look. The floor is truly a beautiful floor with the exception of the photos posted IMO. And, I don't call them ugly, just a bit worrisome. There is one board with a split in it (not pictured) that must go. I will see what the installer has to say about the knot holes and make a final decision. They are coming back Monday. Boxer, I didn't discuss this with the installer because I really had no idea there would be any holes this large. Color me green. |
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| don't be too hard on yourself. I just had a kitchen remodeled and boy do I know now what to ask before it all starts. We all learn by experience. |
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| Installers came back. They replace the board with the split and one other board...both had to go. As for the board with the larger holes...he asked if he could use filler and stain the filler (filler was dark to start with). If I didn't like it, they would remove and replace. Let me say it was beautiful. I LOVE this floor and wouldn't trade it for anything. Thanks all for your help, info, and advice. |
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| so glad this worked out for you. i was following this thread and biting my nails. :) |
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| "I'm answering as a former factory rep. The culling of boards is totally dependent on the installer. Nothing you show would be considered a defect. Its a characteristic of wood." Great excuse for poor workmanship. While the material is expected to contain some defects, if the number gets excessive the wood is out of grade. Those boards should never have been laid with the defects they have. The installer was just lazy and did not want to cut them out and deal with cutting a new tongue or groove in the end, or use the piece(s) to end or start a strip. It is like the cabinet makers saying sap wood is not a grading defect, so you have to expect it in the finished product. The sap wood should either be cut away or stained to blend into the heartwood. They do not want the waste of cutting it away, or the labor of finishing it to match the heartwood. |
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| I think your floors are absolutely beautiful. I actually love the look of the knots but certainly understand your concern. I am glad it worked out and that they were able to fix them to your satisfaction. Enjoy! Can you tell me the brand and type of floors that you used? Are they solid or engineered? Why did you choose what you did?
We are in the process of looking for a floor for our LR, DR and possibly den and are really in need of some guidance. Like everyone else, we want durability and beauty!!!! Thanks!! |
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