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Handscraped hardwood -- will it become dated?

Posted by carsonheim (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 12:11

So we are in the process of building a new home. We are considering a medium-dark handscraped hickory flooring. However, I'm wondering if this is the "avocado green appliances" of flooring. I know it is quite trendy right now, but I'm wondering if in 10 years it will be passe'.

I had a laminate counter in the first home I ever purchased, and it was textured. That counter collected dirt in each of those little crevices, and it drove me nuts. I often wondered, "what on earth were the builders thinking to put this in???" I'm wondering if future buyers of my home might wonder that about the flooring...

Anyone else care to weigh in on this?


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RE: Handscraped hardwood -- will it become dated?

Yes, it will quickly be dated, as will most "flavor of the month" trends. Not to mention what it looks like in the meantime.

To anyone who knows what a hand planed/scraped wood surface is supposed to look like what they sell as "handscraped flooring" is just a bad joke. It's just another way to disguise a bad, cheaply done surface and market it as a feature rather than a bug, much like the prefinished flooring with the v-grooves between every board.


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RE: Handscraped hardwood -- will it become dated?

rwiegand, thank you very much for your information. What kind of floor would you suggest? I am still struggling.


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We are going to have hand scraped hardwood floors installed in our new build. We are building a "french country" style house on a 5 acre country lot. The style of the house (and our style of decorating) will coordinate nicely with the flooring. As for it being "dated" in the future, I have seen these floors for years and years in this style of decorating....think Four Seasons in Scottsdale...rustic yet classic.


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It's already dated. The next trend is a backlash against the too dark floors that show everything. Back to "limewashed" floors again. (Not to be confused with 80's whitewashed floors.)


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I agree it will become dated eventually. In my area a few years ago everyone was getting a dark stained floor and now that fad is over. Not to mention many of those people are not happy with it.

Another thing to keep in mind is if you put in 3/4" handscraped it can be sanded in the future but will require a lot of meat to be sanded off to get the scraped marks out and thus limited the life of the wood.

Anything thinner you probably wont be able to sand at all.


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I think it's more about taste and in the case of where Kathi resides it will remain in style. But for other areas it will eventually go by the wayside. What most are not recognizing in what Greg mentions, can the floor be refinished for a new buyer if you do go with hand scraped.

For most engineered the answer is most likely no. Not only because of the depth of the scraping but the bevel design. Some of them take quite a "dive" off the edge of the board. I think the idea below is ideal for those that have those resale concerns.

It's called cross scraped hardwood with common solid 3/4" inch hardwood. No bevels and no deep scraping, where the floor can be refinished flat if need be. It's different but not everybody is doing it. I first heard of the idea through a Dallas contractor.

I only wish he had a video that showed the entire procedure. Costs aren't that high either, but that's for a common 2 1/4" strip floor.

Here is a link that might be useful: Scroll down to custom hand scraped floors


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rwiegand said: "To anyone who knows what a hand planed/scraped wood surface is supposed to look like what they sell as "handscraped flooring" is just a bad joke."

That comment is spot on correct. Those distressed or hand scraped floors that look authentic will never 'go out of style' in a residence where the hand scraped floor treatment coordinates with the architecture and overall design concept. Much of what tries to pass as authentic is the joke.


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"Those distressed or hand scraped floors that look authentic will never 'go out of style' in a residence where the hand scraped floor treatment coordinates with the architecture and overall design concept."

:D


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It may be dated in the design world, but it's something that is so practical for so many people that it may outlive the prediction of it's demise. Many people have pets and kids and don't want their new floors to look like they do. If they are "proofed" against the wear and tear by being pre-distressed, they can relax a lot more and let the cat chase the dog or the kid roll their Tonka truck across it.

Living has become much more casual, and this type of floor reflects that. All that's needed is to have a similar transformation for the architecture that surrounds the modern floorplan with the distressed floors. Typical architecture still has the outward formality of a a French chateau or a Federalist manor. Modern open plan living is dissonant when trapped in such an exterior. Not to mention the awkward top hat roofs that result from having a home almost as deep as it is wide.


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Authentic scraped floors are scraped so well that you would never know they are scraped because they are meant to give you a flat surface without sanding. I have no idea why people want a floor that would make chairs and tables wobble. The aluminum oxide that covers the wood leaves horrible white marks at the slightest provocation. Face it, dogs and kids scratch floors. The best you can do is get one that you can refinish easily. Aluminum oxide white scratches do not come out easily. If you really care about a quality floor that you can maintain and hide scratches, talk to a professional finisher. Those flooring stores and builders only sell you plastic coated floors that do not hold up. Consider an oil finish on site because they are easy to touch up.


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The hand-scraped finish does not have crevices like your counter top had. I happen to love that finish. It wouldn't become dated because it is just a finish on a flooring, like a choice between high gloss, satin finish or flat. Tiling is the same. You can get it high gloss, flat, hand-scraped and I don't know how many other choices there are. It isn't a fad or a strikingly different from anything ever done color trend, like the avocado kitchens. The problem with those was that one had no choice in color decor. A floor finish is entirely different.


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I've never found a manufactured "hand-scraped" product that looks anything like the floor I had when there was a guy who actually came to my house and "hand-sculpted" the floors. Are the floors you are considering going to be finished on site or will there be a crew actually doing the work of hand-scraping it? When the flooring salesmen tried to convince me that the pre-finished stuff is scraped by hand, there was no way I would believe it - I imagined some poor soul in China at a rack with 100 planers affixed to it pushing and pulling mass quantity of hand-scraping "by hand." A technicality at best.

I think the extra wide, extra distressed floors are a fad. When I visit my friend's 100 year old house and look at her 2 1/4 strip medium tone oak floor, and it still looks good to me, I think it has more staying power. But we'll all be getting our bell bottoms out again in about 20 years - so like most things, I bet it will come back around, you'll just have to wait for it. Do what you like best and don't worry about anyone else.


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These unnatural machined looking floors will surely go out of favor. But they will likely need to be replaced before too long anyway. Today's floors do not last forever like the old ones do. If you can do solid, site finished, it is worth it.


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Yes, flavor-of-the-month trends like handscraped floors, dark-wood floors, linear-random mosaic backsplashes, etc. will quickly go out of style in a few years time, and will be thought of in the same way that orange and yellow overload was done in the 70s, and brass beds and brass home accents were done in the 80s. It's just trend of the moment type stuff.Lime washed floors, if they indeed become all the rage, will also be passe in a few years. For this reason, I think it's best to add value by doing the MAJOR upgrades in a style that is timeless, rather than the trend of the moment. The majority of potential buyers will not be disappointed to open the door and see a classic, beautifully finished, grainy wood floor. But in a few years time, they might be underwhelmed to see a very specific floor whose 'trend heydey' came and went a few years ago like a flash in the pan.


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I'm sorry but THIS
http://duchateaufloors.com/product/fine-sawn-olde-dutch/

will NEVER go out of style.
But of course you get what you pay for.


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Curious what tools are required for a "real" handscraped floor. I'm currently refinishing a small area of maple hardwood that's original to my house, and would like to try the technique. (And yes, I have patience for tedious work.) Any advice?


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IF you are not going to be selling your house in the next few years, go with what YOU like. There is on right or wrong--these are just floors we are talking about!

I think they are pretty and add character but again that is my opinion.


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Before sanding machines were invented, an artisan would come to a home after the floors were installed and take a knife and scrape off lumps and bumps and smooth the transitions between boards by hand. Remember that boards back then were cut by hand so you could have a few millimeters difference in the thickness of the boards and if you didn't smooth that transition, you would be constantly tripping) A good scraper would do such a wonderful job that you wouldn't know that the floors had been scraped. There were no grooves or other obvious marks of his work. That is what real hand scraping is. The floor could then be oiled and you would have a flat smooth floor. This is pretty much a dead art because a sanding machine does a wonderful job in a fraction of the time.

Now what is called hand scraping by flooring manufacturers is actually mimicking a completely separate thing. What happens over the years to old floors is that foot traffic wears the boards over time. Different boards show this wear differently based on the wood itself. So softer spots of the wood that get a lot of foot traffic will develop a sort of rut wear pattern within the board. After a long time, the floor may take on a wavy appearance over an entire room. On a floor that has been worn this way, you rarely see multiple waves within a single board and definitely not in a 4 inch wide board. What flooring manufacturers are doing now is putting these waves artificially on narrow boards that would probably never develop these waves naturally because the board isn't wide enough to develop these wear patterns. Sure these waves are put in the board "by hand" (mechanical or otherwise) but they have nothing to do with true hand scraping which would never allow for those waves. If a hand scraper left those waves in the floor, they would never get another job!

I agree, if you like hand scraped floors, by all means, get them. Your home should be what you like and there is no way to future proof anything. No matter what you do, it will look dated in 20 years. No way around it. I think hand scraped floors can look nice in the right spaces. I would never have them, but I definitely appreciate why people like them.


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A friend of ours has miles of hand scraped walnut in a very upscale home.

They have a large dog and the dog's nails have still scratched the heck out of the floors...


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Ocpoolguy, those are beautiful floors. I remember the company from Houzz. But I bet they are out of my price range.

It seems like I can't get away from handscraped. This finish was always last on my wish list. But for some reason, my final selections always ended up being handscraped. My criteria was based on species (had to be durable with a good janka rating), color (medium, not too dark), and a price range of under $10 per square.

But, handscraped suits the look of our Spanish ranch style home so I'm ok with it.


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Hardwood floors, handscraped or not aren't going any where any time soon! Get what you love, and don't worry about what will be "trending" on GW in ten years....


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I did not like or want hardwood until I saw the 5" handscraped.

I grew up with hardwood and remember the constant dust mopping and draftiness of a room with hardwood. After seeing friends install the 2-3" hardwood years ago and the scratches and damage that occurred (kids and dogs), it confirmed my distaste for the flooring.

I saw the darker distressed hardwood and changed my mind. I picked my product and tested it by taking a hardwood sample from a flooring company and scratching my housekey on it. It did not leave a scratch or mark. Mine was installed last year and I could not be happier. I wanted to install it in my entire house. I have talked 2 friends who were carpet people and hated hardwood into installing it in their houses.

As far as trends, I don't care about that. Everything comes and goes in time.

This post was edited by cricket49 on Tue, Dec 31, 13 at 18:42


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Cricket49, did you get real hardwood or engineered hardwood? I've been out all day looking at flooring and decided on the engineered Bruce Hickory Golden Brown Frontier Collection. Then I read these comments...argh! It has an aluminum oxide coating and the comments about leaving white marks make me nervous. I would love to hear more about your floor. We have to go engineered because we are installing over concrete slab.


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Cricket49, I forgot to check the box for email responses. Doing so now. I anxiously await your response!


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realtrridy,

I tried to send you an email but it does not allow from your profile page. Do you have it set up to receive emails?

I bought the engineered hardwood in elm which is dark. We installed it on a concrete slab, I don't know what the white mark comment means since we have not experienced marks or scratches. We did put down felt pads (sticky) on all our furniture legs because we knew that would keep the floors looking good.


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Thanks, cricket49! It was set up to receive emails. Not sure why it isn't now.


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I just had birch installed in my house. It's slightly less than 5" wide and mimics maple (color) but has more movement. It's supposed to be "handscraped" but there isn't much actual handscraped markings. My dogs will probably change that though. I love the color and look. I hope they last. If not, I may have to have them refinished some day. I wanted hickory but couldn't afford it. I had light orangy oak but ripped it out (I hated it).

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Just to respond to realtrlady re: aluminum oxide coating....

We have engineered hardwood with that coating. I've been EXTREMELY pleased with how these floors have worn. They don't scratch easily but when they do scratch, I take either a Minwax wax pencil or Minwax stain marker, carefully apply it to the scratch, and then buff. Our floors have a satin finish and I make sure to look at the floor from all angles in different light to ensure that the "repair" doesn't have a noticeably different sheen than the rest of the floor. Only certain scratches will look white and that disappears even if I just take a damp paper towel (or wet finger!) and rub the area. The stain also takes care of it. The stain typically doesn't penetrate, because the scratches aren't getting through the aluminum oxide surface. I'm not even sure how to explain what it does, but it just helps to blend out the scratch.

Our floors also happen to be that machined "hand-scraped" finish. Fortunately the satin finish makes the waviness less obvious than would a higher-gloss finish. I do think it will ultimately seem dated, but fortunately the floors are otherwise very standard-looking.... typical oak floors and you need to be viewing the floor from a certain angle to even notice the hand-scraped look. I think a very dark floor that is hand-scraped will ultimately look more dated, mainly because dark floors are also a trend. We went with the hand-scraped not because we loved it, but because we wanted the easy installation of a floating engineered floor, really wanted the low-gloss of a satin finish, wanted boards a certain width, and wanted to stay in a certain price range. We couldn't find all that without the hand-scraped finish.

This post was edited by lizzie_nh on Mon, Jan 13, 14 at 17:37


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Thanks, lizzie_nh! That's exactly what I needed to know. You said you floated your floor? I have a slab and they said they would be gluing to the slab. No underlayment of any kind.


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In our last home we installed engineered hardwoods with an aluminum oxide finish. I believe the color was gunstock. We have 3 big dogs. If one looked closely, grooves from the dogs' nails were visible. There were no white scratch marks, and I never had to fill in a scratch. We moved about 6 months ago and I'm looking at the same type of flooring for this house. I really like the look. The care is so easy, and that is a HUGE factor for me.


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Semi hijacking....
realtrrldy, did you have those bruce floors installed? Would love to hear feedback and see pictures!


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