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Quadra Fire 7100 fp

Posted by qbs413 (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 30, 04 at 9:52

Hi all. I ususally just browse through these postings and find them quite informative. So, I thought I'd ask for opinions. We are planning to build a new house and want to heat with wood. I have had, and heated with, a Quadra Fire 3100 step top for the past 3 years. We want the new house to have a traditional looking fireplace in the living room. Has anyone had any experience with the new 7100fp? How well will ducting this unit to other areas work? Thoughts and comments appreciated.

Andy


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

I have one but haven't been able to use it yet. I should be able to fire it up within a few weeks.

I didn't use their ductwork because the manual said it would/could affect the fire. Instead I plan to use the fireplace blower and just turn my furnace to fan only when I want to heat with it.

Good luck.


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I shopped around and went with the Quad 7100. I have only had it running a few weeks now, but have to admit that I am disappointed. They make a big deal about the automatic damper adjustment that chokes off the fire as the logs begin to burn - that feature just does not work. Even the service guy who worked on it twice said the the manufacturer told him it does not work. The bottom of the firebox has an access panel for getting to the fan. You will have to drill the screw heads off to gain access, because after the first fire the factory installed screws swell and cannot be removed. You can reseal it with high temp silicone instead of screws (again, advice direct from manufacturer). The front panel gets very hot, even with the fan blowing, and deforms. Mine was grouted flush into a stone wall, and after the first fire the front panel developed a permanent bow with about a 1/4" gap between the center of the front plate at the top and the wall it was grouted into. Grout still flicks off with every fire. The thermostat that controls the blower fan is located down beneath the firebox, so you have to heat up the bricks to a high temp before the fan will come on. You can probably avoid this if you wire it with a manual on switch and then just use the thermostat to turn off the blower when the fire has cooled. My electrician just wired a rheostat into the thermostat, so my blower will not come on until afer the fire has been burning for almost 90 minutes. Finally, there is a fair amount of cold air that leaks into the bottom of the room air intake vent when you are not using the fireplace. We installed an outside air recirculation option as well as the outside combustion air, and perhaps this is where the outside air comes in from. It is a problem. Although we selected this over the Fireplace Xtraordinaire 44 because this was significanlty less expensive, I am already regretting that decision. I will admit that it kicks out a lot of heat, though. Even on a low burn, it heats our large great room to the point that we open bedroom doors and run the ceiling fans to distribute heat elsewhere.


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Jim,

Sorry to say this, but I hope you got the lemon. I can't believe the front is warping like that. That piece costs way too much money to have a problem like that.

Do you have any pics of your installation? I'm having a hard time deciding how to finish mine out.

Chris


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Chris -
Sorry, I do not have a place where I can post linkable pictures, so I will describe. We have it set in a great room interior wall. The room is 2 stories high, with 10' between floor, so the wall is 20+ feet tall and about 15 feet wide. It is all stone (mixed chilton and fon-du-lac type ledgestone). The fireplace is set into the wall on a raied stone hearth that runs the length of the wall. There is no separate surround. The mantle is a simple large Jatoba wood slab (matches hardwood floor) that is about 2-1/2 feet above the top of the fireplace. The fireplace looks kind of small on this huge stone wall, but that is partly because we have not done much decorating yet. I suspect that the problem I have with bowing of the front is due to the fireplace being grouted into a stone wall that is not going to "give" at all as the metal expands. If you want to do something like that, I would suggest looking into some sort of high-temp caulk between the fireplace front and the stone, so that the front could expand slightly as it warms. Because the other issues seem inherent in the fireplace design, however, I am not sure that mine is a "lemon". If you find some other advice here or elsewhere about this particular fireplace, please post - I have not been able to learn much from other owners.


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OK, I spoke to the field support engineer today, and he implied that my problems with the 7100 are a combination of design and installation issues. 1) The warping of the front fascia is apparently due to the grout coming right up to the steel front (as shown in the picture in their sales brochure). The service engineer said that there is supposed to be a 1/8" gap between the front panel and all sides in order to accomodate expansion. 2) The "automatic combustion control" feature is supposed to work, and he thinks that mine is broken. He denies that Quadrafire is having lots of complaints about this, or that it "just does not work" as my local installer told me. He thought that the local guy was passing the buck because it will be such a bear to fix - have to remove the front panel, which is currently cemented in place. 3) The cold draft when not in use is an admitted design flaw with a factory retrofit available at no cost to consumer. The retrofit involves taking the front off, cutting into the ductwork and inserting some control mechanism which can then manually be cranked to close off the outside air duct. He said it looks like major surgery, but when everything is put back together, all you see is another control lever or knob at the lower right side of the front panel. Overall, he was sympathetic and assured me that they would strive to make my installation work properly. I hope that my dealer/installer feels the same way.


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Jim I am also hoping that your problems are not serious, and are taken care of. We just put a 20% deposit down on a quad 7100fp. After much research I decided on the quad over the Xtraordinaire elite 36 or 44 mainly becasue of cost as well. I am located in lower Michigan and plan to use this as way of keeping the propane bill reasonable. I too am planning on the fan kit but was planning on routing the air into my return air duct on my furnace system. Are you saying the fan on the quad doesn't distribute the heat through out your home? Also I am going with the optional dura/plus chimney over the sl300 becasue I am planing on buring this unit daily. How well does the wood burn down? I would really like to see pictures of yor install as we just getting stone ideas.

Thanks


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akiszka: You might want to check up on the ability to have the Quadrafire fan kit vent into your return air plenum. That was what I was initially planning on doing with mine too, but the fine print in the instructions said that was not a valid install configuration.

On each of the fireplaces I had the two fan kits attached to distribute the air to other rooms. They look just like regular forced air vents, but have a small electric fan just inside them to pull air from the fireplace. I have not been able to run mine yet so I can not comment on how well they distribute heat throughout my home.


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I finally got a copy of the heat-zone-wood instructions today and saw that fine print and the design. A may just skip the heat zone's since they are 160$ each option. I was hoping they were more like the extrodinairs positive pressure kit large blower forcing the outside air through the convection chamber to be heated and pushed out into the room. How well does the built in fan move air?


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No experience yet with the actual operation of the fans. Although I hope to be able to actually test them by the end of the month as I should be in the home by then. I also ran into my installer yesterday and asked him about Jim_MIs point on the 1/8" gap and how he made sure the stone masons would put it there. He said he normally just puts a temporary strip of material in the area where the gap is supposed to be and removes it after the masons are done.

Jim_MI do you have any other information on your saga with your 7100? I do not seem to have the cold draft problem so hopefully this is something that they have managed to fix since you bought yours.


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Thanks everyone for their input. Yimminy, I am looking forward to hearing about your experience with the remote blowers, we're very interested in this option. If we go with the 7100, it probably won't be installed until next fall.
Andy


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I was going to purchase the heat zone kits until I read the small print too. If I remember correctly, you will need to have a pretty big fire to be able to run all of the fans together.

My buddy installed my furnace, so I just put a return air vent in the area of the FP and plan to run my furnace on fan only when I want to heat with wood.

Also, on the bottom right of my FP I have an outside air shutoff already made into my FP. I can't find anything about it in the book, but I think thats what it is.


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Could someone direct me to the 'small print' that's being referred to? I just read the installation manual and couldn't find anything regarding the operation of the heat zone kits.

Thanks.
Andy


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Regarding hooking the heat zone kits up to the return air plenum I believe it is in the installation manual for those kits. I looked at the Quadrafire site, but I could not find an electronic copy of that manual. Perhaps you can ask your local distributor for a copy of the instructions.


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The manual can be found at the following site:

http://www.quadrafire.com/products/fireplaces/woodFireplaceDetail.asp?f=7100fp

Thanks for the note on expansion caulking around the unit. It's not in the manual (that I could find).

I did not see anything about ducting the optional remote heat zone into a furnace return duct for whole house distribution. It may be against code. I'm just planning to install some furnace return ducts high on the wall in the room where the fireplace is installed.

Thanks for the postings. I have been looking at 7100 vs Fireplace Xtrordinair and am leaning toward 7100.


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Thanks for the link DeepCreek. I'd found the installation manual, but couldn't find anything referencing previous posters statements like these:

"I was going to purchase the heat zone kits until I read the small print too. If I remember correctly, you will need to have a pretty big fire to be able to run all of the fans together"

"I finally got a copy of the heat-zone-wood instructions today and saw that fine print and the design."

Can anyone direct me to the 'fine print'?
Thanks.
Andy


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We are also getting ready to purchase a high effic fireplace. we are tearing out our other zero clearance box that serves no purpose. i am b/w the fireplace Xtrordinair and the quadrafire 7100. i've searched the internet and can not find any comments or opinons on the quadrafire at all.
i live in md. and can't find a dealer for the Xtrord.


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Try Warners in Cumberland Maryland. 301 724-0774

There is also a dealer locator on their website

http://www.fireplacextrordinair.com/

I've heard great things about the unit


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qbs413. There is a separate installation guide for the remote heat zone kit (which I don't have either). Maybe if you contact tech support at website?


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Jim MI
Do you have the contact info for the field support engineer. I a getting ready to install my 7100 FP and would like more info on this retrofit before I install it so I will be saved the trouble of tearing it apart after the fact.
Thanks
dk


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dk,

Look at the bottom right of your fireplace and see if there is a small rod that will stick out through the face. I never even noticed it on mine until I was installing the front panel. I haven't had time to look this little turn knob up in the manual, but the install kit for the face plate mentioned that it was to control outside air.

I purchased my FP at least 3 months ago to beat a price increase so I am guessing Jim MI must have had an early model (or I don't know what this knob really does yet : )


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OK, I finally got my 7100 "fixed" and it seems to be working very well now. The installation guy spent some time on the phone with the technical field engineer (call Quadrafire to get his number)and learned what he needed to do. Then, he came out and spent a full 8 hours repairing the thing. It works fine, now. Here are my comments to those who are considering this model: 1) Leave a 1/8" gap all around the front fascia for expansion. I had to have the stone mason come back and cut this out. 2) Quadrafire initially produced this model with the expectation that it would be in continuous use, like a woodstove. If used only intermittently, the early production models like mine allow cold combustion air to come into the room from the lower room air intake when not in use. This can be fixed at no cost to consumer with a factory retrofit kit, but it is major surgery (worth it though). That is what took most of the time on my repair job. If you have a knob on the lower right portion of the fascia, you have a newer model with this feature already factory installed and should not have the cold air problem. 3) Make sure that your electrician wires with 14-3+ground, as shown in the installation manual. Mine did not, requiring another revision. This is important because the disc thermostat for the fan is located beneath the fire box, and will require about 90 minutes of hot fire before it closes and activates the blower. The 14-3 allows you to wire a manual on-off switch in parallel with the thermostat disc. This feature permits you to flip the switch on when the fire gets going to manually turn the blower on. At the end of the night, after the thermostat switch has heated up and closed, you can turn the manual switch off and the blower will remain on, under the control of the thermostat. After the firebox cools off in the middle of the night the thermostat disc will open and the blower will automatically turn off. 4) You can duct the heated blower air to another room, but cannot send to cold air return on the furnace. I contacted the manufacturer because I wanted to go to the cold air return, but they told me that it was not approved for that because the furnace blower could draw too much air off the firebox leading to excessive cooling. This will encourage smoke and creosote condensation and increase the liklihood of a chimney fire. Don't do this. 5) You can run a separate outdoor air intake for pressurizing the house and reducing air infiltration. This is one of the installation options. The fireplace has a lever on the bottom which will allow you to select using outdoor air for heating, or indoor room air. I chose the former, but have yet to run the fireplace on this setting. 6) Based on my experience of about 5-6 fires since getting all the installation problems fixed, I am noticing a problem with soot on the glass doors. I know that the airflow is supposed to minimize this, but so far, I am finding that I have to clean the glass doors after every 2 fires or so, and this takes about 20 - 30 minutes because I don't know of a good solvent for removing the burnt-on tarry gunk. I am burning cedar, so this may be part of my problem. 7) The "automatic combustion control feature" actually does work. Mine was broken when delivered or installed, and the repair guy they sent out told me it was a bad design that has never worked. The technical field service engineer said that was not true. The replacement was a bear to wrestle into place once the fireplace was installed, but works like a charm. It is basically a kitchen timer type spring that gradually moves a metal plate across a combustion air intake duct, thereby choking down the flame. When properly dampered, the flame is really beautiful on the fireplace, like the plasma flame you see in a woodstove. 8) Best advice is to make sure everything works on the fireplace BEFORE putting it behind wallboard or stone or whatever. Mine had to be practically rebuilt once it was mortared into a stone wall because of incompetent initial installer, lack of communication with electrician, and little experience with this relatively new product among the myriad of people who were "responsible" for getting it right.


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I've got the small rod on the bottom right so I guess I got lucky and got a newer model. Is there any way to check to see if the "automatic combustion control feature" works? After I move it I can hear a timer but I can't figure out if it is working. Additionally, I would appreciate any finished or unfinished pictures of a 7100 installation. I am 2 days from beginning the process myself and have a pretty good idea of what I am going to do. This "webchat" has been VERY helpful so far and probably saved me a lot of work/problems so any pictures are greatly appreciated.
Thanks
dk


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dkelsch -

You should be able to check the automatic combustion control by sliding the damper control lever to the right. You will meet resistance about 2/3 of the way across. You should then be able to slide it further, and you will feel it winding the timer spring. It feels just like a kitchen timer. Immediately afterward, you will be able to hear the ticking as the timer winds down. It probably takes 30 minutes or so to fully wind down. Other tips to consider prior to installation would include removing the screws that hold the fan access panel in place. These will freeze up and have to be drilled out after your first fire anyway, so take them out now while you can. Then, after the electrician hooks up the fan, seal the access panel with high temperature silicone (like the stuff that is used to make gaskets for gasoline engines). Before the silicone is applied, though, spray a thin layer of PAM or some other vegetable oil on both surfaces. This will make it much easier to remove the silicone at some future time if you have to open it up again - you won't have to spend a lot of time scraping it off to apply new silicone.
As far as pictures go, I don't know how to post with my reply and don't have an account with Ofoto or one of theose album sharing sites. If you email me at furlongj@comcast.net I will send you some pictures of my installation.


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Hi, I am considering buying the quad 7100, and wanted to see how you made out with it last winter. How does it do at heating the area? The blowers work good? Cold air problems? Any information at all would be helpful. Thanks, Tom


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we just ripped out our zero clearance box this week and installed the quad 7100. that job sucked! we had to take off a lot of stone and get out a huge zero clear. unit. we will test the quad this winter to make sure it works ok before reapplying our stonework. we are praying it gives us some significant heat and saves us some propane bills! we'll update when we fire it up. i was surprised that the blower seems very quiet and on high i did expect to feel more air come out. we just wired it up. we'll have to see.

for those who have used the unit on high blower, is it loud or does it blow out a hard force of air? i know right before we purchased this unit they were tweaking their blower at the company and redesigning it. so we had to wait a month to her our unit we just received ours in August.


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Love this stuff. Great thread.


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I too am considering getting a Quadra-Fire 7100fp. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. The fireplace stores near me mostly sell gas fireplaces for looks only. The Quadrafire unit is the only real wood burning fireplace that they offer.

I am adding on to my house - the fireplace will be in a room approx. 21 x 27 (family room and kitchen). Below it will be an unfinished basement that some day will become a TV room or game room. Maybe run ducts to heat that space as well?


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I went with the quad 7100, and just got it installed this week. I put the heat zone kit on it, and will run that into the crawl space under the floors to keep the floors warm. The installation went pretty smooth. We had a vermont castings zero clearance fireplace we took out, and the quad fit into it nicely. The outside air vents were tricky to install due to only 5" clearance on each side.
The wiring was easy, and works great. We tested the unit last night with a nice fire, and was surprised at how much heat you get from it. I took a lot of pics of installation if anyone is interested. Now we will take some time to test it before installing the rock. Thanks, Tom


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Tom, I'd like to see the pics. We're getting ready to build a new home and are going with the 7100. Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Andy


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Here is a pic of my quadrafire 7100. My father n law is a builder and we installed the unit ourself and did all of the rock work ourself (first time as masons!). I love the fireplace and it heats my 2900 square foot one story home beautifully. My highest gas bill last winter was $62.00 and that was only because I was out of town several nights one month and my wife used the central heat.

The timer for automatic combustion control should be manual in my opinion. It does work to a point and I see what they were trying to do, but I would prefer a manual control only to get the fire maximum air. There is no way to give max air without using the timer unless you just want to leave a door slightly open until the burn is where you want it.

Also, there were obviously blower issues and timer issues with the fireplace as they came out with an update kit. My main disappointment with quadrafire was that I ended up doing the replacement myself for the blowers and the timer assembly, etc.... They said they would find a local dealer who was compentent to install the kit, but never came through in my opinion. They offered one dealer, but they had never seen the stove before, and I felt more confident in my own ability than a service guy who wasn't familiar with the stove.
I just put in the kit and everything is great.

The stove heats my 2900 square foot house very well with no zone kit or anything except the stock blowers. My master bath in the very back of the house is a little chilly but no big deal.

I love the stove and love the fact that I can come back to a fire 18 hours after it was started and still have enough coals to start up again without having to start a new fire.

Feel free to email me with any questions...feathersnifns@yahoo.com

here is a picture of my install... I hope it works.

Here is a link that might be useful: 7100 quadrafire fireplace in my living room


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I tried sending you an email but it bounced back. Thanks for posting on the web garden forum. I am having my 7100 installed on the 22nd. Your hearth looks amazing, congrats on doing a great job.
Couple of questions:
You have a similar size house as mine and its only one floor and said it can heat most of your home. How are you directing the heat? Little fans? I have a center hall colonial and i'm wondering if i will be able to get heat upstairs. i am getting 1 heat zone kit to direct air into the MBR. How loud is the stock fan?
How tough was it doing the stone work? Was it the concrete variety or the real stuff? If concrete which brand and do you like it? How did you handle the stone around the fireplace, does it butt up against it or is there a gap? Any tips would be appreciated. Do you suggest i wait a while before stoning it in? in case there is a defect or something.
Are you able to get 24" logs in it? How high up do you fill it? Does it get too hot that you have to open windows or can you just adjust the oxygen? Sounds like overnight 9-10 burns are acheivable, any tips?
Sorry about all the questions, just really excited. I've been researching this unit for 9 mos and never talked to anyone who has one.
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scfa99,

I only have the stock blowers in my unit, no heat zone kit. They were pretty loud for a while until they came out with a new upgrade kit which I put in myself last week end (pain in the rear end). The original blowers got too hot because quadrafire didn't realize they needed a blower shield on the fans to keep the plastic blades from warping. I also had to install a new timer assembly which was as bad as the fan install because their original design didn't work to well. The new fans (like your unit will have) are quieter and I would suggest running them on medium instead of high. Depending on the face style you chose, you might be disappointed with the air it puts out at first. You will then realize you couldn't tolerate the air if it were coming out in a greater volume.

I used the "fake" rock and it's manufactured by Centurion Stone (In TN I believe)

You have to built a frame around the fireplace and make sure you keep the minimum clearances. You then put dura-rock and mesh wire over the frame. Then start laying rock (ok, maybe not as simple as it sounds, but for your average do it yourselfer, no problem) Make sure you leave enough gap around the fascia so that it can easily be removed (which you will have to do to change out any timers you may have problems with down the road)

I ran a test fire in mine before I stoned around it, but I'm not sure it's necessary as the unit can be repaired from inside the firebox and from the front. (The dealer who sold me mine recommended putting a door on one side that could be removed if you needed to get inside the frame) I didn't take his advice. My only problem will come if I ever need to replace my chimney. I'll have to find a very skinny man who can go in from the attic and drop down on top of the fireplace to install ???

24" logs...not sure but I know you could get a 23" log in the box. I cut my own wood and usually cut it about 16" because it's so hard to split and handle wood that is 24" long.

I have never really fully loaded my firebox. I will probably try it this winter.

You will realize that it's all about learning how to control the timer (once you slide your air control all the way to the right, ther's no going back...it's open and it will stay open for about 45 minutes to an hour) You'll also just have to experiment with how much you have to shut it down to get your desired burn.

I'm not sure where the heat zone kit is installed within the unit, but if it can't be accessed from the firebox or the face, I would defenitely make sure that it was working to my liking before stoning everything in.


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Great thread! I have been researching high-output fireplaces for a little while now and this forum has a knowledge-base with which I feel comfortable. The feedback here has put the Quadra-Fire in the "can't go wrong" column...but are there contenders for the "even better" column?!? For those of you who have done research prior to choosing the Quadra-Fire, how does the competition rank? Xtrordinair? BIS Panorama (recently bought by Lennox and labelled Villa Vista)? Regency WarmHearth? I would love to leverage some of the research of others to make sure I'm not overlooking anything. What about performance (e.g. length of burn time, heat output, fan noise, etc.)? Is a catalytic appliance measurably more efficient? Other distinguishing characteristics (e.g. air wash system to keep glass clean, ash drawer, support from mfr after the sale, etc.)?

In CT there are only two Quadra-Fire dealers...and neither are anxious to pick-up additional business. I stopped at one today and wasn't thrilled with their pre-sales service (I hate to think what their post-sales service would be like). I'm fairly handy...how hard are these to install? I currently have Majestic zero clearance FP installed in a center chase.

adTHANKSvance!

Jon
Vernon, CT


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I just cranked my 7100 up a few days ago since the temp dropped to 29 or 30 degrees for a couple of nights. When I started my fire, my thermostat (away from my main living area) was at about 72 degrees. The Quad 7100 heated my house to about 79 degrees in about 1 1/2 -2 hours. Burn times would be longer with a full load of wood in the firebox, but I usually fill mine about 1/2 -2/3 full. I can load it at 10:00 pm and there is usually a partial log that is still firing hot with coals and putting out good heat at 6:30 in the morning. There are enough coals to start another load anywhere from 10-14 hours after burning a decent size load. Fans are pretty quiet on low to medium but a little louder on high. There really isn't a reason to run the fans on high in my opinion.

I am not at all impressed with the service of Quadrafire corporate. I ended up driving 2 hours to buy my stove from a dealer instead of the dealer that was 5 minutes from my house b/c of price. I installed mine myself and bought the stove only (doors, box, fascia) for $2700 instead of the $3400 the dealer by my house wanted.

When it came time to replace the timer and blowers because of a free upgrade kit, my dealer 2 hours away wasn't excited about doing the job. He would have if I would have asked him to, but I felt like doing the job myself since he had never worked on a 7100 and I felt pretty comfortable about the stove.

The bad thing was that Quadrafire couldn't find a dealer close to me (there are 3 within 30 minutes) that was willing to do the job. That is not good service.

I did hear that Quadrafire totally wiped out all of their dealers who weren't willing to take the classes and service their product, so if that's true it's a good start.

Technical support in MN isn't so hot, but there is a guy in Washington and I think his name is Scott who works for Quadrafire who is sharp as a tack and was a lot of help on the phone.


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Update on our Quad 7100: Bought mine in Feb 2005 when Hearth and Home was at a big home show here in Michigan giving out $200 coupons. I went with the simpson duravent chimney and am not sorry. I have the wall cavity open for installing the heat ducts and with a HOT! fire going I can hold my hand on the chimney. We have been buring it since the 1st of october and been heating the house here in MI so far. I installed both the combustion air and aux convection air ducts. I usually use outside air to get a positive pressure effect, similar to what extrodinair does. So far I love the 7100, heat output is high, with a full load of wood I can get through the night 6-7 hours, but I don't damper it all the way down, I leave it open until a good flame is going and then damper it down until the wisps are just still going. If you damper down to far this causes the glass to get smoked up. The good thing is if you get a hot fire going the air and fire wash will burn off the soot cleaning the glass.

I currently am installing the heat zone kits. My home is a big ranch and when the back bedrooms are closed they cool off even with the furnace fan running. The part that sucks about the heat zone kits is they REQUIRE you to use B-vent gas vent pipe which is expensive. Here is the link to the heat zone wood instructions. Its found on heatnglo's site.

http://www.heatnglo.com/downloads/installManuals/7015_114.pdf

On page 2 on the left side it say duct material b-vent and also DO NOT duct into furnace plenum!

Should have the heat zone kits installed soon and my granite hearth and surround installed as well. One thing that is not very clear in the manual is mantel locations & dimensions a lot is left to wonder. I want to build a formal wood mantel has anyone done this with a 7100? Something similar to the mantels here: http://www.oldmillmantels.com/

I will try to get some pictures uploaded for everyone to look at soon.


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Just a question to those who have the quad up and running, does it get very warm above the top vent? I installed 1" of cement board all around the unit, and it seems to get very hot at times there. I was planning on stoning the unit this year, but will wait and test it through the winter first. Thanks, Tom


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Yes, it gets hot above the vent and in the top area. If my unit is really fired up, the rock above the top portion of the fascia is hot. I notice that the rock around the sides of the fascia isn't hot at all. Another confirmation that heat really does rise.

Just be sure to keep the proper clearances for your mantel and you should be in good shape.


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Great information!

I too have narrowed it down to the 7100 and Xtrordianair, but after reading this thread the 7100 appears to be the frontrunner. I would love to see some pictures to get some ideas....I see lots of promises, but I have only seen the one picture of feathersnfins ***which is awesome*** (I can't tell if you have any trim kits, etc....did you go with plain black)
Everyone, please post some more pictures if possible!!!! During & after set-up would be great.

Thanks,
Bob


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OK, I'll weigh in here as a past Xtrordinaire user. We put the Xtrordinaire in a previous home about 10 years ago. It was a 70's leaky house with the early aluminum-frame double-pane windows. The Xtrordinaire put out an amazing amount of heat, handily heating our 2400 sf home in below-freezing weather. We ran our furnace fan to circulate the heat, and the Posi-Pressure was great in our leaky house. All drafts were eliminated, so the comfort level was terrific. And, especially when clean, the unit looked totally fantastic. Beautiful unit. We did a slate surround ourselves, and a raised hearth. Wow.

BUT---there were some pretty significant negatives: 1) Not enough draw from the chimney during reloading, even though it was installed EXACTLY as specified. Cough, cough. Yucky smoke. Even with the door or windows wide open. Truly, not enough draw for the aerodynamics of the firebox/chimney setup. It was on the almost lowest level of a four-level home (converted tri-level). We tried extending the chimney by adding another section (making it significantly higher than the tallest ceiling of our house, but it really didn't help enough. We tried every technique imaginable (and then some) on reloading to eliminate the smoking.

2) glass was dirty, dirty, dirty. It did not self clean even with a really hot fire. I eventually came up with a system of glass cleaner/paper towels/saran wrap tent to clean it occasionally. (This was before the days of the new gel products.) The air wash didn't work well.

3) newer homes are pretty tight, so the posi-pressure is not going to work well as a means of circulating heat.

4) catalyst got clogged up with the ash from our lousy firewood. Fully dried, but it was cottonwood from our property that we needed to make go away. It was free fuel. Very ashy stuff (and smelly smoke, too).

SOOOOO, I'm now really leaning toward installing a qf7100 in our new home. Just saw one live at the local showroom, and I think I'm sold. We also like that with the 7100 you have the option of going posi-pressure, which I imagine I'll do when running my kitchen exhaust hood at full blast (1200 cfm).

HTH


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bgrbob,

I believe my trim kit is the mission hill. It's the one that is solid black. I'm not a big fan of the silver or gold. I like it plain black and I think it was my only option and if I remember correclty, the cheapest!


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Got my 7100 up and running a while ago. No problems so far. Fan is relatively loud on full but fine on all lower settings. I let it burn for long periods (overnite)on low draft settings and get a LOT of soot on the glass. One hour later after using steel wool it's as good as new. I think I will have to experiment with trying to prevent the soot from getting there in the first place or burn the soot off the glass with a hotter fire. There has to be a better way than the scrub the glass method. I heard mention of jell products that would clean off the glass and that the soot would burn off with a hot fire. Any input/experience with preventing/dealing with this problem would be greatly appreciated.

I have to agree with the statement that Quarafire support is a little difficult to get. If you call the number in the installation manual you get people who are reading the installation manual. I found them to be of little help with detailed questions. They do have lines to much better tech reps if you are the dealer/installer. I got through to them once and they were very well informed.

I have a three story house and the 7100 is on the middle floor. I wanted to use a heat zone kit to heat the first floor (garage) however, after talking to a tech rep, I think I will be engineering my own.

He stated that from all the feedback he'd gotten the heat zone kit works very well if the area you are heating is at the same level or above but the bladed fan does very poorly in overcoming the static pressure that a long run going down would entail. Does anyone have any experience to either verify or refute his comment?

I have done the entire installation and used the Simpson Dura-plus Duravent and so far am very satisfied. I found the price to be highly variable and with a little research got it for less than one-half the original quote.

I designed the installation so that the entire unit is on a interior wall in the main living area and the back is in a mechanical room/pantry. I figured fine tuning and installing the heat zone kit and outside air plumbing would be easier. The only concern I had was how hot the back of the unit would get. I've had it pretty hot during this break in period and the "hottest" areas are slightly warm so no worries there.

I live in interior Alaska and we have routine -20 F to -50 F periods. I consulted the most experienced chimney installer/servicer in our valley and he stated that the double-walled SL-300 series type components don't work well at the extreme cold temperatures we get. The air in the outside chamber cools the chimney too much and causes excessive creosote buildup. Maybe that is only a problem here but I thought I'd mention it.

Thanks for any help.
dk


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I ran my heat zone down into the crawl space below the house, and it just blows out a little bit of warm air, not the hot air I expected by having to use the b-vent pipe.


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Great thread. I will be moving into a house that apparently has a zero-clearance fireplace. (Heatilator 36" Element, brochure: http://content.hearthnhome.com/downloads/brochures/ELEMENT.PDF ). What's interesting about the 7100 is that it specifes the same chimney system. The width of the framed opening (into an exterior pipe chase) seems to be adequate but the vertical opening needs to be larger (which does not seem to be that much of a problem) but it needs to be 3 inches deeper (maybe more of a problem, depending on how chase is framed, I guess).

An alternate I'm thinking of is just putting in a Quadrafire 2700i insert (brochure: http://www.quadrafire.com/products/inserts/woodInsertDetail.asp?f=2700i) into the zero-clearance fireplace. The house is a 2000 ft2 colonial, so maybe the 7100 would be overkill anyway, plus more effort, I imagine. Firebox is probably small on the 2700i is probably small though - since it is a flush design, I am thinking the logs load in from side to side instead of front to back. Front to back lets you load in a lot more wood.

Comments? My local dealers either don't seem that knowledgable or they are too busy at the moment.

Thanks!


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I was happy to have this forum when we were installing our Quad 7100 this Fall. I was so confused by the installation process, the best way to finish the surround, and how to work the stove when we burnt our first fire! After burning fires in this stove non-stop for about a month, I think we've finally figured it out. Although, I must say, this has been quite a learning experience. I can relate to all these posts - the glass doors getting black, the blower being loud and not seeming like it's blowing very hard (until all of a sudden I'm so hot I've got to change to shorts and a tank top in the middle of winter) etc. But one thing I've found that hasn't been mentioned here is that this is a MESSY fireplace. Every time we open the door (even when we do it very slowly) ashes fly out. Also, the design of the lip that keeps the ashes in the firebox is not great - I find that ashes and coals fall out easily when we're adding logs. We just cleaned out a ton of ashes tonight, so maybe it'll be better.

Anyway, about the picture I'm uploading... We hired a stone mason in our area to do a dry laid look out of moss rock and we love how it came out. We are still trying to find a hand hewn old beam to use as a mantle so you'll see in this picture that is still missing. If anyone has any questions on installation and finishing, please feel free to ask!

Here is a link that might be useful: Our Quad 7100


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Like another poster, wish that I could have read a site like this 2 years ago. This my second season and I do not find the ash a problem, it seems that I can go a week and only fill the ash bucket, but sometimes I just shovel a couple of scoops of what I call clinkers. Dirty wood - stays outside with the bugs in the woodshed built with green 2x4s and Hardibacker lap siding. 8ft x 12ft x 8ft filled took us through last winter (04-05). Very seldom use gas force air furnace.

Back of the 7100 still not enclosed. Front done with 1/2" Hardibacker. Why not Durock or other. Some underlayment have little white beads of something, Durock has the web. Hardi may be a paper mix but is well coated with cementatous mix and was assured by Hardi support that it would not burn. But then I may have a phobia. Covered the wood backside with sheetmetal from the Heat-a-later (Oxymoron) and then another heatsheld/baffle. See what I mean about phobia. I only have wood on the insert wall and steel framing on the surround back (still does not have the 1/2" Hardi hung. Tiled the front with the red terra cota from Loews. Feel lucky that I met a man working another stores tile dept - not only did he give us a design that we liked but he let me help him lay the floor in front and the face. I purposely did not add mantel - again the phobia.

Huey1 do you (is that like in helicopter-another interest) have any problem with heat on the mantel of hearth?

Chimney is Simpson Dura-Vents DURATECH line. Did not like the S300 from Hon or the other choice DuraPlus. S300, well , you decide. DuraPlus because it only had 1/2" of insulation and an air chamber which I thought would add to any creosote problem. As is I have to get up on the one story flat roof and take the last 4foot section and the cap down to clean. The screen in the cap glazes over and then smoke spills into the room. Burnt Cherry last year. Lots of creosote. Maple this year - should not be as much. Glass - hot fire burns off - last year cleaned with glass scraper/razor blade - this year who cares - just a little white ash.

Maybe QF has fixed their "AutoCombustion" Clock but the Illinois Rep FINALLY GOT OUT last spring after it got warm outside and replaced the clock as well as the fans in the back. Last winter I would slip a putty knife through the grill and move the clock arm to the left. Probably should not have armed to begin with.

Lastly, I cannot control the flame. Must be because the gasket needs replaced. The other day I was at the fireplace store to buy the rope gasket and we called to find out what size - did not know - "do you have the part #", - 15 min. later on hold - hung up.

Do I like the QF - yes

Why QF7100 - Fire Brick, No Catalytic device, and Pipe hot air. If anybody is interested in why the back panel is off let me know. Hot Water anyone?

Dan


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Try cleaning glass with oven cleaner spray on wipe off quick and easy


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Like others, I'm so thrilled to have found this thread - what did we ever do before the Internet! My husband installed our 7100 over the summer, and we have had all of the same issues as others - ours was an older model without the outside damper switch, and 3 service guys were here (no charge) in November to install the knob on the lowere right side - seems to have helped, not perfect, but better. The one thing I haven't seen anything about is the paint on the handles flaking off - ours looks terrible! The guys that were here adding the knob said it was a manufacturing glich on the first run and has since been corrected. They ordered me a new set of handles and 8 hours later they were on their way. 3 months later still no handles! They didn't leave a card or any paperwork that I can find (especially after the holidays!) I emailed Quadrafire, and below is what I got. Any suggestions would be helpful and appreciated.

Actual Email from QuadraFire:

Ms. McCarthy,
Paint sometimes flakes off due to the heating and cooling of the unit. In order to check the status of the wood handles, please advise the dealer's name as well as which wood insert you have installed in your home. Please advise at your earliest convenience so that I may assist you further.

Thank you for your inquiry,

Julie A. Randall
Hearth & Home Technologies
Case Specialist
1-800-669-4328, ext 56688
randallju@hearthnhome.com

My reply and her answer:

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:30 AM
To: Julie Randall
Cc: Vince Bossany
Subject: RE: Quadra-Fire Question

Julie - Please bear with me as my patience is running thin. Somehow,QuadraFire managed to track me down in October and call several times to set up a time to service our unit, sent out 3 techs (one from Washington state!), yet when I ask about a set of handles, no one knows who we are or what model we have...??? For ease of reference, we purchased the unit from Baumgarteners in Westminster, MD. It is a 7100 model. The guys that were here to service the unit in
November said that there were some manufacturing gliches on the model we bought, and one of them was the problem with the paint on the handles. They told me that they ordered new ones ( this was in November), so again, please understand my lack of patience at this point.

Your reply of "Paint sometimes flakes off due to the heating and cooling of the unit" is silly, and only adds to my frustration... it's a fireplace!!! Of course it will heat and cool - that's why you use paint designed to perform within these temperture ranges, as described in your literature.

I would appreciate a more thoughtful and researched reply about my "wood handles" as soon as possible. Thank you.

Ms. McCarthy,

I checked our database when I first received your e-mail and again with the additional information you have provided. There is no documentation with our company in regards to the service on the blower or any updates to the unit. You have assumed that I have this information when I do not. I called your dealer, Baumgardner's in Westminster, MD, and spoke to Shawn who is going to find the Sales Order
for the handles and contact me so that I can look into this further. We receive orders for handles from dealers all over the country, but do not know who the customers these parts are intended for; therefore, I need to know the Sales Order that was placed specifically for you. I gave
your dealer your phone number so that he can follow up with you as well. You must understand without all of the information provided, I am limited as to what I can do from here.

Thank you,

Julie A. Randall
Hearth & Home Technologies
Case Specialist
1-800-669-4328, ext 56688
randallju@hearthnhome.com


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I need help on determining which fireplace to put into my new home. It is under construction currently. I have a friend who put in a quadrafire and is having problems with it and customer service. The other suggestions that have been brought to my attention are the kozy heat 231 zc and the northstar made my heat-n-glow. I really like the look of the quadrafire more than the others but mostly want the fireplace to work as supposed to. I am not mechanical in any way. I am building a two story with an open floor plan. The family room is the location for the fireplace. It has an 18 foot ceiling. I am hoping that the heat will rise and heat some of the upstairs thus not letting the living room become a sweat shop. I am not putting my thermostat by the fireplace and am having zone heating put in my bedrooms trying to eliminate having a hot living room and cool bedrooms. I just really need advice and help. We need to decide fairly quickly and I am really stressed out in which model to choose.


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!8 ft high ceilings What is length & Width of room? Seems like you will nee a High end unit Quad 7100 or Napoloean High Country or Custom Made Masonry heater .


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I can not tell you how frustrated we are with the 7100. We have had all the issues discussed in this link, plus some.

The biggest issue we have is that when the fireplace is cold it lets cold, smelly air into our house through the bottom intake. It's absolutely terrible. After one day our house smells like an ash tray.

All told we have had issues with the automatic damper (had to be replaced, and still doesn't work well), snap disc (had to be replaced, but still takes 90 minutes to turn on the fan), handles (flaked off and had to be replaced), outside combustion air (was totally shut down by the techs, so we can no longer pressurize our house), they retro-fitted our unit with the "knob" on the lower right to try to stop the cold air flow, but this feature doesn't seem to work at all.

One more thing...the fp does let out a lot of smokey air when you stock it. You can only open the right hand door, but even then there's smoke that enters the room.

This has been going on for two years now and we're very frustrated. Our local sales rep from Big and R has been as helpful as he can be with the lack of support from Quadra-Fire.

We're running out of options at this point, but the FP needs to be fixed. I've never sued anyone in my life, but this might be the first occasion. We need this FP replaced, period.

My Recommendation: DO NOT BUY THIS FIREPLACE

-Not Happy in Washington


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Update on 7100FP. I just wanted to update the thread on my experience most of the way through my first heating season. The fireplace has worked well, I would say its been at least 75-85% replacement for my propane forced air furnace in a large 2200 SQ/FT ranch. We burn the quad nearly 24-7 with the early morning being the down time. It just won't make it through the night on high burn. The temp in the great room is still okay. In the back bedrooms the temp has come down where the furnace kicks in. FYI furnace is set at 72 degrees. I have had to replace the handle's due to chipping, and just ordered a set of door gaskets. I haven't done much yet with the heat zones kits but have plan under construction. I will NOT be using the lame 100 CFM in-line blowers. Dayton makes a 350 cfm hot air fan model 4yj33 which can handle 450 degree air. Also looking into forced air injection as the draft is sometimes hard to start. I have been buring mostly elm, ash and hickory. I have some oak which is still a little green, but with a hot fire it gets going. Please look at my pictures at the listed link below, email me with comments.

Here is a link that might be useful: Fireplace and Mantel pictures


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I've been running the quadrafire in a 5,000sqft house to help offset my heat bills for about a month this winter. I've run into some of the same issues others have had. My main issue is that the blowers do not seem to circulate much air through the fireplace. I've had a buck stove before and when the blowers went into an automatic high position they moved a rather large amount of air out the grills. I've noticed the Quadrafire seams to put out about the amount I would expect from two hairdryers on a medium setting. I've taken the bottom out of the stove and insured the blowers were working properly etc.

I had the same issue the the snap disk taking forever to kick the blowers on. I resolved it by welding a 3/4 bolt directly on top of the cover were the snap disk is located and then cutting a hole in the firebricks for the bolt to come just to the surface of the firebrick. This seems to work much better and the fireplace will kick on without fail after about 15-20 minutes. I've also noticed that keeping the ash cleaned out of the fireplace also effects the time it takes to kick the blowers in.

I'm thinking about trying to replace the blowers with something that moves a larger cfm. Has anyone done this?

Thanks,
Adam Getchell


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Adam,

I think the issue you will run into with trying to replace the blowers is getting something to fit into the stove. On top of that there are warranty issues as well. I think the better simpler fan upgrade would be to boost the aux convection intake air duct. I don't know if you have this option installed but I think the fire place burns better with more air flow using the oustside air. Fireplace xtrodinaire doesn't even put a blower in the fireplace, their blower system is an external squirrel cage system. I have both of the air intakes (combustion air & aux convection air) in my soffit. with a nice gril over them I am considering install a Broan top exhaust bathroom fan in the soffit to boost the air flow. I would wire this on a current sensing relay picking up current flow on the black fan power lead. I also have two heat zone kits piped into the basement which I am going to try to pull the heat out of the fireplace and into my furnace plenum. I have two of the dayton high temp 350 cfm blowers which will run on a snap switch. I found white rogers has a variable 90-135 snap switch. I am installing backdraft dampers and relays so if my gas furnace comes on the fans will kick out and close the back draft dampers. Email me direct for further discussion. akiszka@orbitform.com


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We're building and need to select our wood fireplace soon. Anyone have experience with a recently intalled wood-burning Fireplace Xtrordinaire? I was concerned about the negative comments I saw above, but since that installation was over 10 years ago, hopefully things have improved!

How about cost? Approximately how much should one expect to pay? Should we pay to dealer to install the fireplace, or just let the builder to it? Any thoughts would be much apppreciated. Thanks!


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Maybe we just got lucky we have a 7100 and love it no real problems except the burn time really burns about 5hrs to get more than that you would really have to load it up and when you opened the doors the next morning you would have a mess with the ash


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The QF7100 is highly rated by any scale. Of course, even highly rated products could have problems and fail. Typically, people with complaints tend to write much more often than the satisfied crowd. Even in newspapers bad news make it to the front page, while good news are on the last page...

After a long wait, we had our 7100 installed at the end of 2005. During weekends (fri evening to mon morning) it would typically burn non-stop, sometimes I would start it mid-week also. When burning, it would keep our 3000 sq-ft (2 stories, quite an open floor plan) at 70-75 deg.

Let me try and list some good and bad stuff with ratings (scale is 1-5, positives and negative points are +/-):

(1) the auto fan takes time to engage -- but I don't care: I can turn it on with the override switch, and flip it back off when it's auto-engaged (-1)
(2) high-speed setting of the fan is noisy (no big deal - I hardly ever set it at that level) (-1)
(3) unless you burn at almost full blast, the glass gets very dirty (-3)
(4) big capacity firebox (+4)
(5) wish the fan moved more air (-2)
(6) good heating capability (+4)
(7) easy ash cleaning (+2)

Overall summary: positive.

Here is a link that might be useful: 7100 installed and burning, but not finished (yet...)


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In case somebody reading in the future is interested about Hot Water from their 7100 --- On advise of a person in the business of building fireplaces I attempted fixing a 20 X 20 X 3/4 in. stainless steel heat exchanger on the back of the steel firebox. Had to remove back and air chamber. Not enough heat. Silver brazed 3/4 copper same size. Not enough heat. Finally ordered another SS heat exchanger and drilled two holes in the back of the firebox just below the chimney and above the blanket. Heats the water up to 100 F with a real hot fire. Never (this must be a violation of Murphy's law) will there be a problem of over boiling. There is a 30 Gal tank and 2 loops of 1/2 inch BPEX - total about 400' in 450 sq ft tiled concrete floor. Two snap disks (Granger #2E245) to turn on the pump and keep it on. One on the hot side after it passes the insulated outside of the 7100 and one on top by the chimney to keep the pump from cycling. Wired in series.

If this is the only heat source then you do not need anything but another snap disk (maybe a variable temp) to turn the floor circ. pump on and off. I spent $60 for a remote in floor sensor with a terminal for wall-mounted thermostat, which I don't need. The logic proved to be that if it is too hot in the room you are letting the fire die down. It turns out to be automatic - No fire the pumps turn off - I do not have to remember to flip a switch when I build a fire. Research the rest on line. Feed water valve, pressure relieve valve, expansion tank, one-way valves, air venting valves and of course manifold.

This is not going to heat a house like the 7100 hot air will but it nicely takes the chill off the floor of our 450 sq ft sunroom and the radiation makes us more comfortable. As I say the colder the night the hotter the fire and the more efficient the system.

If you want the SS heat exchanger go to www.hilkoil.com and when you call talk to Adam and not the owner. I bought the first from the owner and later when I talked to Adam he didnt hesitate when he told me, "that will not get hot enough." At that point I knew he was right.

Hope this helps someone some time.

Dan


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I want to thank everyone who has posted to this thread, the information has been extremely useful in helping make my decision. We are about to purchase this model and are working out stone work details with our contractor. It sounds like the QF-7100 is the right direction to go, but to be aware of newer models and upgrades that have come out since inception (ie: bugs that were worked out). I also sounds like a good idea to hold off on the stone work until the box is in place and "burned-in" to avoid the hassle of working in tight place, or possible removing sections to repair the unit.
We're considering a winter river rock for our stone work. I, if anyone has a finish similar to this, we'd appreciate seeing pictures.
thanks
Bob


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over on the hearth.com site, i've posted pictures of my stonework with the 7100, its under the picture forum. let me know what you think.


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Joeffemt,

I am in a similar situation. I want to replace a prefab open fireplace with a 7100. The guys at the store told me that all I need is to reline my chimney with a SS liner. I have an installer coming to my house this Friday 11/10 and I will see what he says needs to be done.


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We removed a zero clearance vermont castings, and installed the 7100. They ran the sl300 pipe, inside the chimney chase same as yours, and we dont have any trouble at all with it. It is air cooled. the fireplace also draws outside air for combustion, and also room heat. We found out that it definatly heats and pressurizes the house, so much that we leave a window open upstairs to keep a good air flow and to get rid of the heat. This fireplace was well worth the money spent on it.. Tom


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Hi,
I'm re-opening this post as I have some questions for those of you who've installed this unit. I have an old (thirty years) heatilator that I want to replace with this quad. I have a brick chimney with clay flues. Is this possible by replacing the clay flue with a new stainless flue? Does anyone have any ideas about cost? Do those of you who have this unit up and running now still like it?
Many thanks,
salbwil


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Hi salbwil. Just saw your response. We moved into our new house just after Thanksgiving of last year. After doing some research, I went with the 7100. In our old house, I had a Quad 3100 stove (which is slated for the basement of the new house). We have about 1800 sq. ft. we are heating with the 7100. With some high ceiling areas, it takes awhile to get the area up to temperature. We use it as our primary heat source and we had a pretty cold winter in Kansas City. A quick review.

PROS:

Good looking.

Burns HOT!! We have a raised hearth in front of it that is great to sit on to warm up after coming in from outside. With a good burn, you can't sit directly in front of it.

If you get it going, then load it up it has great burn time. Will have a strong bed of coals in the morning.

Automatic combustion control works fairly well. I almost miss messing around with the fire.

Burns clean. Any soot on glass comes off with higher burn.

Large capacity.

Remote zone kit. We piped one to the master bath. Works like a charm on chilly mornings. However, it will reduce the capacity of the fireplace to heat the living area somewhat.

CONS:

In order to maintain temps, it burns a lot of wood.

Lots of wood burnt, means lots of ashes. Clean out is more frequent than with the stove.

Must use blower to truly heat the house. Stove would radiate and doesn't need the blower.

Clearance to mantle is 60". That means if you want it lower, no wood. We wanted wood, so with the fireplace off the floor about 18" our mantle height is 6 1/2 ft. It's a little tall, but looks OK.

Bottom line, I really like this fireplace. Compared to the stove, I don't think it heats quite as well. However, we wanted a fireplace, not something freestanding or that stuck out of the wall. And, like I said, we did heat our house with it. The furnace came on twice during the winter. Can't wait to get the stove set up in the basement!

As to your question about replacing the clay tiles, I'll leave that to someone with more experience in that area.

Andy


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Thanks, Andy,
I wish someone would chime in about replacing the clay flue. The chimney person is coming in a few weeks, and I'd like to be armed with some information.

salbwil


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Salbwil, I'm pretty sure the chimney guy will be able to come up with a solution. I wouldn't think they would replace it, rather they would run the chimney pipe through
your existing clay tile chimney.

You may want to post this as a separate question. This forum doesn't get much attention this time of year.
Andy


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Hi,
I posted as a new thread, but maybe will get a quicker response here. Chimney man is worried that the clay flue will come down on him when cutting out the old heatilator as it is resting on top of the unit.......I understand his concern, but need to know what can be done to not have this happen......anyone any suggestions ?
Many thanks, salbwil


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After reading this entire thread, I am confused whether or not to get a 7100. I am used to an older unit that will bake you out of the room (80 degrees) 2 hours after you start a fire with only 4 pieces of wood. We are building a 3500 sf house and the unit I have is from the early 70's and pretty much shot. They don't sell anything like it any longer (EPA regs and all that crap). I would like something that puts out a large amount of heat, but I'm not crazy about all the problems I am hearing about the 7100. If there is so much dislike of the unit, can someone point me to a better unit, or is this a "you get what you get because this is the best thing out there" kind of thing? Any reply would be helpful. Thanks!


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You can take a look at the Bis Tradition/Lennox Montecito Estate (sister modles). 4 cu feet firebox.

Also the Travis Fireplace Xtrordinair Elite 44, 4.3 cubic feet firebox.

And KozyHeat makes a fairly big firebox unit too. Forget the name. Their website has it.

Each are EPA II compliant.


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

All,
I have a Fireplace Xtrordinaire, its a great wood burning insert. But I did not like how long it took befor ethe snap disk clicked on the blowers (90-120 min). The wires to my thermostat were burried so there was nothing that I could do with that. I have just cut the wires to the snap disk and connected them together (obviously remove power to the stove first). This bypasses the sensor and the blower can work all the time. The only problem is that it doesnt shut off when it cools off. I may end up running a switch in there to control this, but due to the installation, I dont have anice place to put it, so I have yet to do this.

Its a quick and free fix if you are complaining about the snap disk.

Rick


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

Hello All,
I'm new to the forum but have been using a Quadrafire 7100 for amost 2 years now. 2 questions. Anyone know where to buy replacement handles ( black ceramic ). My dealer wants $60 for a pair and won't split the pair. I think that's a bit steep. Also anyone tried to put a reostat on the blower fan to slow it down a bit. It's a bit too loud and I don't need full volume all the time. I bought one and it didn't work. Anyone know the spec for this device ?
Thanks for any advice.


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

Heat Zone Kit question: We are currently installing a 7100fp in the center of our 1800sf ranch. We are wanting to use heat zone kits in our two back bedrooms, but don't know where to run the venting. Does anyone have an opinion on which is better, the attic or the crawl space? The manual indicates either to be fine. Thanks.


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

My wife and I are building a home and installing a 7100. I am blogging about it at: http://homeanddollars.blogspot.com/2008/10/heat-zone.html. Look for entries tagged with fireplace.

We are doing a heat zone above in the master bedroom. I am pretty excited about the prospects here. I am interested in how loud the blowers are going to be.

Here is a link that might be useful: Heat Zone


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

We have had our 7100FP installed for about a year now. It cranks in our 2200sqft new construction post & beam home. We installed on a gable end of the house with the vent on the outside. With lots of open space, if we keep it going we can maintain between 65-75 degrees. Our boiler is currently not working so it is the only heat we draw into the house. Not more tnan a week ago, there was a big ice storm; which took out all the power in a 25 mile radius of us - the neighbors were at our house for the heat :)! With no power for 8 days and running on a construction generator it saved us...

Our only complaints (which have also been mentioned above) are the handles chip easily, the door gasket has started falling off and therefore has burnt almost to nothing. This has caused inefficientcy and a constant whistle between the missing rope. And the fan's not the best (it is a little loud & our electrician was confused by the electrical install directions it came with. The ceramic blanket may need some attention in the near future.

To answer some q's above - scan through some of the older postings above (I did a cntrl-find and saw some answers) - reostat blower, etc.

Does anyone know where you can get parts at a reasonable price? We have an immediate need to replace the door gasket. And maybe the ceramic blanket and upgrade the blower in the future.

Thanks for any info you can provide.


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

We are also looking at the 7100 ... and wondering if it will be producing too much heat for us. It will be a secondary source of heat in a 2 story, 2600 sf house. We have radiant heat floors and they will not respond well to big or quick thermostat adjustments from what we understand (so we can't just turn them off when we build a fire). Also, we are building this house to be airtight - using sprayfoam insulation - so don't want to lose any heat through our fireplace. And don't want to have to open doors to cool down the house if the fire is too hot. One other note - although it will be a secondary source of heat, we do want the fireplace to serve as a source of heat during any power outage situation.

Some background: we are building new on acreage and had designed the house for a gas fireplace. But once out here we realize we want wood. It's free, abundant, renewable, and relatively clean (we live in WA state so must buy a fireplace that meets our very strict emissions standards). But we are running into troubles with what is essentially now a retrofit - trying to find a fireplace system that will work with the space that was to be for the gas insert. Looks like the quad 7100 will work, but is it really the right fireplace for us? We would love to find something a bit smaller & less spendy, that will work with our specs - already ruled out BIS, Lennox, Bodart and Gonay, and Heatilator Constitution!

Any ideas are welcome!


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

Installed 7100 myself last winter during a rebuild.
Must have gotten lucky with clearance issues to grout mentioned above.
Great heat. Wired fan to reostat switch so there's no problem there.
Glass gets really dirty unless you have full fire (grout cleaner and 3m pad works well to clean). Home centers sell new gaskets..part of mine fell off right away, but is fine now.
BIG COMPLAINT: Cold air rushes in through the bottom. closed off all vents from outside to no effect. Chase is covered in DD building paper and 4" stone, but they've told me the air must be coming into the chase somewhere.
Anyone have a solution for the cold air flow? Keep in mind that we've eliminated the chance that it's coming in from any of the venting.


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

I have installed a Quadra-Fire 7100FP per the installation manual and had it inspected per our local building department. We have been using the fireplace since December 2008 and it has heated our 3500 foot house fine. The outer non-flammable facing material is cement board. We have some concern about how extremely hot (so hot you can't touch) the cement board around the edge of the stove when the fan is running. When the fan is on, the area above the stove is cool but the area about 18 to 24 inches from the bottom of the metal fascia and about 4 to 5 inches out from the metal fascia is extremely hot. You cannot touch it for even a second. The cement board will not burn, but I'm now concerned about the 2 X 4 wood stud behind the cement board. The very hot area is beyond the 41 inch width of the stove box shielding. Obviously, the stove is now all enclosed and I can't see the studs. Has anyone else noticed how hot the wall or fascia material or rock gets around the upper edge around the stove when the fan is blowing. When the fan is not blowing the wall is cool. Can anyone give me some info or feedback on my concern? I do not want a fire to start behind the wall.


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

Im debating on if the 7100 will put out enough heat. I am getting rid of my pellet stove because it would keep one floor that was completley open and fully insulated 78 burning 2 bags a day. Im looking for something that could heat me right out of the house. Anyone has any experience with the 7100's heating capability?? Thanks


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

We too are debating on the 7100. 2300sqft ranch house, Great room in the middle, having trouble heating the outter bedrooms with the Jotel 6100 free standing stove. Considering Heat zones for the basement....would like some current input. Thanks


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

i have and use my quad 7100 in my 2600 sq ranch home. i have heat zone kit piped to my basement and it works great. best thing i put in my new house, besides geothermal, witch don't get used much if any with the fireplace cooking.


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re: quadra fire 7100 fp- soot cleaner

  • Posted by
    Scott Harris
    (abc@123.com) on
    Mon, Dec 27, 10 at 14:19

EASY way to clean the fireplace glass is this. Newspaper wadded up. Dip in small bowl of water to dampen. Dip damp paper in ashes. Wipe the dirty glass. Use a clean but dampened newspaper sheet to wipe clean and then dry with a dry piece of newspaper. EASY, WORKS, TAKES 5 MINUTES. You will thank me for this one!!!!!


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

All of this information is great!
We are also considering the Quadra Fire 7100. We have a 20x20 great room with a two-story cathedral ceiling that also opens to a loft. Anyone have any suggestions for placement of the return air for that room? Should we use the heat zone kits for other rooms? Our HVAC is planning on installing three units in our house. One for the living room, master, kitchen. One for the upstairs. One for the left side of the house which includes a den, laundry, and two bedrooms. Thanks!


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

What do you guys think between the Quadra Fire 7100 and the NorthStar from heat and glow? they look similar


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

Going on my 2nd year with the Quadrafire 7100. Although the weather has been mild so far this year, I've already learned some things in regards to heating with the 7100 the previous year that I know will benefit me this year. First, as some have already pointed out, the fan kicking on randomly appears to be a feature in most of the units. So... when I sense that the unit is hot enough, I just kick on the manual fan switch and let it run. Although we have 3 floors including our basement, the upper floors have about 3100 sqft. The first floor has 9 ft ceilings and the foyer is open space (2 story). The system does a great job of raising the temperature a good 6 to 7 degrees in a few hours if you run it with the fan. Letting the fan come on randomly (which it seems to do) it takes much longer. Before installing the 7100, primary heat on the main floor was propane with a heat pump upstairs. Unless the temp dips into the teens, the quad heats both upper floors - a savings on propane and electric. The quad is in a great room. When the fan is running and the heat has been distributed well, you can walk around some on the end opposite of the quad and pass through, what I call, little hot pockets. It would be interesting to somehow be able to follow the air flow (like with a colored spray). I have noticed that if a little bit of smoke escapes when I open the doors, just a few moments later, I can smell the smoke the most at the top of the stairs and that's on the other side of the house. So it rises quickly. Oh, that reminds me - I've learned to open the doors slowly and let the draft settle the light ashe first before opening all the way. That keeps it a bit more clean.

Other tips:

- Burning good seasoned hard wood with bigger splits (as others have suggested) is a really good thing. I don't have to damp it down all the way and still have good coals left in the morning up to 8 hours. Like others, I don't know where this "up to 16 hours" burn time came from. Not having to damp it down as much saves on glass cleaning as well. I used to spend a lot of time cleaning the glass. I've cleaned it once this year. If there is not much of a coating on the glass, a good hot fire burns it off anyway.

- To get a fire going from coals in the morning, I just crack the door a little (leave the handle in the down position and let the draft pull it closed) and a fire kicks up in less than a minute in most cases.

- The timer does a decent job most of the time, but there are times when it seems to hang. That might be due to the air intake lever being a little too far to the right.

- I do take up ashes every two to three days. I'm thinking of buying an ashe vac, but don't know if it's worth the cost.

- I still feel a little uncomfortable about leaving a fire going when we're not home, but the more I learn about the system, the more comfortable I am. And as long as I have the chimney inspected and cleaned every year, I think we'll be fine.

Overall, I'm happy with the 7100. I am thinking of buying a humidifier. Burning does dry the air out quite a bit.

Happy heating to all out there.


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RE: Quadra Fire 7100 fp

I purchased a QF 7100 wood burning fireplace and could not be more DISAPOINTED! The heat output is terrible. We have burned over 4 full chords of wood this year and one would think we would be nice and warm. Not the case at all we are always FREEZING. I have been in contact with another individual with the same stove. We both have the exact same issues. An old pot belly stove would do a better job heating my house.


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