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Unvented vs. Vented

Posted by robinson622 (My Page) on
Tue, Feb 19, 08 at 17:18

My father wants to install an unvented fireplace in the family room, which is open to the rest of the house including the basement. Is there a problem with fresh air (does he need to open a window)? The house is approximately 1500 sq. feet, plus the basement. Should he go with vented?

What are your experiences with either?


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RE: Unvented vs. Vented

As a gas fireplace repairman, I declined to do work on unvented gas fireplaces. The risk of someone doing something that gets them injured, and then blaming me, even years later, was not a risk worth taking.

In theory, if everyone who might use an unvented fireplace read, understood and followed all of the lengthy list of warnings and recommendations that came with unvented fireplaces, they would be safe to operate.

But I've never encountered a single user who really understood the risks and warnings, and followed them. Because of that, they are too much of a hazard to recommend, in my opinion.


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RE: Unvented vs. Vented

Unvented degrade the quality of indoor air by depleting oxygen and putting fumes into the air. IMO, they should be outlawed and in fact are not allowed in sleeping rooms by building codes in many municipalities. Direct vent technology is the way to go -- a sealed firebox with 2 vents to the outside, one to exhaust the fumes, the other to draw fresh air to feed the combustion. They are expensive, but if you want the fireplace to heat, not just produce a pretty flame, it's the safe, energy efficient alternative.


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RE: Unvented vs. Vented

Here is a post that I clipped a few years ago:
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RE: B vent; D vent; ventless and which models??? (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: renron on 12.19.2006 at 07:28 pm in Fireplaces Forum

First, DON'T install a ventless fireplace!!!
Even though the MFG.s will tell you the exhaust fumes are OK, do you really want to breathe them? Many people end up with Major Headaches and chronic breathing issues. Does it sound like a good idea to breathe burnt exhaust gasses?
B type flue(vent) pipes are dual thickness pipes. A pipe inside another pipe, suitable for use at 1" or more to flammable materials. Outer casing pipe is sealed and will not conduct air.
D (Direct Vent) type flue(vent) pipes are also dual layers but they are capable of exhausting burnt gas through the inner pipe and importing exterior(outside) combustion air for burning. Think of a straw inside a larger straw. Inside straw blowing, outside straw sucking outside air for combustion. A fan is usually used to help exhaust the burnt gasses.

Details below:
B-Vent (Natural Vent) gas fireplaces are designed primarily for decorative use. Generally they produce a larger and more realistic yellow flame. B-vent fireplaces are sometimes available without a glass window, so many homeowners are attracted to this design because of the open, realistic flame effect; some models do have a glass window so the existence of a window on a fireplace does not define its product classification. Natural vent gas fireplaces use room air for combustion and vent fumes through a vent or chimney that must terminate vertically above the roof line. The key to determining whether a B-vent fireplace will meet your heating needs is to check the manufacturer's listed efficiency rating (gas consumed x efficiency = heat output). While efficient, heater-rated B-vent fireplaces do exist, many lower quality "builder grade" fireplaces have no efficiency rating and, therefore, will not supply substantial heat. In fact, this category of fireplace will often use the greatest amount of gas at the lowest range of efficiencies. If you live in a warmer climate where you want the aesthetics of a fire without much heat, this may be the appliance for you. Likewise, bedrooms and smaller rooms may be a good candidate for a b-vent fireplace, but please check building codes to see if this class of fireplace is approved in your locality or for installation in the room where you'd like to use it. Local/national codes in some areas prohibit the use of b-vent rated appliances, especially in colder climates. Be aware that very "air tight" houses can cause performance problems with b-vent rated appliances, so please consult an experienced fireplace installer who can advise you on the proper installation and use you are considering.

Direct Vent Fireplaces offer the most features with respect to gas consumption, efficiency ratings and venting options. A direct vent fireplace will always have a glass window because these fireplaces are sealed systems using a double walled venting system. Combustion air enters the appliance via one section of pipe while fumes and moisture are vented through the other pipe. Most often, a double wall "pipe within a pipe" system is used. Subject to each model's requirements for distance and offsets, direct vent fireplace venting may be terminated either horizontally or vertically. Efficiency rating will average 65% to 84%, similar to ratings on gas furnaces. Keep in mind that these appliances must "waste" some of the heat produced to create a draft of rising warm air to evacuate the fumes produced without aid of a forced air exhaust system. Think of direct vent fireplaces as a decorative furnace: the beauty of a realistic flame with high efficiency. This appliance is great for primary or supplental heating and for emergency backup heating as most work without aid of electricity. Because this is a sealed system that uses outside air for combustion, direct vent fireplaces are usually the favored choice among those in the fireplace industry because of their greater efficiency and exceptionally reliable performance.
Hope this info helps,
I am a General Contractor.
Renron


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