Well not to beat a dead horse but I am a little slap happy from being up so late so oh well. Macs are not that expensive, get a Mac Mini for $400 bucks, and as far as what macs are used for you got to get passed the ipod and Imac. The current G5 runs on two 2.5GHz dual core processors running on a architecture designed to run bus loads of data and store it on 16 Gigabytes of DDRAM. Why have two processors so while your encoding video you can multitask and download and process 20MB RAW image files while typing a reply on a forum. Macs aint just for kids. I'd hate to disagree with you on Microsofts Legacy software, their whole problem is their software. Ever wonder why all your applications you run on Windows look different, why Explorer looks different then your dial up connection app, or why Windows Media Player looks nothing like Windows Movie Maker; or why Outlook does not resemble Word, Similar apps, but way different code running each. Reason why is that Microsoft has hundreds of departments writing code for apps that don't work together. As a result you get a bloated operating system named Window XP that has to manage all of these apps that have conflicting code and stich it together so you have a working computer. It really is a big mess when you look at XP in the old DOS. !!!DOS!!! I can't believe anything still drags DOS around. Why do you think Windows based computers need to have liquid cooling systems in them today; they need to cool the CPU that has to run Windows. !!!Liquid Cooling!!! Last time I checked liquid and electronics are a bad mix. Here is an interesting quote: Microsoft chairman told "It's not going to work" By Andy McCue Published: Monday 26 September 2005 Microsoft was forced to scrap the first incarnation of Longhorn  now called Windows Vista  after a senior executive warned chairman Bill Gates that it was too complex to work properly. Jim Allchin, group VP in charge of Windows, told the Wall Street Journal he dropped the bombshell last summer, simply telling Gates "It's not going to work". Longhorn was so complex that Microsoft's developers would never be able to make it run properly, Allchin told Gates. The root of the problem was Microsoft's historical approach to developing software  the so-called 'spaghetti code culture'  where the company's thousands of programmers would each develop their own piece of code and it would then all be stitched together at the end. According to the WSJ interview, Allchin faced opposition to his call for a completely new approach to how Microsoft develops Windows  firstly from Gates himself and then the company's engineers. The new approach was to develop a clean solid core code base for Windows which new features could more easily be added to over time and Allchin introduced new tools that would automatically reject buggy code." end quote Well maybe next summer you might get something to replace Windows XP and yes it is sloppy code and yes hackers find flaws in that code to take advantage of weaknesses in Windows based computer systems. As for Vista, or Longhorn, or whatever it's called it's a long way off, they had to start from scratch, thats how bad the operating system your using now is. Microsoft should have started from scratch a long time ago. To everyone I know this is a gardening site, not a tech site, so I apologize for the rant and I will not speak of this matter again. I think I'll follow up on some bamboo threads.

Thanks for the help, Jack! I used latex primer in the original work but see the wisdom in using oil based as you suggest. I've also been advised to go with a durabond setting compound this time instead of the joint compound in a bucket that I used before as it dries much harder and is more resistant to water. Using that in combination with the oil based primer will hopefully give me a durable repair. Thanks again!

Attempting to seal a leaky ABS or PVC joint by applying more glue or any topical sealant such as JB Weld is iffy at best. Technically speaking the term "Gluing" ABS or PVC is a misnomer. The act of gluing occurs when an adhesive is applied between two surfaces and they are held together by the adhesive material clinging to the surface of both pieces. Such is not the case with ABS & PVC. ABS or PVC glue literally melts the surface of the pipe and fitting material and causes it to expand slightly so as it cures the two materials become fused together in a chemical welding process. The depth of a fitting is carefully computed to insure that when properly fused together the resulting joint will have the same physical strength as the pipe wall. If we fail to properly apply the glue it results in a partial fusing of the material, often leaving paths for leaks such as you describe. It we then apply more glue to the surface of the pipe and fitting it will slightly fuse the two materials, often making a goopy looking mess that has only marginal strength at best. If we then apply topical adhesives such as JB-weld, they also leave the impression of making a good seal, but both ABS & PVC have a fairly high coefficient of thermal expansion. While the JB-weld may appear to be sealing in operation the pipe wall will change dimension from thermal expansion while the topical sealer does not. This then opens up minute cracks between the sealant and the pipe or fitting, resulting in another leak. The only sure way to repair a joint that was not glued properly is to cut it out and replace it.

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