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Posted by cottonpenny
Sun, Jul 22, 12 at 8:37
|Sorry to be so long winded! I'm obviously all over the place here.
Out of these three choices. Walls are chelsea gray with simply white wainscotting and natural cherry floors. Upholstery on furniture will likely change. Room is 15'x15' My foyer light is (likely!) this one:
Choice #1: Pottery Barn Parson light, 32"wx27"h. I like how this picks up the dentil touches on the furniture but isn't too traditional. I like how the finish matches the foyer light.
Choice #2: Ballard Alessandra light. 24"wx34"h. This is the right shape chandelier for the French inspired furniture according to Palimpset, but with a modern touch.
Choice #3: Artcraft pendant. I like how this picks up the geometric shapes of the furniture. It may be a little small at 24" square? Not sure that a square light is a great idea with an oval table either.
|My first choice: Alessandra |
Close second: PB Parson
The lantern seems a little small and inappropriate for a dining room. "Drum" shades, even a square one as lovely as this one, say Mid-Century Modern to me; I'm also afraid they are on their way out.
|Sorry, I'm not a fan of any of them....|
|I like the PB one. It''s updated but still works with your traditional furniture.|
|I agree with Annie, not a fan with any of them.|
|I don't think any of them works. Square one is too modern,Ballard too casual. the PBSone is too light|
|Sorry to rain on your parade again, Cotton, but the first one seems like it's from a Medieval torture chamber. The second one (is so not you, bunny) and the third one is too starkly modern. |
You'll get there, and it will be awesome!
|Can you post a picture of the whole room? If I had to choose, I'd pick the Ballard light because it looks great with your china cabinet.|
|I'm afraid I'm not crazy about any of them for your space. Of the three, I think maybe one (PB), but I'm not enthused about it.|
|I still think you would be well served by something completely non-referential, since you want to skew contemporary but have it work with the furniture. You could play with the scale of it, go a little big, and it doesn't conflict with, diminish, or cheapen the look of the furniture in any way, imo. |
Clearly, not everyone is going to love my choice. But I wish I could get myself to go in one particular direction.
Oakley - can't post a pic of the room cause it's not done yet (new construction) and the furniture is still at my grandmother's house, hence the bad olioboard job.
Pal - where is that from? How big is big?
Anyone else like Palimpset's choice?
|What are the dimensions of your table? The size of the fixture should be determined by the size of the table- the width of the table minus 12" is a standard guideline.|
|I know you said plain, but any chance this could work (in white/cream)? It's 28" wide, so not oversized though.|
|I,too, am not a fan of the above choices. I like to match traditional with traditional. This is what I like: |
Here is a link that might be useful: This is where I found the chandalier:
|I love lighting, and I think there are some terrific choices out there. |
I think Pal's choice is kind of blah and cold.
It is hard to comment or make suggestions because we need some sort of starting point. What do you like and what do you want? WHat kind of metal? Approx budget, etc
|I would like pal's choice if your room were MCM or contemporary. However, with your furniture it is too stark. In addition, this style has been very popular for several years and hit its peak about two years ago and will look very dated before long.|
|mtnredux - I like things that are somewhat modern, a little industrial, but classic is good too. I don't like sparklies or things that are overly feminine. I think most things people label as "traditional" are too fancy/ornate. I've rarely thought something is "too simple" - I like plain things more often than not. A lot of the other fixtures in my house will be black metal, so I was leaning towards that (see above foyer light). |
If I were buying my own set, I'd buy a replica of a real Shaker table/chairs (not Shaker-style). But this set is my grandma's and I'm taking it cause it's of Very Good Quality; for sentimental reasons; and because it makes her happy and a 91 year old's happiness is more important than my decorating.
My budget is around $1000 for the perfect "I love that!" fixture. Around $400 for a placeholder.
|I LUV redsox's Hubbardton Forged one. The others just don't go with your beautiful traditional dining set.|
|I like the one redsox posted, or one similar to it. Sorry.|
|I don't like that twisty thing in the middle. Ick. |
But I posted another hubbardton forge one in the other thread that was very similar without the twisty and no one liked it.
Here is a link that might be useful: old thread
|I don't think any of them work. Actually I think they are all so far "off" they look like they were left by the previous owner and you haven't gotten around to replacing them with something appropriate for the furniture. |
On second glance, my only real objection to the Alessandra is the apparent size. It looks way too big in the picture. If it is smaller, it would be fine.
As always the only opinion that really counts is your own.
|I know I am batting zero here, but something has to actually go with each other in this room to make it work. Right now you have a very traditional french-inspired mid-century dining set, going in a dining room with shaker wainscotting, and you want to skew contemporary with the lighting. |
This is the reason that I suggested a kind of non-entity for the lighting. I think you either have to go French or MCM-inspired traditional to go with the furniture or something that is pretty similar to what you are putting in the entry, to go with the house. Shaker lighting really only works with shaker furniture... Do they have other fixtures in the same collection or family?
|Here's another possibility from Ballard's. It's traditional while still being a bit whimsical, and has the little bit of sparkle you were considering: |
|The wainscotting isn't shaker, it's the usual stuff they put up these days. It's just not up so I used a cabinet piece that I already had in olioboard. So if that's throwing things off I apologize. |
This is the "chandelier" that goes with the foyer light.
|This one is available in black. The lines are graceful and a bit modern but it also leans traditional without being froufrou. I think it would be a good fit for your eclectic room, but not sure the size it comes in or what size you'll need. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Hubbardton Forge
|Chibimimi, I think that chandelier is perfect...except for the price, lol.|
Here is a link that might be useful: Chibimimi's Suggestion
|How high are the ceilings? I like the PB one but I'm afraid tall people would hit their head on it because of the width.|
|Here's chibimimi's suggestion: |
|I'm sure you must be getting discouraged - I'm know I would be. Unfortunately I too am not a fan of the above options you presented either. I have two thoughts. |
One is that maybe once the room is finished and the furniture in you will be better able to tell what light will really work. Part of what is influencing things are the items that your gmother has in her cabinets. I'm assuming you will have other things and that will make a difference.
The other is that you are trying to coordinate the light to the probable foyer light and I think that is limiting you to a large degree. Maybe you need to do that, maybe not. What's the layout?
If it were me I'd give it a rest for a while and get the room finished, the furniture in, stuff in the hutch, and then revisit the light issue. Sometimes a break is a good thing.
|Beeps - yes, I'm frustrated. I guess I could choose something super cheap for now. I may either do this, or choose something and stop asking for opinions ;-) |
Palimpset - what is that light? It's similar to the PB one without the mirrors.
|What about this one , with or without shades, very reasonable price at lamps plus.|
|Currey & Co 9962 Florentine Chandelier |
You may also want to look at Robert Abbey Rico Espinet Candelaria.
|Or, If you are feeling really iconoclastic Maarten Bass' Smoke Chandelier from Moooi. Unlike his furniture pieces, which are one-of-a-kind genuine classics that he's torched, this one is reproduced. |
|I'm doing the "super cheap" option on the lights in my new build. I have purchased the pendant lights but none of the others yet. I'm having the builder put in all the standard stuff 1) so I can see what the space really looks like when it is done and my stuff in, and 2) so I don't have to make so many decisions right now. :) Only problem is I get complacent and then the "super cheap" stuff could be there for years! :O) |
And I hear ya on stopping asking for opinions! Probably not a bad idea! =) Good luck.
|You may want to look at Circa Lighting, Currey and Company, Urban Electric, Brown and Co, Deco et Cie. These are some of the ones I have bookmarked. |
|Palimpset - that burned up one is awesome, but probably a bit much for me! |
Beeps - I'm pretty sure I'd have the super cheap stuff for forever if I got it hung up. Plus, my build doesn't include any fixtures, I just have an allowance. So I would have to actively go out and buy a cheap light and even a cheap light in the size I need is a few hundred $$!
PB has one that is sort of similar to Pal's currey and co light on sale for 1/3 the price....hmmm....;-)
|I agree with beeps - I think it's going to be difficult to pick one out without seeing how everything actually looks together in the space. Sometimes what you envision and what you end up with aren't the same thing. |
That being said, the only 2 I really like are chibimimi's and AnnieDeighnaugh's.
|Oh. I see cotton. Must say - wish I got an allowance! :( I either use their cheap stuff or select my own and then they buy it and charge me nearly 2x's retail on my selections. And I can't buy it myself and supply it to them for installation. For the most part I'm saying s*#&$ that. I'll remove theirs (lights and faucets) and donate them to Habitat for Humanity or something. Good luck with your selections. :) Hope other things are going more smoothly than the light selection! :-)|
|Not a fan of the earlier choices. I like this one - traditional, yet the squaring off of all the parts gives it a newer feel, and echoes the table legs. The angles where the arms attach to the chandelier repeat the angles on the panels on the doors and pleated shades hint at the design on the apron of the table. |
fifth avenue collection
I don't see the dining set as French at all, more of a modern mediterranean that was popular in the 60's. It is a lovely set, clean lined and pretty wood tone. You could always change the hardware on the cabinet.
|Did you like the French shape Pal suggested? Here is another in that vein, but not in black -- Medium Paris Flea Market from Circa. |
Saw some others I liked, but they might be too much for the budget. :(
|I don't care if you "see" it or not: this is Louis XVI furniture in a MCM interpretation, no question. Here is original Louis XVI: |
|#1 has my vote! |
#2 looks messy
#3 looks trendy
I think you need something lighter in that room. The belle epoque shape of #2 is exactly what you'd expect in a room full of French furniture, which is one reason I would not use it. And remember, whatever light you choose will look more substantial when the light is ON.
|I am sure you are much better educated on furniture periods than I, Palimpset, so if you say it is MCM-interpreted Louis XVI, I bow to your knowledge. |
You are right - it doesn't matter what I "see', does it?
|I realize I was being snarky. |
But it's not a matter of being right or wrong just for the sake of being right.
Whatever kind of fixture goes in the room is going to be based upon a matter of opinion, since the OP doesn't want a French inspired fixture, and opinions are not right or wrong. So the fixture can be chosen that reflects a shape of the furniture or fits the house or rejects any convention.
But even if you are breaking or ignoring the rules. such as they are, you should know what you are breaking. And there are only two real "givens" in this situation, the Furniture and the House and its other fixtures. Since the furniture is one of the few givens, it's better to identify it.
Sometimes I think that when someone is going for "eclectic", that they think it means that each object can be chosen independently just because you like it. But it's not going to exist in a vacuum, so it can't really be chosen completely independent of the "facts" or givens, anyway.
|OK, ignore this if you prefer, but these are a couple of budget busters. I am posting because I know you could probably find something with similar style if there is a look you like. |
French Country Inn from Circa -- takes the French more rustic instead of more formal
Circa Piedmont -- something in between the others
Circa Ralph Lauren Broomfield -- contemporary but I like the added metal. It is less stark and has a better feel for me in that room.
I do like the lines of the one Pal suggested that is #2 in the OP, but am not sure what the details of it are. It seems too fussy in that picture, whatever it is, but that may be just the photo. The Circa Paris Flea Market is still a bit fussy, but I know you can find lots of things with that general shape. The shape can be expected but still have a different take and be fresh.
BTW, I LOVE the PB fixture, but not for your DR. I see where you are headed with the other two, but they aren't clicking for me either. If you don't find something that you are sure is perfect, I'd go pick a $50-$100 fixture from HD or Lowe's or a recycled fixture at ReStore or something and wait until you find "The One."
|I do like the French Country inn, but you're right, above my budget. Even the smaller size is $1470. And I kind of wish it wasn't "antique rust" colored. |
I never denied the French inspirations of my grammie's pieces, but she bought them (new) in 1969, which is a little late for MCM, right?
|I realize you saw their french influence. Up to about 1970 is considered Midcentury Modern but since these names are given after the fact and modern periods don't have strict beginnings and ends--they blend together and styles emerge as others fade, it's within the time frame.|
|Thanks for your help, palimpset. Still not sure which direction I'll go. |
BTW, I think we have similar, if not VERY similar day jobs.
|do you like something like this?|
Here is a link that might be useful: chandelier
|Then let's look for something similar in a better price range (or find you something really cheap or free to use while you save up for the splurge ;-) ). |
This Murray Feiss is more like the Piedmont, but try to imagine it with fewer or no crystals.
This Kichler is only $152
This Kichler makes a nod to the more modern look, but I'm throwing it in too.
|and another one |
This one was showing when I previewed the page above - not sure why it isn't now. This was the first of those three
|Thomasville has a line called "Palais" that is a well priced belle epoch style. I have linked to a webpage but there are many more pictures at places like universal lighting. I think the six light would be about right for your room, bit the 9light is a Statement if your ceilings are high enough. A restaurant near us has 10 of the nine-light Palais chandeliers and they are very nice looking. It looks MUCH better without the shades, which are a travesty on this style, IMO!|
Here is a link that might be useful: Thomasville Palais chandelier
|Cottonpenny, so you look in people's mouths all day? Tell us more! There's a trend here...dental professionals also make skilled decorators. Who knew?|
|I'm just throwing this out there...it's traditional but with a twist. |
|This is the 9-light Thomasville Palais chandelier. There are places on the internet where it is available for around $850. |
|I know this may not go over well because it's bronze but I like that the shades are a bit contemporary looking while the light has a bit of vintage and french flare. |
|The one bee posted is one of my favorites. I am thinking of getting the mini version for my bathroom. I haven't seen it in person yet. The mini is about $800, so it may be a budget buster too. |
The Murray Feiss one is not showing up for me again. The photo shows up in previews, but not when I post and come back. Never had that happen before. Anyway, I saw those last night at Lighting Universe. The have a sort selection for Paris Fleas Market, so I chose that and the Murray Feiss was on the first page when I was looking. It was around $500.
|I like that one jterrilynn, where did you find it?|
|My daughter just put up this light - it's polished chrome, classic but modern and sophisticated, I think . Although you preferred darker metal, I've always broken the rules. My kitchen fixture is ORB; my dining room is a 30+ year old bright brass Fredrick Raymond. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Quoizel sutton place 6 light chandelier
|The drum shade in that same Quoizel collection could be a possibility in the more modern direction. The chrome is covered by glass balls, where it is less distracting, and the drum shade. I'm not all matchy either. I have an antique brass rimmed glass barrel in my foyer (with mocha walls) and an aged silver frame on my dining room chandelier (lots of crystal against blue walls). Reversing them or trying to match would make one looks awkward. Not always best to match, especially if there is a reason not to.|
|Hi Marti8a, here you go ...|
Here is a link that might be useful: nice light
|I like the style and finish of jterrilynn's pic. I'm really not seeing shiny chrome with that furniture.|
|I don't want to be a party pooper, but the one jterrilynn posted from 1st Dibs is $1800. |
I like the one that kswl posted. It's $894.78 on most sites. The one I linked below has free shipping.
Here is a link that might be useful: Littman Bros.
|Hey I said I like the light...not that I could afford it lol. It's really meant as an inspiration. About six months ago I saw lots chandeliers close to that in the resale for rehab store for $35 to $75. I bought my son a cheap version of a Hollywood Regency chandelier for there $20 but the nice ones were a bit more.|
|Gosh this is tough.... I tend to like the light that lascats posted. I think you need to go golden or ORB. Not sure the chrome or polished nickel will be as complimentary to your style and furniture.|
|I feel your pain. Lighting is the hardest, especially dining room, because I don't like fussy either. Do any of these appeal? |
|I like the third one inthe series above. It has the classic updated belle epoch shape but in a minimalist interpretation.|
|Segbrown where did you find the last one (5th) I love that. |
Who knew brass could look so sexy.
|When in doubt, I usually go vintage: |
Here is a link that might be useful: Regency French Swan chandelier on eBay, $420
|All those are from circa lighting. I coveted that last one when we did our house a few years back, but the proportions weren't right. It's Eric Cohler for Visual Comfort, right at about $1000. |
I love the third one, too; that's the one that blows the budget, though. But maybe for inspiration....
|I love this site, and get a lot of ideas. But do real people actually pay @1000 or more for a light fixture? If I could drive it to work maybe....|
|Here is the chandelier I bought. I think it would work in your space too. It is similar to the very expensive ones above. It was disc. and is only 350. It was originally, when I started stalking it two years ago (!), 1200.00. I think it's beautiful and the shape is lovely. No, it's not hanging yet. I like clean lines and nothing too fussy. It's based on some 40's design. I hope it might work for you too. I meant to post it yesterday, but I forgot! Oh, the color is a true brushed gold. My husband hates the color he has now told me. I'm considering having it painted nickel or chrome as the rest of the house is that tone. But, I do very much like the color as it's warm and sophisticated. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Quoizel chandy.
|BTW, we painted our lower cabinets in chelsea gray and it looks really lovely next to the dark gray. Our walls are in revere pewter. I think the dark gray sets it off perfectly. If you need me to I can drag that bad boy back in and take a picture of it next to our cabinets. |
|I do think plenty of people pay $1000 or more for a light fixture, especially for an important position like over a table. They wouldn't sell them if people didn't buy them.|
|Segbrown - you have great taste! I love your kitchen, too. I like #1 (without shades), #3 and #5. |
Kimiko - Your light looks like a knock off of Segbrown's #1 above - and I mean that in a nice way! Does that Quoizel light have candles underneath those shades? How does it look without the shades? I wonder if it might work, and it is probably cheap enough to get it now and then if I hate it later I won't have invested too much. It's sort of similar to the shape Palimpset posted, and it's the right scale and price. I'm not sure about the color but guess, for that price, I could spray paint if I don't like it. Or I could get the pewter.
Will this one work?
(please please please say yes! ;-) )
|Lighting is likely jewelry for a room. It's not hard to spend several thousand on a light, and I don't mean something huge or dripping with crystals. Like jewelry, I think you can really tell the good stuff, especially in person. I did find some relative bargains with vintage stuff and some quirky French pieces. But I think the look you are going for is more traditional. |
I like your choice! I also like all the circa lighhting pieces Segbrown posted .. I think I recommended Circa too. To me, Circa is good quality but not terrible pricing. I don't think you can go wrong with your last choice or any of those Circa ones. They are simple yet with a sort of nod to the French!
|I really like Circa because it is very well edited. Lighting stores and websites are completely overwhelming to me, and I really *dislike* 98% of what they are selling.|
|I like all of Segbrown's and #3 really gets to the correct shape, I think. I agree Seg, I feel like I am really weeding through and awful lot of bad stuff to find something I like. |
I think the last one you posted, Cottonpenny, works. I am not in love with that heavy ball on the bottom, but it has a nice essential form.
|I am sorry if I missed it ... has ceiling height been posted? I don't even know how tall any of these are. |
(Thanks for the compliments on the kitchen, too, I forgot to acknowledge! It's still going strong, I don't want to tear anything out yet. ;-)
|Seg - it's a 9 ft ceiling. |
Well, it's done. I ordered the Quiozel one. It came to $340 with free shipping and a $20 coupon code and I think it'll look nice enough. I agree that I don't love the ball at the bottom but the others I liked were a lot more. And in the context of a new build that $700 or $1000 does make a difference. For this price, I can afford to replace in a few years when I have the room and the furniture together and can really tell what's going to work well.
The hardware on the furniture is brass so I got the gold one. I think it may stand out better against the grey walls, too.
I'm excited for this to be done and move on to other decisions!
For stinky, gratuitous hutch photo ;-)
|I think the Quoizel will fit the bill better than anything that has been posted. (other than the completely traditional French ones). My cylindrical shade would have been in the placeholder category. |
The Quoizel has a nice shape on it's own and its referential to the shape that I feel like the furniture asks for as well.
If it is a little big, Dorothy Draper used oversized fixtures of this sort with a relatively shorter chain length if necessary, and that's okay too.
|I like it, too, and I do like the brass, of course. I ended up with this one for our dining room, which is mahogany and cherry furniture. Brass just looks good with that color. Not the best photo, but |
|Ooh, I like your final choice! I also liked all of the lights that segbrown posted. I was afraid that you would end up with something too glitzy and trendy. I don't even mind the little ball at the bottom.|
|I do like that shape. I didn't post one because of one of your comments about something you didn't like that ade me feel you wouldn't like that shape either. I was wrong. Don't tell my kids! LOL |
And, for the record, I like all the Circa fixtures as well as the one cottonpenny ordered better than the cheaper ones I posted.
|Oh yay! |
I'm so glad that it worked for you! I thought that it might. I also do not love the ball at the bottom, but for the price you really can't beat it! It's very light, but comes in a huge box. The shades are paper (I believe) and there are candles underneath. Since it's still pretty much boxed up, I can't tell you how it would look without the shades (I didn't open up the shade boxes). I was thinking about the same thing.
My husband said he could live with the brass as I was going to get the nickel one (really for him). By the time we decided on the nickel, they were all sold out everywhere. I mean everywhere! So, I got the same one you got in the same finish for less on ebay. I thought for the price, I could spray it too. FYI: I called maaco and they quoted me 125 to spray it chrome without a clearcoat 185 with. Just in case you didn't want the hassle of painting.
Glad it worked!
|I'm late to the party. It seems you already ordered. Just in case you don't love your new light when it arrives, Ethan Allen has the a version of the french country one posted above that you liked and it's not rust. |
They also have several more that I think would work in your space.
I'm currently in love with #3.
Here is a link that might be useful: Ethan Allen Scarlet
|segbrown, where did you get that chandelier? I just showed it to dh and he likes it, he likes it!|
|It's from Visual Comfort (as much as I dislike lighting, I like pretty much everything from VC) -- Studio Sandy Chapman Ring Chandelier. I bought it from a local lighting store, but it's in the online stores. Seems the local price was cheaper ... but that was a few years ago, and i know metal is more $$.|
|Thank you, I'll look it up and see what else dh & I can agree on.|
Got this light in the mail (the one above from Quiozel). The gold color is "different". It's not brass but gold. It would look really stunning with blue walls, I think. But I already have grey...
So we'll see how it works out. I'm going to need some gold accessories to tie it together, I think. It's going to force sort of a grey and yellow (gold) look I think.
If anyone is wondering, I don't think it can be used without the shades, cause there are no real "candle" looking things underneath.
|That's pretty. If you want, tou can buy the candle covers separately ... http://www.chandelierparts.com/chandeliercandlecovers.aspx |
Also, for anyone else looking, I forgot to mention the Ballard catalog .. they have some nice (and nicely priced) chandeliers
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