Painted Living Room Wilmington Tan-Ready for Next Step

We painted the living room and entry last weekend in Wilmington Tan and I wanted to share the results (so far) and get some advice on our next steps. At this point, we are leaning towards keeping the accent wall--unless the majority here say to paint it. Once we finalize the rug, we will revisit that decision. Hopefully this week the crown will be installed and the drapes the following week. I tried a few different furniture arrangements and this is what I came up with.

I was concerned how the new color would go with the existing color in the dining room, but I like the combination of colors better than I though I would:

Another option we had considered was the do the sofa opposite the fireplace and the bergere chairs to either side, but we find the view to be obstructed by the sofa. I am open to other suggestions as well as any other pieces of furniture I should get for the room. There are a few other pieces I'm considering for this room. Namely, a coffee table, console table for behind the sofa, and a corner mahogany curio cabinet to balance out the tall plant.

Here is where I'd really like some feedback:

1. rug: are there any rules for size? I was thinking getting it large enough so that it goes under the front legs of the sofa and chairs. Would love some ideas what you think would look good in this room.

2. coffee table: What size and shape would look good? Should I keep to the Duncan Phyfe leg style or do something different? I have two very different visions: one is to do something with metal and glass so the rug shows below and provides a balance to all the wood--at the same time I'm concerned I may look out of place/period. The second one is to get a mahogany lyre style coffee table--like I've been eyeing for the past two months. After months of searching Craigslist, I found the following one on CL:

The price is right and the seller wants to hold on to it until the end of the month--which seems a bit odd, but gives me a bit of a breather to decide. However, I'm not sure that a rectanglar coffee table works. Perhaps it should be square? I've not seen any 1940's style that are sqyare, though.

3. art work: I know I want to put a painting over the mantle; but am also considering something over the piano--esp. if I keep it in the center. Ideas? Another large painting or a mirror? Perhaps two? Is there a rule of thumb regarding artwork where there should be one main one (fireplace which is the focal point) and others are more supporting pieces? What about this mirror? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/fur/563181457.html or this one: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/fur/562929398.html

4. mirror: Where should I put the mirror I bought a few weeks ago at the estate sale? I have two possible locations: one is in the entry over the game table and the second is in my master bedroom. Earlier Les had suggested an oval mirror for the entry and I had also received feedback to put a mirror over my dressor in order to deemphasize the TV.
entry:

master bedroom location:

Last question is not about my living room, but my master. I had purchased a TV/VCR swivel stand for the TV that is on the dresser. The finish is in cherry, but is lighter than my dresser. I'm thinking of exchanging it for black. the options were really limited and I had to mail order so unfortunately, I need to be pretty sure before I send it back that it will work.

Here is a link that might be useful: Lyre/harp coffee table

The color looks pretty in there. As far as the accent wall goes, my vote would be to paint it. Either the same color, or lighter or darker than the WT, or, I'd really be considering a soft washed out coral/terra color.

I think that because the color of the accent wall is so different from the color of the other walls, it just looks like you are still in the process of painting (as in, "next weekend we need to finish that last wall!"). Love the table in your foyer. But not so sure about the round table that is next to the chair that has the tall plant behind it. It seems too tall and also too large in diameter, as it almost seems to be creeping into the hall. I also think (more unsolicited advice) that the ottoman should be with one of the chairs, not in front of the fireplace. I like the CL coffee table!

So far, it sounds like two votes are both painting the accent wall. Any other opinions?

squirrel: If I were to paint the wall, I would just do it in the WT or the Oat Straw. I already have three nuetrals in close vicinity: the two you see plus the color that the LR was painted before is in the hallway.

sueb20: Appreciate the feedback. I have been toying with putting the ottomans in front of the chairs or elsewhere. It just seems for a more formal room, this is not a put up your feet and relax place. I'm actually considering a small side table and moving the round one to the other side of the sofa--though I think it would also have the height issue. What do you think of this?

Here is a link that might be useful: Lady Aster side table

LR: I agree about the ottoman: they look strange placed where they are. Also, is there anywhere else for you to put the piano? I'd like to see that round end table next to one of the chairs moved to between the chairs. I like the color of the accent wall--alot--but I don't think it works here, and I think it would really open up the room to paint that wall the same colors as the other walls.

As for the size of the rug, that's really a personal preference: you could do a 5x8 or 6x9, large enough to cover the space between the sofa and chairs, or go larger with an 8x10 or 9x12 (depending on the length of the sofa), to go under the sofa and chairs. Personally, I think I'd prefer the smaller choice. When it comes time for rug shopping, just bring home more than one size so you can try it out and then make your decision. I like the coffee table, but wonder if a round one might not look better?

mirror: If you use it, I'd hang it horizontally over the entry table. I do think, though, that a different kind of mirror would work better there--perhaps not in gold (but that may be just my preference).

That said, I absolutely love your furniture and nice flow of your beautiful home. I agree that the new wall color coordinates well with the dining room walls. :)

I love your furniture and the new wall color goes beautifully. I would paint the accent wall the same color.

I would leave the accent wall. Once you get the rest of the fabrics in the room, I think it will be a nice contrast to all the gold tones coming in. Accent pillows on the couch that pull the color, perhaps a pretty lamp with a handpainted ginger jar base that pulls the color around the room, etc.

I am sure you have tried all kinds of arrangements for the furniture. If you like what you have, that is fine, but you need to pull everything in closer - right now it looks like the couch and the two chairs are taking sides in a fight. LOL

You said you didn't like the idea of the couch facing the fireplace, with the chairs on either side of the fireplace, because it blocked the view. Not sure what view you are referencing, but if you mean the view of the mantel, that will change once you get some art and accessories up on the mantel - it will have greater presence.

My first thought would be to find another room for the piano. I am going forward on the assumption that that is not possible. I don't like it in between the two chairs, like an end table. It looks crowded and out of proportion, and would be odd should someone want to play and people are sitting there - plus the round table is odd and a bit big floating by the one chair.

If the piano is staying, I would move it down on the wall toward the fireplace end. Then have one armchair sitting facing the couch, the round table to the right of it, and the other armchair at a right angle to that, facing the fireplace.

Or, move the piano on the diagonal across the corner where the palm is now. Move the couch to that side of the room, closer to the fireplace, with an end table on the left side with a lamp. Move the palm down to the corner near the fireplace on that same wall. Then put the armchairs angled toward one another in front of the window area, with the round table between them with a lamp. You might consider putting the two ottomans for the chairs next to one another in front of the couch as a coffeetable-ottoman. Or, put them on either side of the fireplace against the blue wall. I don't think you can use both of them in front of the chairs AND have a coffee table there, too.

I would love to see a tall cabinet on the end wall to the left end of the window,facing the fireplace.

I am not crazy about adding more of the same legs in the room - you have a lot already. Consider an upholstered round ottoman with lots of great bullion fringe and tufting, or a glass top table on a verdegris metal table base.

The mirror is too small for either the hall or the bedroom, imo. I would find a small wall to hang it on in the hall, perhaps. I still think an oval mirror would be great above the hall table.

I would do the tv stand on the dresser in black. I think it will blend in with the tv and look like a part of it. Better than the mismatched wood.

I think you should leave the accent wall. It looks wonderful.

I'm in a hurry to get to work, so I'll just comment on the coffee table for now. I really agree with Les that either a tufted ottoman or a metal table with glass (go very traditional, not contemporary) would look the best there. Don't have time to take a picture, but I have an older painted metal/glass table (antique gold over deep red that shows through in spots) that has bamboo style legs and I love it in my formal l/r with the mahogany accent pieces. Really breaks things up and adds interest. Another option is a nice painted "tray table" with thin elegant legs and a painted tray on top.

The WT looks great, but, I also think I would go ahead and paint that one accent wall. On my monitor I'm not crazy how it works with the chairs. The two colors together seem off somehow. But, that may be the way monitors distort colors. Might be a lot different IRL. I also would be concerned that it might make picking a rug harder. I too wondered if the piano had to stay in there. It seems to take away from the furniture where it is. I would try to angle it, if possible either by the fireplace end or down in the corner towards the entrance of the room. Not sure if it would fit there though. If the piano wasn't where it is now, I would leave the sofa where it is, but pulled in closer and place the two chairs across from the sofa with the round table between them with a lamp. I like Les' idea of a tufted ottoman with bouillon fringe in the same color of the sofa. The fringe in a deeper tan gold color. A rug with the soft blue, cream and tan would bring it all togther. Here are a few:

I really like the wall colors together. The right rug will make all the difference, IMO. And a pillow or two in the wall color. I'm not usually a fan of accent walls, but I think it gives the room some interest and really draws your eye to the fireplace in a wonderful way. Keep the view through that room to the fp open!

I am not loving the DR color on my monitor, but if you are happy, that's good. Looks like a close-but-not-quite match from here. At the very least, you don't have an urgent need to paint, given that it's not bothering you as much as you thought it might.

I would love to experiment with the furniture arrangement in your room. Would you mind sharing the room dimensions and the measurements of the piano, sofa and chairs? I would like to see the piano in another location and the chairs in front of the window instead of the sofa. I also think a skirted table between the 2 chairs would be nice. I hope it's not too much work to do all the measuring because I'd love to help you arrange your room. Oh and by the way, I love your paint color choice. We have Wilmington Tan in our family room. And if you keep the accent wall color, I love the suggestion from Les to add pillows on the sofa in that color.

How about if you try moving the 2 ottomans together (side by side) and use that as your coffee table? Set a lovely tray across one of them at an angle and have a soft throw tossed on the other.

They could then be spread apart if additional seating is needed or a 2nd tray added for additional refreshment area.

This would also give you the chance to see if you really have the space for a coffee table. You may find that one really crowds the space and is a traffic flow upsetter. Plus doing this will not add any more legs to the visual-ness of the room.

Placed together they would read as one unit and would help tie the chairs to the space.

Love the elegance of the room even if unfinished!

It's nice to get some more feedback on the room.

accent wall: based on mixed feedback, it's on hold for now until after the rug

piano: Yes, it stays in the room. There is no other spot for it, plus I like it there--even though my DD stopped lessons, my younger DD might start plus we occasionally have parties where someone will play the piano for us and we sing Christmas carols.

kmcg85: I like the second rug you pictured

I like the idea of a combo metal/glass table more than a tufted ottoman as it will work better with serving guests refreshments. It's not possible to put the two ottomans side-by-side. It's hard to tell from my pictures, but they both have a curved shape and are slightly different sizes (and a slightly different style) from one another.His-and-her ottomans to match the his-and-hers chairs.

I played around with some of Les' furniture arrangements and I think a variation of her second suggestion has possibility. Putting the piano on an angle doesn't seem to work with my space as it partially blocks some wall switches.

Anyway here are some pics of her suggestion:

First One:

Second One:

bac717: I'd love any other suggestions you might have for my space. I had put some ideas on graph paper awhile ago that has some dimensions of the room. It's a 6" scale. Here it is:

In addition the furniture measurements are:

sofa: 84"L x 36"W
his chair: 32"L x 28"W (where L is measured side-to-side)
his ottoman: 28"L x 24"W
her chair: 29"L x 26"W
her ottoman: 28"L x 22"W
drum tables: 26" diameter round
piano: 50"L x 23"W (though seat will push it out approx another 6")

Thanks for all the pictures and measurements. I've been using arrange-a-room from the BHG website and would love to share the picture, but I have no idea how to include it in my post, so I will try to explain what I've come up with. It's not much yet, but here's what I'd suggest, so far. First of all, I've split up the two chairs and am using only one ottoman. Altho I originally said I'd like to see the chairs in front of the window, I put the sofa in front of the window (but not too close) with the larger chair and ottoman to the right of the FP and angled toward the sofa. Across from the sofa on the large wall, I put the piano centered or slightly to the right depending on how the larger chair works near the FP. The other smaller chair would be placed perpendicular to the sofa with it's back to the entry to the room. I hope there will be enough room to do that. I also added an 8X10 area rug. There should be enough space behind the sofa for a sofa table where you could place a lamp or two. I would use a floor lamp with the chair and ottoman near the FP. I hope this helps. A rug will make a world of difference in your room.

I like the layout you did on paper. I also like the second area rug posted. Sometimes the layout will look best once the rug is in place as it will anchor the pieces. I like the piano in the corner per your paper diagram. It looks off inbetween the two chairs.

If you don't have room for 1 or both ottomans in front of the chairs, I'd remove them from the room. They look like an after thought, and if you want a nice coffee table, it might be hard to fit it all in.

I also like the photo's you posted of the chairs at right angles to each other and the piano in the back corner. You'd be able to see the fireplace and area rug much better with that config.

As far as your MB tv stand, why don't you get some gel stain or polyshades in mahogany and just stain in a darker brown? I think that would look better than black and you wouldn't have to ship that one back and pay the shipping on another.

I'd get a rug in there before you decide on the accent wall. Leave it as it is, pick a rug, settle on a furniture placement and then decide on the wall. It may look fine, or you may opt for all the same or even a different accent color that perhaps is in the rug.

Bac717's suggestion sounds nice, too! My only concern is the room feeling furniture heavy to the left side - but it could be the right solution and certainly worth trying!

When I suggested putting the piano in the corner, I guess I wasn't thinking that it had to straddled the corner exactly, but simply angle into the space - in other words, shifted left to allow access to the switches, so it would move a bit left down the wall as well. Then the couch could be on the same wall, and the chairs on the window side.

But, perhaps that whole angle thing just doesn't work for you, Of the two arrangements you tried, I much prefer the piano down by the fireplace, and the two chairs at right angles to one another. I would switch them, tho, so the larger chair is the one with its back to the doorway, the smaller chair on the piano wall side. I would move the plant back into that corner behind the chairs, put it on a pot stand for more height and uplight it.

Be sure the chairs are at a right angle to one another, not angled toward one another and the couch. It will give you more room for the table to sit nicely between the chairs.

Sorry, I don't care for the arrangement with the couch on the long wall and the piano behind it - it makes the piano look like an afterthought, rather than the loved and used piece that it is.

I agree that a rug will add a lot to the space, and I know that is coming down the line. Once you set up the furniture, that will help you decide what size rug you want to use, too.

I'm glad you liked the rug. They are from the peerless site. I kinda liked the last one because it picked up on the terracotta/red color that is also featured in the flowers in your drapes. It also seemed subtle enough not to scream "look at me"! Just a nice compliment. I like the furniture arrangement you have on your drawing. How does that work out?

Val
Looking Good! I didn't read all the posts so excuse me if I'm repeating -
1. I vote to paint the accent wall
2. I like the furniture arrangement on paper
3. I would opt not to get a coffee table yet, I recently took mine out of the room - I prefer the arrangement - You have a smaller scale room & already a lot of furnishings -Try getting rug & finalizing the room layout and see how you like it w/o the coffee table - to me it's a real traffic stopper/obstacle - in addition the scale of my lovely cherry Stickley looked silly next to the big H&M sofa
Rug - this is such a personal opinion but I would definately do a rectangle -

I'll give it a try on my fav site -
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Bring cushions from both sofa & chair w/you when looking at rugs - I'd be careful with rugs that have a lot of blue as it may clash w/chairs

good luck

Here is a link that might be useful: safavieh

syllabus: We must've posted at the same time. That's an interesting idea about arranging the ottomans. I hadn't thought of accessorizing with a tray and throw. I'll have to play with that one.

bcc717: I will try out your arrangement--though I'm not sure it will work with drapery access. The are being installed tomorrow and I had ordered a left pull so I need to have a pathway to the drapes on the left--but I will arrange and see how it works. Would love to see your rendition. Do you think an 8x10 is the best size rug for me? What is the next size up?

les: I will also tweak your version one some more. Right now the crown molding is being put up so I had to move everything and tommorrow the drapes go up so that will help as well.

jejvtr: Thanks for the rug selections. I'm going to look through them all.

caroleoh: I had also wondered about staining the stand darker, but I wasn't sure if it would come out. I did reorder the stand in black, but won't ship this one back until I get the black one in so I can decide. I was just wondering if it'd take a darker stain?

Since some of though the version with the sofa opposite the fireplace had potential, I'm posting some old pictures I'd taken with that type of arrangement--as I'm sure there could be some improvement to how I'd put it. I wish I had more of a distance shot, but heopfully these will give you some idea.

Call this Version 3:

Tomorrow afternoon I can try out some more suggestions anyone might have for me--once the drapes are up. I do appreciate all these suggestions--some I never would've dreamed up.

One thing I did like about putting the fireplace on the right side is that it is less visable as you enter the room to the left and it is against the near wall. The fireplace wall really is the focal point of the room.

Keep the accent wall. Just love the color. Pull it into the room with your accessories and rug. I think the two colors go well together. Feel that if you go with WT on all walls, especially as it appears the adjacent room is also a neutral color, there would be no wow factor. Plus you already have a start, as on my monitor the chairs look lovely with the wall.

Would you mind sharing what the color is? I have several rooms I want to paint and would love to use that color somewhere!

If the accent wall is as light as it appears in Version #3, then I would keep it that color--very nice.

I don't like the sofa facing the fireplace: it's a beautiful fireplace and I think it really should be framed, rather than blocked, by the furniture. I like the layout of the "Second One" in "Version 2" best of all. Once you get the rug down and accessorize, I think it will be beautiful. Can't wait to see the crown molding. :)

valinsv - I'm confused by something you mentioned in your last post. "One thing I did like about putting the fireplace on the right side is that it is less visable as you enter the room to the left and it is against the near wall. The fireplace wall really is the focal point of the room." Is your FP not built in?

organic_smallhome: That is about what I concluded. I also lean towards Version 2, though Les does not seem to like it as much as Version 1. Perhaps it's the angle that I took the pics. I think the chairs will look smashing with the backdrop of the drapes and I won't actually be able to visually enjoy the chairs unless I'm sitting in the room--which I don't everyday since we spend more of the day-to-day time in the family room/kitchen. Another thing that I realize is I look at it from a home flow issue--the view I get when I enter the room and the front door which does not come across so well in pictures.

mary_lu: The accent wall color is Behr False Cypress. It is really difficult to get a sense of the true color from photos--as it is influenced by the lighting and surrounding colors. In the latter pictures I had a flash--which sometimes washes out the colors. Sometimes I take without which makes everything look darker as it's a Northern Exposure.

bac717: That was a type-O. I meant piano--not fireplace. Sorry for the confusion.

Val,
I can't wait to see your drapes!! I bet you are so excited.

You have great pieces to work with - you will figure out the arrangement. The WT looks great in there - I think I would paint the accent wall (but take my vote with a grain of salt...as I am not really an accent wall person unless it is in a niche or realy funky wall)

Have you looked at Karastan rugs? It looks like some of their colorways have your colors. After researching, that is what I deceided to go with....I was very intimidated about buying rugs - didn't want to be ripped off AND didn't want to spend private school tuition for something to walk on!!

I still think your DR would be pretty in your accent wall color - it would also introduce the green you have in your family room/kitchen.

Smiles:)

Val- Regarding the swivel for you TV - We have always required a swivel for our TV because of its location - with a flat panel it is very, very easy!! We recently purchased a Sony 40", replacing a very heavy old tube TV so the heavy duty swivel wouldn't work. I purchased a smaller swivel ring for $5.99 at Tru Valu hardware store, laid it directly on the TV stand (glass) and laid a supporting piece the size of the pedestal ( wood spray painted to match the TV pedestal) then set the TV on that. The wood only needs to be 1/4" thick.
Easy and cheap, and works

I'm joining in late but can't resist. Your room is going to be gorgeous, just for starters. Second, I love the couch facing the fireplace; as it allows great conversation with the chairs flanking the fireplace, facing the couch. I am very envious because I don't have a room in my house with that kind of arrangement, and every time we have another couple over, I wish we did. My rooms are long and narrow, and not wide enough to "float" a couch. Believe me, I tried. Anyway, that would also free up a side wall for your piano, and the piano bench can serve as secondary seating for your conversation area. In my next house, I want an arrangement like yours. I also love your sofa table, and it looks great against the back of your couch. Good Luck.

My drapes were installed today and my pillows came in so I thought I'd show you what it looks like now. There was a bit of confusion about the height/rod placement and at this point I'm not sure if I'm going to have them shortened or not as the finials go above the crown. I posted another thread about it so if you have any suggestions in that regard you can let me know.

Until the crown is done I really can't play around too much with the layouts--though other than the piano I like Version 2 because it feels more open and inviting--plus a good view of the chairs and rug which I plan to buy.

This would be the view from my foyer:

And this is the two sides (excuse my trim guy's tool mess plus the extra dining chairs):

The paisley cushions have a bit of the green (slightly different from the shade of the chairs) in them--but it's hard to tell. Perhaps I need more of the green color on the sofa?

I have some extra drapery fabric I'm thinking of using for bolsters for the bergere chairs (perhaps the red for the ends?). I'm also thinking of using the paisley on the cushions for my dining chairs so that when the chairs get brought into this room, they work. Other option could be a stripe.

I love what's going on so far. And I'm really enjoying watching your progress. Everything is just lovely. What a great idea to cooridinate the dining chair fabric so they match when you bring them into the room. I think the paisley fabric would be nice on the dining chairs. I do think the rod and drapes would look better if you could see more of the wall color above the rod.

I can't wait to see the final room!

Val, the other thing that occurred to me about the rod is the weight of the fabric on the ends pulling on it a little? These pictures look better to me though for some reason. I think in a few days it will seem very minor. If you didn't point it out, I probably never would have noticed! It really does look beautiful!

valinsv,

Love, love, love your room so far. It looks great. We also have Wilmington Tan throughout our main living area. It's a nice color. I like the punches of red mixed in.

Your drapery is gorgeous too. May I ask from where you purchased it? We are in need of drapery, as well as a long pole like yours.

I do like the furniture pulled in closer together around the fireplace, and I think if you get a rug and something for over the mantle, it will look fantastic.

Please keep posting your updates,

Jan

Drapes look amazing, even tied up! I do think the rod needs to come down a bit - more like halfway between the window trim and the crown, imo.

I think the couch does need more of the green from the wall/chairs. Could you take the back cushions off the chairs just for now and try them behind the paisley pillows? It would give you a sense of how the green would look, and I think you would like how it pulls that color around the room.

If you end up needing to have green pillows made for the couch, take the red ones from the couch and try them on the green chairs, instead of doing the drapery fabric there. Too matchy if you do the drapery fabric, imo, especially if the chairs will be sitting in front of the window.

I like the idea of covering the dining chairs with the drapery fabric, but be sure it is of the right weight and composition to take the wear that a chair seat does. Personally, I might think about a stripe instead, maybe something like this.

edwardian classic

I know I am a pain, and in the end you have to love it, but the piano-couch combo still looks off to me. Could you at least try angling the piano again, just not so far to the right as to block the switches? I really think you need some 'breathing room' around both the couch and the piano so that they don't look like the piano just sort of got stuck there. Having that space would also allow you to put a console and lamps behind the couch if you chose.

Otherwise, I still vote for the couch on the window side, chairs grouped near the entry, piano by the end wall at the fireplace. Just out of curiosity, does the piano fit on the end wall to the right of the fireplace? Or, could it angle across that corner to the right of the fireplace where the green and tan walls meet?

The room is coming together, and the colors are luscious!

Hard to tell from here, but I think I'd try the piano in front of the window, instead of trying to hide or tuck it away. I'd drop a sheer behind it, but if you're not layering in a sheer or something, it would also block the street from view. It doesn't seem to angle into a corner.

I'd also like to see the seating relaxed a bit, skewed French-y style. I think the room is too small to actually be pulling it away from the walls much. It doesn't have to be flat against the walls but can still be pulled out a bit so everything doesn't feel lined up around the perimeter.

Maybe the new chairs are a bit smaller than these on the plan so the one near the piano can be tucked over a bit more, but I do think it might look nice pulled out into the room and tilted somewhat like this. You also might be able to get an ottoman in front of the fp chair.

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kmcg85: I had wondered about that too; however I remember the center was bowed before he put the drapes up. At this point, the installer sent pics to the labor coordinator and she is going to take a look at them and give me her take on it.
jan_in_wisconsin: Thanks for the compliments. The drapes are custom from Calico Corners. If you wish I can send you the names of the fabric and trim. I think I spent way too much on the rods--they are decorative traverse rods and were also custom. After doing our own install of pinch pleats on rings with fling rods to open/close, I do think that would've been a much less expensive option.

les: I think I am the pain and am surprised everyone still replies to my threads and hasn't gotten tired of seeing this living room and furniture and the gal that can't quite put it all together! I will try out your suggestions tomorrow as our trim guy won't be here until Saturday. Yes, the piano can fit to either side of the fireplace. In fact I designed the fireplace just so I could do that; however, it always looked unbalanced that way. If I was smarter I would've extended that wall where the switches are to accomodate the piano without angling. I will try the angle again, but I wasn't sure I'd have sufficient clearance for the piano stool. Wish you could come out and try it out. Very pretty fabric you selected for the chairs. I will keep that in mind, though what I was thinking was the paisley. I would check with Calico Corners first, though, to make sure it's the right weight. The drapery fabric would not work as it's embroidered and has some little raised sections with a nap that would just get squashed.

squirrel: Interesting idea. It's actually quite similar to my version flipped if you want to scroll to the top. I could try that one again with swapping the chair and drum table. We have to keep in mind as well I need access to the left side of the drapes to open and close them daily.

Maybe the palm in the left fp corner (so the drape control can be reached) -- with a dramatic uplight, for the focal wall? It might also provide some color contrast behind the chair.

The chairs aren't angled quite right, but this is the general idea. The piano looks great there, I think, and provides a rich backdrop to your chairs, imo.

The rod is in the same position but slightly narrower; a little breathing room and it doesn't look so heavy and dominant. I wonder if the weight of the fabric on the ends is causing it to bow slightly??

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Have you considered a needlepoint rug? Reminiscent of the original CC fabric you'd chosen for your chairs.

Or pillow, maybe.

Here is a link that might be useful: Needlepoint Rugs

Squirrel, those rugs are gorgeous! I had been looking at some on ebay in a thread about my LR a few weeks ago. That thread however was very short lived :( I love needlepoint pillows, but haven't seen any I can afford!
Val, they have some very soft colors that would like nice in your room. I still think picking up a little of the terracotta in very small amounts in the rug would be very pretty!

Not suggesting specifics, like the mantel painting, just had good colors and trying to give the impression of your focal point at the fp area rather than just the window.

An Aubusson pillow, or rug.

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I totally missed your thread, kmcg. I wonder how much these are ;) No prices. I did see some around that were surprisingly reasonable though. Just came up on a google. Didn't look into the differences, though.

Val,

Gorgeous room already. Someone else mentioned Karastan; they make some rugs with your color palette in mind that are gorgeous and very versatile. I don't know how to post that link directly here but if you go to www.karastan.com and check the website you could have a good look. I love the agra collection; there is one there that is one of their best sellers and it would be great in your room. Also, for what it's worth, I had a piano with a similar size and shape to yours in our last home and I moved it around all over the place trying to make it "fit". In the end it was best on its own wall, with some art hanging above it and a recessed light in the ceiling. This negated the need for a piano light which looked quite tall and blocked the artwork above. I upholstered the top of the bench in a nice fabric and it looked great and was given a spot worthy of its importance. I would worry about the view from the front of your house if you put it in front of the window, even with sheers. Oh, and forgot to mention, love your drapes!

Is the back of the piano finished? If not, I would definitely not put it in front of the window. Also, just wondering how you plan to use the ottomans. In most of the pics, the ottomans are not placed with the matching chairs. I think it would be very cozy to put the ottomans with the matching chairs, then use the throw and tray idea already posted (sorry, don't know who to give credit to).

You are inspiring me to get busy on my some projects I have been letting sit for some time. Your home is lovely. Thanks for sharing.

I found some very reasonable prices on needlepoints on ebay. One in particular. They are in a warehouse outside NYC. How's this? 9x12 $449.

That's a great price, kmcg! Pretty rug.

I'd think if there were sheers and the piano pulled away from the wall a bit (as it should be, actually) it would look ok from the outside. Don't know w/o the sheers (if the back is finished). Seems to have been a popular place to place a piano over the years, anyway. Shutters? lol. I think near a window view for playing pleasure is nice.

Most important for placement, anyway, would be for it's safe care, depending on your house:

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squirrel: Thank you for posting the mockups, the piano placement info plus the rugs. It's very helpful. I do think though placement in front of the window won't work due to reasons mentioned in guide you had posted--near the windows plus directly below a heating vent--also the back is not finished. Perhaps also it's not such a good idea to either side of the fireplace for same reason of heat. Which leaves somewhere along that back wall. I do like how you arranged the furniture around the piano so I will try flipping the arrangement to the opposite wall. I'm trying to break out of my need for symmetry so these really help! I'm sorry you do not care for my rods, they are custom so I cannot return, though I can swap out the finials or have the drapes shortened/rod moved down since the drapery person I'd had size/measure told me there would be a gap and there is none. I wanted a thicker pole and CC recommended as well due to the length of the drapes in the living room. Perhaps bringing it down will help. I'm attaching a link to the type of rod I have in case you see a different finial you can suggest.

kmcg85: Love the rug, but will not buy on eBay anymore--esp. anything that requires shipping from NYC. I am still embroiled in a disasterous purchase of chairs from a bad seller and now I realize PayPal/ebay's policies turn a blind eye to such people. I like the Karastan/Aubusson rugs; but will have to see how it works with my budget--which I've blown out of the water the past few months. I like the idea of some rust/terracotta in the rug, the green will be tricky as the chairs are a slightly different shade. I still have no idea how to go about purchasing a rug as well as the size, though I was guessing about 9x12. I think I will mark it out on the floor as that is what I'm most worried about--getting too big or small. I do want all front legs to go under to anchor the furniture. I would assume if I go with a needlepoint style I wuold do in the dining room as well. What is the difference between needlepoint and persian rugs? Can they be mixed between rooms?

Here is a link that might be useful: Estate rod

Val, your drapes are beautiful.

Calico Corners is very professional - I am sure they will work with your on a resolution for the rod. I know those wood traverse rods are $$. My mom has one in storage right now, I am trying to figure out where I can use it!!

Here is an old pic of my DR drapes. 10 ft. ceilings - drapes finished out at 108" or 9'. I don't know if this is right or not....but it is what my drapery guy did?? I like it b/c it gives the crown some breathing room.

Smiles:)

Here's the Karastan website. This is the Agra Ivory. Can also find coordinating rugs for other rooms. It has the ivory of your sofa, the blue, the terracota and the gold. :)
Don't know if that is the one jjam had in mind? Pretty rugs and they just had a 15% off sale in January.

Here is a link that might be useful: Karastan

Yes, that's the rug I was thinking of. Their rugs can be pricey but they hold their value very well. Peerless has great prices and will let you try them out and return them. I guess I need to learn how to post a link into a message....

I've spent 10 minutes looking at everything on this thread and now I have to take off, so no time to really comment. But I love the rod, the drapes, the chairs, the colors......everything. I do think I agree with lowering the rod to about halfway between crown and window molding. That is, unless it looks better in person, as is sometimes the case. And I echo your comment Val, about how it all looks from the foyer. That's so hard to discern when looking at photos on the net. IRL can be much different in feel.
I liked the piano in the out of the way spot--that way--you can enjoy it in this formal room when you wish, but it's not in the direct line-of-sight.
Do you have a HomeGoods nearby? Check them out for reasonably priced large rugs.
And I do like your idea about a glass coffee table to offset all the antiques and wood.
I vote for oval mirror over entry table and black for the t.v. swivel.
I'll have to wait to post anything else, but everything you are working with is beautiful on it's own and the room will be beautiful without a doubt!

Red

jonatemp: As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Of course, your ceilings are higher than mine, but I do like the look of the gap and that is what we had agreed on so I am confident they will fix it.

To everyone who is posting rug suggestions, thank you. I'm making notes of all of it. Love the Karastan one and the colors are beautiful. I also like the needlepoint ones as well--so many beautiful choices! I do have a catalog from Peerless. I guess the idea would be to order a small size, check the colors and then return for a larger size? Just my luck I missed the Karastan rug sale....

red: Thank you for the feedback. It really helps! A glass coffee table is on my list. I've started checking Craiglist but nothing has jumped out at me so far. Also an oval mirror for the foyer and I think I'll put the other one in my master bedroom. I'm just waiting for the new black swivel stand for the TV so I can figure out a good height to mount it. I think we have a Home Goods in San Jose. I'll have to check them out as well for rugs. As beautiful as some of these rugs are, even the larger sizes at Costco were several thousand dollars--which realistically is more than we should spend on a rug. Given the limitations of my color scheme and size this is one purchase I don't think I can scrounge around Craigslist for a deal.

OK, I am off now to work on some of those floorplan suggestions.... Keep 'em coming!

I think you are trying to fit too much into one room. All of your pieces are beautiful. I tried reading all the posts but did skip over some, so I am sorry if someone already mentioned this. How about eliminating the sofa, can you use it else where, like in the family room. Maybe the family room sofa is not in as good of condition and the living room sofa can replace it??? I think the room would be beautiful as a music room....focusing on the piano, keeping the chairs and the table between them. A rug is going to help anchor everything into place. Did you try angling the sofa or angling the piano by the fireplace?

I tried some other arrangements suggested above and have some results--at least what works and what does not.

ottomans together don't work as they are different heights plus too bulky to put in the center.

angling piano with sofa in front: I could not get this to work without the piano bench butting up to the sofa. This angle just clears the switches.

Here are a couple of shots of squirrel's mockup switched to the opposite wall. It feels like the chair/table are floating right now--perhaps because I don't have the rug yet or ??

View from foyer:

In-room view:

Les' Version:

View from foyer:

In-room View:

I did move a floor lamp into this room and would like some feedback if it goes with this furniture or not. I used to keep it here before next to the piano and then more recently move it to my bedroom. I'm fine with it either place as I will need to buy a new lamp for one place or the other.

Given my room and furniture constraints I am not expecting an ideal solution--that would probably require a bigger room. In Northern CA where I live, many homes are smallish and cost a lot compared to other parts of the country--people are not used to seeing huge rooms. In fact, many of my friends don't even have an entry and the front door enters directly in the living room so I feel I am lucky to have as much space as I do. As long as there is adequate clearance and a grouping of comfortable seating for entertaining it is fine with me. While I would not have chosen to purchase the two ottomans they came with the chairs and I would never think of separating them--realistically I do not have a place to store them, but am also OK with them tucked against a wall with a pretty pillow or throw on it. Above all else, I want this room to be a place where my friends and family will feel welcome and comfortable when they come to visit and not all feel like they want to hang out in my kitchen/family room all the time.

Here are the other two rugs. Just glancing through the new post. Of course I like my arrangement! lol. I like the wood with the chairs, and the piano looks to be very pretty. I think maybe the sofa needs to be pulled a bit more back more towards the window (can't really see though) and the chairs pulled back a bit also -- more into the corners. Plant and chair back more into the corner and also try the round table with them. The other chair pulled back and out more, cocked a bit more towards the piano : ) In the one pic it looks like there's a lot of space behind it. It feels too tight in the seating. I believe 8' is a good conversational distance. I seem to remember 8' to a 12' max. A couple of comfy, cushy pillows on the chairs. Looks verrry inviting and comfortable to be in.

I think your room is deceivingly small compared to the pics.

Love the two new rugs with more red in them. I esp love the needlepoint, personally, and it repeats the nice European lean -- just enough for the chairs I think, and really sets that tone or mood. Also like it's more open feel and the central motif and 'oval' center. Although I suspect this particular one has a real red irl. The other rug feels more American/Traditional, like the sofa :)

The rod lowered. Maybe you can check to see if the weight of the fabric is bowing the rod.

Thought that was your new coffee table!

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You might have tried this before, but why not have the sofa facing the fireplace, with the two chairs flanking the fireplace, facing the sofa. Then put the piano on the blank wall. Maybe a round coffee table, glass top, could go in the middle. If the sofa is backed away from the fireplace a good bit, you would still have a nice view of the yet to be purchased rug. Or, you could use a smaller rug, maybe a 6x9, that would fit in the center and would cost less. Sometimes smaller rugs can be more versatile in the long run and could work in a bedroom later, etc. I think you will have a lovely room regardless of what you decide.

Did you try angling the paino on the wall next to the fireplace?

From what I can see, I think the sofa seems too pulled up towards the fp, too. Maybe pulling it back would open up the view enough. I really don't like to sit quite that close! lol.

Does your fp generate much heat? I'm wondering if even on that right wall if it's too close to a heat source. I do like it in there though, as pianos are very homey and so, so nice when someone is around that plays!

I might be repeating a suggestion but I don't have too much time to read through all the posts. I would put the couch under the window (all the way against the wall), the piano on the opposite wall and the two chairs/table directly across from the fp. The chairs are light so it won't make you feel blocked in looking into the room.
My mother has a similar arrangement and it looks very nice. I like the wall color as long as it complements the chairs and the new rug.

Here's trying things more spread out. Try the plant in the left corner, to try to frame the fp.

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Great job with the rugs! They both fit nicely. Love that bit of persimmon/terracota repeated around the room. The photos are a bit deceptive about the size of the room. I would place the sofa on the window wall as well. Piano on the opposite wall. Chairs either flanking the fireplace or as suggested with their backs to the entrance and the round table in between with a lamp. (I just realized, unless you have a floor outlet, the lamp idea might not work.)If not then the table could be to the right of a chair (with a lamp) if you keep them flanking the FP. The palm, I would also place where it can be seen as you enter the room. How's you back doing with all this moving of furniture? ;)

Trying to find the info online -- looks like 8' is the comfortable distance for conversational seating. 8'-12' is personal space for social conversation, generally. We were also told to provide seating for 8-12 in a lr.

I like picture #3 from today's 14:02 post, but would like to see the smaller chair placed at a right angle to the sofa. I really think breaking up the chairs may work for you. I'm not sure tho what to do with the round table between the chairs in that pic. I didn't realize you have 2 round tables.

Maybe this corner tuck would work :) Is this what Bac had in mind? I definitely prefer the chairs in a more relaxed offset, one way or another.

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I like that last one, with one chair at a right angle to the sofa. Can the table be placed between that chair and the sofa? With a lamp? The chair would have to be moved back a teensy bit I think. I also like the way one ottoman is placed in front of the other chair in the corner. Don't forget the throw!

WoW! You have a beautiful home, love the accent wall color, and the WT, plus I also liked the second rug, LOL. Your furniture pieces are lovely.

Having said all that, and seeing that you have been given lots of advice (didn't read all of it), all I really wanted to add, and please don't shoot me, but the end tables seem like they're too tall for the sofa and chairs.

all I really wanted to add, and please don't shoot me, but the end tables seem like they're too tall for the sofa and chairs.

Hmmmm, I think that's where we start hacking the legs and feet off!

(Actually, it's French-y! so I'm not sure I'd worry about it :)

I am really very impressed with the creativity on this board. Who would've thought there were so many different ways to arrange this room? The Ethan Allan designer I worked with briefly came up with the sofa opposite fireplace flanked by two chairs; but honestly, I find some of these balanced, but not symmetrical, arrangements much more appealing!

squirrel: You've gone to an amazing amount of work on my behalf and I don't want to waste your time. I really don't see putting the piano in front of the window. I did come up with a variation of Les' suggestion which I'm considering along with the variation of yours I had posted. I think both are very appealing and I can imagine myself alternating between the two from time to time--just to impress my friends with "my" creativity! :)

I had also played around with moving the chairs further back and putting the ottoman in front of one of the chairs. It looks great and probably would be great for a reading retreat, but it it feels isolated from the conversational grouping.

Right now I've arranged it around Les' Variation. One advantage is the two chairs are closer together as a conversational group--I just did not like seeing the backside of the chair. We are having some friends over tonight so will be a good test to see how it feels--if I can keep 'em out of the family room/kitchen!

View from Foyer:

I added a few accessories from around the house--the throw is actually from my family room--it's more to get a feel for the look than the actual pattern. I like the idea of the fringe softening up the legginess. I'm also wondering if I should get some fabric and make a floor length tablecloth for one of the drum tables--to also break up the leg/wood look. The lamp is from my dining room, but I wanted to show what it would look like with one there. ANother option would be to put a narrow console table behind the sofa and a lamp on one end. Or perhaps two lamps for each location.

I would also like some feedback on the floor lamp. Should I use this one or get another? It's very practical for someone playing the piano with the small side lamps which can be focused on the sheet music while general room light can be dimmed.

I also marked up the floor with blue tape where an 9x12 rug would go. As the room is 14x17 that size leaves 30" all around. I'm considering that size or possibly an 8x10. I like both rugs, though honestly, it's going to come down to what we can afford as I'll also need another rug for the dining room.

squirrel: That second one you posted also has potential with the drum table between--except for the issue with the drapery access. Guess I should've put it on the far side.... Go figure! (And don't go telling me to change out the rod, LOL) If I make any more costly decorating blunders DH will shoot me!

Oh, I was just showing the additional rugs up there, without re-doing the room again :) I'm done !

The sofa looks nice in front of the window (although I don't care for the other side of the room :( The angles of the furniture don't look right. Have you tried angling the piano into the corner? The chair set looks like it needs to swing down and around to the left a bit, to me, but I guess that's what you didn't like -- seeing the back of the chair.

Maybe this is why they say square rooms are difficult to decorate!

The main reason I suggested HomeGoods, is that they can sometimes have a fairly nice selection of area rugs and the prices are MUCH better than even Costco. My 9'x11' was $600. You may have to haunt the store a bit to find what you want. Stuff comes in several times a week and Flies out the door at breakneck speeds.

I bought a chair once that came with an ottoman. I was so tickled to get the ottoman too. But never found a good place for it. Same thing happened with my rattan sofa. I went to the lady's house to look at it and then she told me that the end tables and coffee table went with it. I didn't want or have room for tables at all--but of course, I took them. We made it all work for a year, but when I moved the sofa from what was the LR into the family room, I sold the rattan/glass coffee table and just kept the end tables.

Did I tell you how lovely those drapes turned out to be?

Red

Here is a link that might be useful: Home Goods for you, Val!

Looking good. Can you try a few tweaks:
1. Move the plant into the far right corner.
2. Move the lamp to the other side of the piano closer to the fp. You may need to nudge the piano out of the corner. Or angle the piano slightly in the corner and place the lamp to the right side.
3. Place the chairs parallel to eachother, but angled toward the seating group with the ottomans in front of each chair. Use the angle that "his" chair is currently on but move the whole seating group to the right just a little.
4. Put the throw on the piano bench.

Maybe your guests will be able to help you too.

Form follows function, keep the floor lamp. Besides, I really like it! :)

Honestly, get a rug, not the best rug on the planet, but one you can afford. For Right Now. It will make a huge difference in this room.

I bought a "compromise" rug at Kohl's, smaller than I would've liked (but as someone said, I could use it in a BR), in a color combo that blended with my walls and furniture. It isn't going to be an heirloom, but I also won't go into cardiac arrest if someone spills or the cat yaks on it.

For those of you who are still following this thread, here is another version (some combo of Les and squirrel--those gals are amazing)!

I'm kinda curious if anyone will sit in the bergere chair off in the corner--or sit on the ottoman to be closer to the group. That has been my hesitation with pairing the two--perhaps I just lack imagination.

That's exactly what I had in mind and tried to describe the other day. I really like it. The only thing I didn't suggest was the round table near the chair located by the FP. I think it works there. The only thing I would do is pull the chair near the FP out from the corner. It looks like you have room behind the chair near the sofa to get to the drapery pull. I know that was one of your concerns.

Regarding the size of the rug, I think you may want to consider an 8X10 for a couple of reasons. An 8X10 will be much easier to use in other rooms in the future and the 9X12 may be a problem with the piano and bench in the room.

I don't like the layout in the last set of photos. I do like, however, the first pic in the set of photos just before this last set of photos. I would like to see the same layout as indicated there, but with the piano angled between the fireplace and the wall against which it now stands flush. And then put the plant in the corner on the other side of the fireplace.

Love the drapes, love the furniture--love everything. This room, when finished, will be both elegant and comfortable--not an easy feat to pull off, imo. :)

Ok, how about this? Take the View from Foyer shot in your 16:17 post from today and switch the chairs and the piano. Have the piano angled slightly in the corner to your left as you enter the room and the chairs closer to the FP. I think the FP is just screaming for a chair to be located close to it. :) I also like the idea of placing the palm in the corner to the left of the FP.

bac: I'm confused... not to mention tired moving that piano back and forth! Do you want the piano on the right or left side of the wall? If you mean basically a furniture swap of the 16:17, I did try that one just before I tried squirrel's arrangement. It also looked pretty good--but didn't take any pics, though. Will try later. Oh, and, thanks. I didn't mean to leave you out of the layout brainstorming loop. I think this is really a collective effort.

I'm trying to coalesce everyone's ideas. It seems that people like the idea of the piano set at a slight angle...either to the left or the right with either 1-2 chairs and the palm balancing it out of the opposite end? Putting the piano at an angle is a big jump for me, but it is growing. I'll see if DH (and my guests) likes it or not. If I angle it can I still put a painting or mirror behind it?

I would like to see the piano angled down in that corner, because I think it would visually help the weight on that side of the room compared to the couch, ottoman and window on the other side.

If you leave the piano down there, put the lamp to the left end next to the wall. It will fill some of the empty wall space down there, and won't look crowded behind the chair. Move the plant to the corner. I would also think about having a tufted bench cushion made for the piano, perhaps in the drapery fabric or the paisley, or whatever you use for the DR chairs. It will break up the solid wood/all brown feel.

I would take the ottoman that is down on the fireplace wall and move it to the short wall behind the chairs. It kind of looks like it just got stuck there to get it out of the way. Have the ottoman behind the chairs be the smaller of the two, the larger one on the left side of the window. I would take the throw and pillows off the ottomans, too. They will look prettier and not like you are trying to make them into benches. Once you hang art above them on the wall on each side, the simplicity of the ottomans below will be nice, and keep the focus on the center seating area.

Could you try one of the back cushions from the chairs on the couch, behind the paisley pillow in place of the red one? I am curious to see how some green there would look.

The couch and chairs need to move in toward one another a bit. Think in terms of the front edge of the couch cushions being in line with the outside edge of the mantel.

Seeing the 9x12 rug taped off, I think it is too large. I would do the 8x10. You are trying to create a seating grouping, not cover the whole area. It will leave more open floor space around the room, which will make the room feel bigger, and make the pieces sitting on the edges not look oddly placed in relation to the edges of the rug.

Making a table cover for the table by the chairs is a great idea to break up some of the legs and all the wood over there. Perhaps a solid full-length cover in the background color of the drapery, with a heavy corded self-welting around the bottom, with a topper in the paisley fabric, banded in the red of the drapery.

I like the arrangement in the very first picture you posted.
Here's what I would change:
(1) I'd put in bookcases on either side of the fireplace. I think that's what is missing.
(2) I'd move one ottoman out of the room.
(3) If money is no object (ha, ha- it sure is in my house!) I'd change the curtains to tie in the color of your accent wall. If money is an issue, then I'd just add a few more pillows that have the colors of the curtain and accent wall.
(4) I'd get an OK rug (look on craigslist! I got a lovely wool 6 X 9 for $60). If it isn't your favorite, get smaller rugs that you LOVE. I love vintage needlepoint rugs but can't afford a big one, so instead I got a small one for in front of my (electric) fireplace for less than $30 from e-bay.
(5) Your room looks so serene. I would NOT use a patterned rug for your main rug. I think some kind of natural fiber would look beautiful.
(6) RE: a dining room rug . . .my friend worked with a designer who told her to just use a RUNNER under the table. Interesting . . .I don't know how it looked, but it sure is a way to save money as well as time on cleaning. Very practical!

Les: I have way too many revisions and am not quite sure which one you are referring to: the one with 2 chairs together or the one with a single chair and ottoman. If it's the 2 chairs, do you prefer the piano on the left side (towards fireplace) or right (towards wall). I'd like to keep the floor lamp near the piano or I will need to get some other lighting for the piano. It's too bright to have the recessed lights on full and I prefer to dim for mood lighting and have a reading light for the piano. Thanks for the feedback on the throw. My 14-year-old DS told me flat out it looked stupid and my DH keep moving the cushions out of the way--guess the red ones are too big for the chairs.

We did have our friends over this evening and for a group of 5 adults, it did seem awkward for the person sitting all alone on the chair with the ottoman in front. I also need either a console table behind the sofa or a very narrow table for the other side of the sofa for the person to put his drink. I sat on the piano chair and worked fine.

You must be exhausted from all this moving stuff around. I was referencing the pix of 16:17, with the two chairs together on the entry end and the piano toward the fireplace end. That eliminates the lone soul sitting in the chair on the side opposite all the rest of the seating.

I think the floor lamp is fine by the piano, it just needs to be on the left side down by the fireplace end wall, rather than on the right side of the piano behind the chairs. It will also brighten that end of the room that way, making for a warmer feel around the perimeter of the space.

I don't care for overhead lighting at all, except for doing things like cleaning the space, so I agree that more lamps for ambient lighting are a great addition. The floor lamp to the left of the piano, an uplight behind the plant in the corner. A lamp on the end table by the couch for now, but down the road I would also like to see a console table behind it with one lamp at the left end, opposite the side where the end table and lamp are on the fireplace end of the couch.

I like the last 17:48 arrangement very much except for the straight-on back of the chair near the sofa. It looks nice from within the room, but not from the foyer. Before you move everything again, though, how about just angling it a bit to the right and pulling it to the left just a tad if possible, so as to not interrupt quite as much of the fp view.

As far as the fp set, I'd pull it away from the corner a bit more and a tad more towards the fp -- and I love the palm behind it, which would help fill the space. Like in my virtual -- it's out into the room but still looks nice as the space behind the chair is filled and it's backdropped with a darker value (very connected).

(For a lot of company, I'd think one would take the ottoman and pull it out a bit and another would take the chair (vs just using the chair)).

If the sofa chair still doesn't look right, I'd put the piano in the middle of the wall and put the other chair somewhere to the right of the piano, out enough for conversation and offset to the other.

Personally, I don't like the piano there in the 16:17 shot, at all. It looks awkward and pulls the eye away from the fp as it looks like it's just being stored over there :) Not good. It sounds like it's played and is a part of the family. It's also very pretty. I'd make it more important rather than looking like you wish you didn't have the darn thing. I wouldn't enjoy playing in a spot like that so much either, so-to-speak.

Love the throw! A small rectangular pillow should work well on the chair. Or, I'd think a squishy down-filled one.

I think I will pass on houses with square rooms for my next house!

ok, I've shifted the chairs a bit as I was trying to describe and pulled the sofa back more towards the window (instead of trying to pull it in to center all the seating around the fp). Hoping the ottoman can still fit, as it looks great.

Anyway, forget about perfect accessories -- I'm just tryin' to get something out there :) I think it looks fabu!

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btw, this was the 14:02 pic, and both chairs are also moved and still are a bit offset.

The above picture is the best senario....if you want to keep all those pieces in the room. It really looks nicely put together, with all the accessories and pictures....way to go squirrelheaven! Just need to finish the crown molding. What do you think about extending molding from the fireplace up the wall to the ceiling. Its actually easy to do, they continue molding up the wall, add thicker crown at the top, so it juts out, and paint the middle white like the rest of the fireplace trim. It would make the fireplace pop. Can you put a rug in there too:) Then the picture is complete!

I told myself I would stay out of this one, since it seems I'm on the same wavelength as the person from Ethan Allen, but I checked in this morning and couldn't resist a thought . I am not surprised at the discovery that when having another couple over, it's awkward for one person to be separated from the conversation area. When we get stuck it's often good to ask ourselves what it is we are trying to achieve. If it is a room that will be used primarily for practicing piano, or for one or two people to use to read, rest, or in general, have a quiet place, then any number of the arrangements you have will be fine . Quite often, living rooms are used primarily for just those things. If, in addition to any of the above, you would like to incorporate a comfortable area to relax and visit with friends, I would really try to have that wonderful couch and beautiful chairs facing each other, somehow. Over time, you and your guests and family members will love that feature of the room; comfort, relaxed style, and a great place to visit and laugh together. Let the function of the room be the guide, and your great eye for color and scale will make the room sing. Best of Luck, and enjoy that beautiful space.

ok, here's showing the accent in WT as you were thinking a bit earlier. The green wall is hard to change for some reason, so you have to squint and imagine a bit as it comes out quite yellow. Then, well ....

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Ha! Looking back over all the pics. It looks like this is back to square one. Although, I've done a relaxed fit by pulling the entrance chair/table out and around more and offset. The fp chair is also more forward. I think that looks like a good conversational distance, myself. Looking at some of the other arrangements, I'd be wanting to bolt and feel clostrophic just looking at the pics. Truly. Everyone doesn't like to sit that close :) Loveseats are a good example -- most people don't like to sit that close, so its usually just seating for one.

Squirrel, those look great! Beautiful job, as usual.

The last pix from Squirrel are great, as always, but they are back to one of the first arrangements. The reason I don't think that worked then or works now is there isn't as much depth as it appears, so the piano is almost in between the two chairs like a table, not set that far behind them. Look back at some of the original pix and you will see what I mean.

Real depth, not a virtually contructed room. All I did was clip the chairs out of the real room photo and move them. And moved the sofa back which frees up a good bit of depth in the room -- instead of pulling it forward to try to center the seating around the fp opening.

Here's the plan and I just posted a front view, moving the chairs again.

It's actually much what she said was working for her at the outset. Hopefully she's fiddling in there again :) (No errands today, Val!)

The only problem I see is no service for the fp chair, unless someone isn't using the piano bench :) Maybe one of those tiny square 12" tea tables. Or, if the ottoman works there, a tray (but I see that spilling).

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I always thought the original looked balanced and symmetrical as opposed to the others that make the piano looked like it's jammed into a corner. Once everything is together and tweaked it may work out as the best solution.

Deconstructed! The circled chairs are the moved ones.

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jjam: You make some excellent points about how this room will be used so I will explain. We are a family of 5--with three kids. We just completed a remodel of our home which included swapping the kitchen and family room resulting in more of a great room with a large kitchen central to both family and dining. This is where we spend the bulk of our time to relax and gather as a family and DH is in the process of putting together a home theater system. I am now reclaiming the living room as a place for civilized (i.e. adult) entertaining. I want it to be both a place that gives me joy when I walk by it daily and a place where I can gather in the company of friends to entertain (with the kids for the most part in the family room). I would like it if my daughters started playing piano again more (and the younger one may start lessons), but I wouldn't call it a music room. I'd like seating so that everyone can see everyone else. I like the two chairs together because sometimes people do have side conversations and that provides a more intimate grouping. As a hostess I can see myself taking the piano seat near the entrance so I can pop back-and-forth to the kitchen. I also like it relatively open near the entrance both as it feels more inviting and I can easily move the arm chairs from the dining room to this room for overflow seating and/or move the ottomans to provide extra seating. The cushion of one of the ottomans is not firm so you kind of sink into it--so either I would tuck that one out of the way (or even remove it from the room).

squirrel: You are amazing, what can I say? You really seem to know me and my taste. You are a very perceptive person. This board is truly blessed to have members like you. You know that coffee table you posted is very much like the ones I have been eyeing for months and I realized last night the coffee table would also be the drink table. I had been leaning towards a glass/metal coffee table of late. I can see how adding the coffee table in front of the sofa helps offset the fact that the sofa and chairs are not centered in front of the fireplace. More food for thought. I can't do any tweaking today as the trim guy is working on the crown. My neighbor is doing it for us on a part time basis and it's dragging on. I just did not want any more strangers in my house after the past year on contractors in and out at odd times.

les: I am still debating between these two as I do like the coziness of the two chairs together and makes the tall drum table feel less weighty. I will stay though the new overhead lights are much better with the dimmers to provide more ambient lighting and it distributes it more uniformly throughout the whole room. I see the lamps more for looks than anything else and will probably put only low wattage bulbs in them as I did my dining room buffet lamps.

Sunday or Monday, I'll try to post some new pics to narrow it down--though I think I will just leave one arrangement for a few days to see how it feels.

No comment on the accent wall?! I loove it darker, lol. I may even vote for the black green! I think it gives the room more depth and really makes your fabric sing :))

Here's one of those 12" 'tea' tables I was talking about. I like this pie-crust edge one better than the one I was thinking about (which is square with a boxed-in tracery edge around the sides, maybe you've seen them). This looks lovely sitting somewhat in front of the fp if it can be maneuvered in.

I wish to buy your living room. !

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Here is a link that might be useful: 12 inch side table

Hard to see the link to the table below the pic.

I was wondering about the sofa on a diagonal a while back and just saw this.

Here is a link that might be useful: Room Arrangement

Squirrel: So do I! There is still a long way to go to get there... rug, coffee table, artworks, lamps, etc. At least I have more of a sense of where I want to head with this room. Thank you! I did just spy this little table on CL like the one you pictured--though it's a bit of a drive, the price is right. If it's there Monday, I may consider it.

Here is a link that might be useful: Small side table

Wow, that's a great one! Does look pretty small. Might be a 15". What a price, too! Missed this last round of pics, though, lol. Here's a light rug! Adjusted the wall color, too, as I think it's probably not as yellow as the photo shows. From the Karastan site.

To me, from here, having the chair and table curved slightly around to the opening says 'come gather round' rather than not being welcoming :)

You have made amazing and swift progress!!

(Sorry I didn't see the fire screen in the photo -- your lovely one is back!)

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squirrel: I'm itching to get this arranged IRL and see if it looks as well as in your mockups; unfortunately, the trim is going SLOWLY.... Anyway, a few questions, if I were to go with this off center placement from the fireplace should I go for the larger rug (9x12 vs the 8x10)? I checked the Karastan website and they recommend framing it in around 12-18" all around. The 9x12 would yield an equal sized border of 30" which I prefer showing more hardwood but want the rug large enough to at least anchor the front legs on all my furniture (minus the piano). I was targeting something around 6x9 for my dining room. I'm leaning towards some of the bolder designs. I like your second to the last one better as I feel I have enough neutral already in the room. I also like the ones pictured in the 14:30 version. Is the first one an Aubousson? I do have expensive taste so would not be surprised. If I were to go that route it has the center design and if centered in the room, the center motif would go in the center; but then the way you've placed the coffee table, etc. would it look odd? Perhaps I should stick to these other styles you have with a border design and larger rectangular pattern.

How lucky the angle on kmcg's great rug places nicely in there! to get a feel for the center motif. Haven't looked at the floor plan yet on size, but the colors and a central oval design look simply splendid, imo. I like the other style, but was on the hunt for something more open and really do like something like that in there.

Did you look at jejvtr's link? Some great rugs on there similar in style, too.

Now to look for that door jam in some of the pics above, lol.

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Here's the entrance included with another photo that lined up very nicely with the fp/room. I had to move the chair/table back just a tad in the virtual. I think it looks great. If having the furniture out into the room a bit by the door bothers you and it can't be adjusted inwards well, maybe a plant to soften the corner and connect?

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The plan view is photographed on an angle, but here's an approx 6x9 and 8x10, shown flipped both ways. Odd how the 6x9 appears so much more square when flipped horizontally. Same darn rug!

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Actually, Val, if you look at the plan view, the table/chair is pulled into the room more than in the virtual -- which is more what you want anyway for conversation. So just keep tweaking the angles and positioning as you walk around and assess :)

It's allllwayyyys meeeee (like the song melody, ooooonly youuuuu). Am I the only one losing sleep over this, lol?

Trying to give you hope :)

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Pulling them away from the door still a bit more :) Seems like the placement just above.

Wondering how the drum table height worked with your chairs and beverages. ???

btw, your little table is in there now :)

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Val, your drapes and furniture are just beautiful. I like the latest layouts the best--with the couch against the window wall and the piano opposite.

I must say, though, that I love squirrel's idea of painting the accent wall a much deeper color. It makes the fireplace really pop. I think the softer shade sets up a bit of competition with other focal areas. The piano blends into the other wall a bit more more when the fireplace wall really becomes the stronger focus.

I love the palm in the corner, but will be honest and say that I don't care for the stained glass floor lamp in the room. I don't think it works stylewise. It also draws the eye to that wall. I would rather see a more traditional hinged lamp on the piano itself that could be adjusted to read sheet music.

When you're done this is going to be one gorgeous, comfortable and welcoming room!

Someone's here! llol.

Val, also wondering if you've shown dh any of the accent wall shots, as he was wanting more contrast.

Just wanted to chime in. I haven't read all the posts, but I like the darker accent wall. I think that its drama fits better into what is a fairly formal room, with dark wood, etc. The lighter green is more airy, which is pretty, but to my eye doesn't fit your furniture that well.

Here they are again, love those flowers up there with it! I think it's just stunningly beautiful. I really like the darkest one, too, almost bordering on an emerald but still with blue in it. (I made this one just a tad lighter that previously, as the deepest probably would be too daring :)

Gives the room depth, too.

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Hey squirrel, just wanted to let you know you are not alone.:) I have been watching this thread all week and really enjoying it. I love this room and wish I could move in also! It is going to look great when its finished. I wish I had as many options with furniture arrangements as this.

lol, I never know! Glad you're enjoying it :) I am in love, lol.

No, no - you aren't the only one! I am watching you guys figure out this room. I can't contribute bc I am not very good at arranging nor seeing the big picture so this is fascinating to me.

I do love all the furniture and the colors are fantastic!
My favorite peice is the hall/sofa table - WOW.

Keep up the good work!!

Hi V. (and squirrel). Just came across this thread and wanted to say I love the wall colour.

IMO, you need the couch in front of the window. I like the piano best behind the two chairs. Sorry I didn't read all posts above just looked at the pictures - so apologies if you've decided to do it a different way. The rug really brings it all together.

My dd1 is in her 2nd yr of piano and so far we just have a keyboard, but I am dreading having to fit a real piano in here. You've given me hope.

squrriel you are SUCH an asset to this forum! thank you so much for all the work you put in!

btw, i vote for the darker accent wall also. goes better with the color of the chairs.

Val - do you have a rug store near you that you could take your fabric samples/wall color to show them? It is difficult to buy a rug online when you can't see them up close and check the coloring. I think the rug is going to be very important in tying this room together.

:))

Here are the links to jejvtr's rugs. Such a great rug store.

Hi Everyone:

Last night after the trim guy left I went ahead and rearranged things like squirrel's mockup. I think she is right on with moving the couch back and not using a console table back there. I couldn't quite get the piano wall to look like it does from her angle--there was a big gap in the right corner (sorry did not take pics) so I tried flipping one of Les' earlier suggestions, but keeping the ottoman in front of the chair, though noticed squirrel took it out. Then, I turned on the fireplace and actually sat in the bergere chair and put my feet up on the ottoman and enjoyed the ambiance.

View from Foyer:

It is coming together more than I ever dreamed it would; thanks to the combined talents on this board and squirrel's amazing ability to help us all to visualize in 3D. I hope I can get the actual room to look half as good. I did purchase some candles and stands for the piano at Kohl's plus found an old turquoise book I put there for some added color.

Unfortuntely real life does not work as fast--the trim guy (our neighbor) is taking forever and I'm less than thrilled with the quality of his work. He has done carpentry as a side business for years and has all the equipment so I thought it would be a simple job, but turns out his job looks amateurish; but DH does not want to sack him so we are hoping end result with be OK with caulk/sand/touchup. Then I am still debating what to do with the rod/drapes. Our ceilings are only 8' high and I'm worried it'll look too squatty if I bring it down--plus with the less than stellar job of the crown, perhaps I should just have the drape guy come back and level out the rods.

Monday, I'll start looking at rugs locally. It helps a lot to get a feel for what works in the space and some suggetions about style for this room.

As for painting the accent wall a darker shade of green, it does look nice; though I will wait until I choose a painting for the mantle and the rug. Squirrel works much faster than I do. Expect to hear more from me with loads more questions; but lucky me to have a picture of my "inspiration" room to guide me.

On the kitchen forum they have an acronym--some of you probably know it--TKO (Totally Kitchen Obsessed). Somewhere along the line, I think I've become TDO (Totally Decorating Obsessed)!

Ugh, I'd fill the gap with the lamp and such but maybe it's not quite what you want. Post some pics if you'd like and give us a go at it!!

Funny, I was daydreaming about flipping that seating group also. The room looks huge now, lol. You can dance! I think it needs to relax a bit. I'd pull the sofa forward more and tilt the chairs towards each other a bit as the angles don't feel right.

It's possible, with the ceilings being uneven, that you're just seeing things in the rough still, as filling would be necessary. How are the seams joining? Are the long runs laying flat together and cut on an angle?

I can't add much to this thread any longer....it's over my head - those of you who are involved are doing a great job & service. Squirrel you are tireless and invaluable - I have an exterior paint job on my home coming up - I think I def need your help!

Squirrel can you ps - rug 1,7,8,9 into vals room - I think from my perspective having a rug anchor may help the rest fall into place.

Val - just one little aside the plant needs a heftier planter

Great work all and good luck val we are all following

WOW! I was having so much fun with this Friday afternoon and haven't ben able to come back and see what was going on! A lot apparently! Everything is coming along quite well. That needlepoint looks fantastic in there! Actually, I like all thye rugs and would have a hard time making choices, but totally agree about the importance of seeing them IRL. This at least gives you a good idea of what the room can look like! Way to go squirrel! I really like the couch back toward the window. It opens the room up! I think the room is a good size for entertaining and conversation withouit having to pull all the funiture to the middle of the room. In a larger room, yes, but I don't think it works well in this room. Love the darker accent wall especially the dark green blue. It looks almost hunter with blue. I know it is a custom mixed squirrelheaven color but it looks gorgeous! I'll throw a monkey wrench in as another option for a rug and I think someone else already mentioned it: A seagrass rug! It totally relaxes a more formal room. Doesn't let it take itself too seriously :) Here are a few looks using natural seagraa or sisal. All of the below rooms all have one thing in common...a seagrass rug!

I like this arrangement a lot, but am with squirrel and would try moving the sofa away from window just a little bit more. I especially like the bergere chairs closer to the FP. Now I have a few thoughts about lighting. If you use a table lamp on the round table between the bergere chairs, I'm not sure the floor lamp near the piano will work. You may be able to use a small accent lamp on the piano instead, in the right hand corner. The floor lamp could possibly be used on the right hand side of the sofa.

lol, you're all funny -- jevjtr and HoyaMom... I'll try to catch your threads.

Val, as far as blank spaces and such, I really do think it's all about the accessories (and color). Arranging things asymmetrically is a trial and error sort of thing, so you just have to keep working things. But! those blank and odd areas add depth and interest to your space, though they may look odd when still incomplete.

Tossing a few more coins on the pile :) Playing with the spaces in varied ways. That's a beautiful little inlaid music box on the piano :)

(I notice some really pretty corner table arrangements in kmcg's pics!)

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I just love some of those pics, kmcg! Do you think we get more lives???

Val, I was thinking the same thing about lowering the drapes on that wide window -- whether you'll get a squashed effect. Definitely something to think more about.

You might also have a basket or magazine rack of music behind that chair! :) if the palm were at the fp wall.

(When I worked on the piano wall, it looked much better with a white mat -- but didn't check it out overall, as you just have to keep twiddling at the big picture till the puzzle pieces fall together :) That's what makes it fun!

Good morning! Yeah, had to throw in the monkey wrench like valinsv doesn't have enough to think about already! Seagrass is VERY inexpensive and used quite often by several designer's. Anyway, also notice the table height in most of those pics too. Most seem the same height or a little higher than the chair arm. I think we tend to overthink a lot when it comes to doing our own rooms. Really meant for inspiration more than anything. Also saw a lot of rooms where the rod was hung right under the crown. Over and over. Personally, I think it looks fine that way. In the end tho it has to feel right for your home. Hope you are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for letting me play!

I've been meaning to post here but never get around to it. I love squirrel's arrangement. It's what I was going to suggest. ;)

The piano butted into a corner just looks odd to me.

It's going to be beautiful when you're done!

kcmg...love those rooms!

squirrel: I like the one with the red lampshade. I will keep these as my inspiration pictures as I continue to work on this room. You've helped immensely!

kmcg: Love all those pics you posted and they have given me lots of ideas.

bungalo_house: I think I need to get some more pieces to fill out the corners to make it work. Once the crown is done I can play around a bit more--as is, I move everything then the trim guy moves it all out of his way.

If anyone can find me the lyre/harp table that would make my day (and not on eBay as I'm not going to pay an arm-and-a-leg for shipping on something sight unseen after my chair fiasco). You've got me working back in that direction. I think I'm just going to start calling all the antique stores in the area.

BTW: anyone like this floor lamp (with a red shade) better?

Here is a link that might be useful: Craigslist floor lamp

Val, here's the info on the coffee table. It's on a Raleigh CL, so it's probably something someone posted on your old thread or maybe one you found. But here's a pic for your hunt. Maybe you can put out an ad to buy it from whoever bought it! or contact the po to contact them, lol.

Didn't come across any others like it on a quick google, but did find this other long narrow one which is quite nice. At first I thought there was some sort of detailing on the legs, but I think the squiggly look is just coming from the photo and the pieces are probably smooth.

I see you know how to save photos from the threads! Note that you can also save the whole darn thread also :) I think it's the 'print' option on a r-click -- choose 'To File' when you ask it to print.

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Yep, that's the one.... I've been spying them on eBay for past three months. In fact, I was drooling over a drop-leaf console table by Baker with a center lyre base, but the bidding went way up (around $1,000). After the chair fiasco, I want to stick locally; but most of the ones I find are on the east coast. I'll just keep looking.... Don't quite know why I have my heart set on this particular table, but I do. I was all set to switch over to the glass/metal one as these are all rectangular and I wasn't sure how it'd look when I centered the furniture in front on the FP; but you've shown it can be done so now I want it.

I just found this thread again while looking for something else. And I just wanted to say to Val, that I'm so glad that no one listened to me when I voted against an accent wall. This room looks so nice with the blue-green accent wall.

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